Does the US Dollar Exist?

Delving into monetary economics is maybe pointless (and, anyway, I would not be really capable of that) with respect to your claim, which seems to be ‘reality is intersubjective consensus’.
I guess consensus is necessarily inter-subjective, in the sense that one does not normally use the word unless one is referring to some opinion/belief/idea shared by a plurality. Yet maybe consensus is not the exact word you mean, because you lay its foundation in the human DNA.
Now that ‘reality’, whatever that is, has to have the quality of being intersubjective is somehow easily conceded. The questions becomes if, assuming that intersubjective means only ‘something shared by people’, that is all it takes for that something to become ‘real’.

If we consider consensus as a widespread opinion only, that may be very helpful, but it is not what makes something real. Actually consensus is not even what would define Lyon as the capital of France. In order to make Lyon the capital, the legislative bodies de la République would need not only to agree on that, but also to act. Although a general consensus may be a most sought and somehow necessary precondition, Paris would remain the capital as long as a certain number of laws (and possibly a change of the Constitution) are passed. And once the laws are there, then it’s no longer a matter of consensus - laws are binding regardless what one thinks of them, at least as long as the state has the legal monopoly of violence. (Powers and acts of a similar kind are also what is at the basis of the ‘objective trading’ of the US dollar, though money is a more complex matter).

So, leaving consensus aside, what remains is ‘intersubjectivity’ - and I guess that the OP can be rephrased as ‘reality is intersubjectivity and nothing else’. I guess that you have slowly drifted to to kantian stance, which is to say ‘what comes to my mind because of my DNA is real - I know nothing of the thing-in-itself’. If that is so, this amounts to swapping the word ‘objective’ with ‘intersubjective’. Regardless, what about what comes to your mind and it is not firmly rooted in the DNA? Is intersubjectivity possible at all then?
Let’s take General Relativity. Regardless how much perception is the fabric of a-priori structures or not, I guess that GR cannot be said to depend on human DNA. GR, or many of its tenets, can be qualified as intersubjective? What makes this theory something like ‘knowledge of the real’?
It can’t be said that the theory relies on discovery or experience, e.g. it redefines gravity, but not on the basis of a changed perception of gravity. Surely it is not intersubjective because it’s popular (in fact not many can master it), nor because people agree with it (in fact not many would understand what they would be agreeing with). Its ‘intersubjectivity’ lies in the fact that it presents a character of necessity, it appears inescapable, alternative theories prove wrong or are incapable to yield the same predictions. It is by this necessity that this theory is about ‘reality’ and it is intersubjective. But that used to be true also of Newton’s universal gravitation, before Einstein…
What does that mean, after all?
Well, in utmost honesty… I have only some ideas, I do not feel thoroughly sure about that.
Cutting some corners, it can be seen as a logical necessity - but only for a part of it. It’s not about the ‘facts’, it’s about the frame where ‘facts’ are placed (yet ‘facts’ have to be crafted carefully). My take is that one can predicate intersubjectivity of knowledge when it is possible to representi it through a logical relationship - possibly only one: (if(A) then (B)) iff (if not(B) then not(A)).
Note that I am not implying that logic is the form by which intersubjectivity emerges, instead this is ex-post work, this is ‘justification’ (borrowing from Kant). Also, the tautology above overshadows a semantic component that it is equally important: B needs to be a logical consequence of A, B may be true only when A is true. (Please note that it is well possible that A is a long chain of propositions joined by any kind of functor). That said, what I do imply is that one cannot have the absolute truth of a single generic A or B, one can have the truth (as long as it works…) of both of them - simul stabunt vel simul cadent.
So the question becomes how come would one know when A and B are true (or false)? This is when it gets really difficult… I refer to Henri Poincaré and K.R. Popper - those who are interested may turn to the Value of Science and to the Logic of Scientific Discovery. However, this is where experience may become necessary (experience is not necessarily required, as it would be pointless to refer to experience for a Geometry theorem). Yet experience alone is not sufficient, but at the same time experience has to allow to consider at least that B is true (or false), that it is more the case that B than the case that not(B) (or the other way round).
This is more easily said than done. Nevertheless, as Poincaré noted, rigour in mathematics in a virtuous circle with science, notably physics, managed to single out a very specific perpective (‘regional ontology’, if one likes that better) for looking at facts, so that ascertaining facts, viz. assigning a ‘true’ or ‘false’ value, becomes very possible. Clearly this applies to science only (while Poincaré speaks of moral truths equally ascertainable, but totally independent form Science’s). Popper (maybe) acknowledges that the approach is founded, but he presents a more open and articulated view (which I like better), so that the way to ascertain facts remains more mysterious (and ‘mysterious’ is a kind word allowing me to oversimplify).
Either way, what is intersubjective is what can be represented through that tautology: the truth of the antecedent depends on the consequent and yet the consequent owes its truth to the antecedent. Outside this conundrum, I guess it’s difficult to speak about intersubjectivity.

