The current Labour leader is no different… supporting all the terrorist groups that the world is trying to rid itself of, and calling them his friends, prohibiting peace in our time… from an upper class background, but with lower than working class views. Perhaps there’s money involved… for him.
Like Tony Blair isn’t pro-business, pro military. I will be that the social system lost ground under his tenure. IOW he was part of moving the UK away from socialist tendencies. He aligned himself with the queen and with the Neocons. He did their bidding. Just as Clinton did.
Too many assumptions and missing the points about the millions of lives Trump saved.
Just go visit the region like I did. Imagine me, a Jew, embedded with Hezbollah, who weren’t knowing I am Jewish but who believed I was there to make their case in the west.
I learned a lot that way. First of all that these weren’t people whose case I wanted to make.
Takes a bit of courage, which isn’t appreciated here on ILP. Some fanatical troll in my threads I won’t mention by name again thinks courage is cowardice and vice versa, and he is kind of a model moderner in that sense. People who never dreamt of leaving their town and yet have big opinions about politics.
Ive never met anyone who talked sense about this stuff that hasn’t gathered some experience. Same with any important topic.
Good on you for going - I’m assuming to a