Well, I could do that, but it seems irrelevant considering;

Make measurement of ‘distance’ between two objects based on inter-subjectivity and implicit inter-subjective consensus.

Note, the standard ‘Foot’ and ‘Feet’ was based on the human foot and the standard was based on implicit consensus, i.e. inter-subjectivity. This is still used commonly in US and USA.
Meanwhile, the Europeans rely on the metric system and standards and this is based on consensus and intersubjectivity with reference to a standard distance,

There is no absolute independent measurement of distance (A) and there is no absolute distance as a referent (B).
What is objective distance is based on the convergence of A and B above based on intersubjective consensus (implicit and/or explicit), i.e. intersubjectivity.

It is completely relevant from the philosophical perspective to understand relative distance and the nearest one can get to the non-existent absolute distance.

When most people agree it is 100 miles from NYC to Philadelphia, there are two elements of intersubjectivity, i.e.

  1. Intersubjectivity and consensus of what is to be the official standard of the measurement, i.e. a standard ‘foot’, thence to ‘mile’
  2. Intersubjectivity and consensus on an approximation and acceptable variance.
    In such a case, there is still objectivity which is ultimately based on intersubjectivity.
    However in 2, there is a lower degree of ‘objectivity’ relative to higher precisions.
    Such a lower objectivity is sufficient for many purposes for many people but its limitations will show when the context and perspective change.

Your present focus is on 2 above but you did not bring 1 into focus.
Objectivity [intersubjectivity] in 2 is context driven.
When we deal with nano-levels we may need nano-standards which again is based on intersubjective consensus amongst a group of nano-scientist within a recognized official ‘nano’ body.

Familiar with Copernicus and the majority who think the Sun move around the Earth?

Note this OP was raised in response to Phyllo’s tauntings based on his ignorance relation to the below;
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In application of the above continuum,
the knowledge of ‘it is 100 miles from NYC to Philadelphia’ is represented by the following;
3. Knowledge = 80-99.9% subjectivity : 50-75 % Objectivity
depending on how close is the estimate to the official recognized distance.

You can measure a length with a string or stick, without any units, without anyone around, without anyone agreeing with you. You can use that length to build things and compare sizes and fit.

That’s not just subjective … it’s an objective measurement of distance. :-"

An absolute ontological substance? You mean such as somebody’s mind other than your own? You know, that thing you need in order for intersubjectivity to be coherent? You don’t have an answer to this point.

I notice you’re still arguing with Only-Humean about words like ‘feet’ as if the intersubjectivity of language proves the intersubjectivity of what language represents. How is it that you still fail to grasp that a yard being 36 of something is intersubjective, and yet a yard being shorter than a meter is not? This is rather hopeless I fear.

You guess is right. This OP was raised in response to my following point in the other thread.
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The correlation between ‘objectivity’ and ‘inter-subjective’ is critical to counter the philosophical realist’s views which assert that reality is objective and is absolutely independent of human conditions, so we have;

  1. Objectivity - intersubjectivity - Kant’s Copernican Revolution versus
  2. Objectivity - absolutely mind independent of subjectivity
    My main stance is 1 with limited use for 2.

If you reflect deeply (re Kant’s reflective judgment) one of the ultimate root of objectivity-intersubjectivity is the generic human DNA that compel necessity and enable universality.

The differentiation of the two senses of objectivity, i.e. intersubjectivity and absolutely mind-independent is necessary for the continual optimal well being of humanity.

Fundamentally type 2 objectivity is useful but it contribute to theism and other evils which will bring net-evil (oppose net-good) to the well-being humanity in the future.
Fundamentally type 1 objectivity-intersubjectivity will promote the building of TEAM-HUMAN thus global co-operation towards the optimal well being of humanity.
How and the details? that is quite a long story.

Your’s is a hopeless case I worry. You don’t seem to read carefully on what I wrote.

It is not about language. It is about the universal agreed referent. Note this actual referent that is universally and intersubjectively accepted by subjects.
surveyhistory.org/the_standard_meter1.htm

A yard is based on the intersubjective standard with reference to a real foot long time ago somewhere in England. The measurement was done based on continually placing one foot next to the other from one point to another.
A meter is based on the intersubjective standard as shown above.
The difference (objective) between them is ultimately reducible to the original intersubjectivity that established their respective objectivity.

That is what is called a highly ‘subjective’ (say 90%) measurement with a pinch of objectivity (say 5% due to some degree of repeatability).

It has greater objectivity when you get another subject to agree with your standard, inter-subjects consensus, i.e. intersubjectivity.
The degree of objectivity will depend on the number of subjects agreeing with your standard and the degree of its testing, repeatability, constancy, and other justification methods.

And if they all agree on the wrong number?

Based on :

  • nobody saw me take the measurement
  • I can repeat the measurement a thousand times if I need
  • your claim that objectivity is ultimately inter-subjectivity

How can that measurement contain 5% objectivity? Why not 100% and why not 0%?

Can those numbers even be called inter-subjective? Are they the agreement of a group of experts? A standards committee? Did you agree with anyone when generating them? Did you use a recognized standard method?

No. Are you sure that you really have read books of Immanuel Kant?

Kant merely argued that a too speculative metaphysics which his philosophical predecessors excessively used is not able to realise without any perception. Many of his philosophical predecessors had tried to realise God by pure reason. Kant has changed the (concept of) metaphysics, because according to him metaphysics should not longer be the “science of the absolute” what it had been to all his philosophical predecessors, the dogmatic philosophers. According to Kant metaphysics is the science of the knowledge borders. Kant re-created i.e. the epistemology, but he did not say that metaphysics in general is an impossibility. The epistemology is the “border police” against all pretension, hubris, border crossing beyond that what is experiencable, Kant said for example.

No, it isn't. A yard is .9144 meters regardless of the history of where the measurments came from.  Again, intersubjectively establishing a tool or a term to use for a purpose "Let us agree that this much length is called a yard, and use that as a reference when measuring things" has no bearing on whether an object is longer or shorter than another object.  The only thing reducible to intersubjectivity is [i]how that difference is described, not the relation.[/i]

And you still haven’t answered my refutation of your point- you argued that we can’t establish mind independence. That was YOUR point. Without mind indepedence, there’s no assurance of other minds. Without assurance of other minds, there is no intersubjectivity. Your position is still self refuting.

Come on… I had asserted my reading of Kant many times and I have quoted from Kant’s books many times which implied I have at least read his books. It does not reflect well on you to ask such a question.
The proper question is whether despite one having read Kant’s book, did one fully grasp Kant’s philosophy.

So my question to you is, I presume you have read Kant’s books which can easily be done but did you really understand Kant’s central themes, one of then being ‘Metaphysics is impossible’.

Note Kant asked the following famous questions is his books,

  1. How is Science possible?
  2. How is Pure Mathematic possible?

It is obvious both 1 and 2 are possible because we are generating objective knowledge from both this two fields but Kant explained with philosophical justifications how Science and Pure Mathematic are possible and he turned to asking;

  1. How is Metaphysics possible?

Possible means possible to be “knowledge” and experience.
Kant concluded it is impossible for Metaphysics to generate knowledge.
However he also conclude Metaphysics is almost like breathing and thus an unavoidable philosophical pursuit to human beings.

Metaphysics is an ‘impossibility’ in the context that follows from 1-3 as explained by Kant.

ETA:

Do you agree with Kant that metaphysics is impossible?

Do you understand that claiming everything is ultimately intersubjective is a statement of metaphysics?

It is obvious a yard is shorter than a meter. This objective shortness is based on the intersubjective basis of the referent and also the reference.

I did not argued we cannot estabslish mind independence, note what I stated in this post;
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Kant argued based on empirical realism, there is an external world and other minds however this is based on transcendental idealism which objective and based on intersubjectivity.

I suggest you research the two points 1 & 2 above which are in the public sphere and refute them.

Gyahd … this is why I hate critiquing the works of others … morons misinterpret everything they say and argue about it forever like Jews quibbling over holy scriptures.

So first, Kant did NOT say that “metaphysics is impossible” as the OP claims, rather that certain knowledge through pure metaphysics was impossible. Secondly, it seems that Kant was both right and wrong concerning the limits of the mind.

No one cares what is actually true or not, so I won’t bother with that part.

James that’s racist.

Well I’m not the one who coined it, so TS.

I dunno what TS means there but if you were calling me a transsexual then that’s kinda racist too man.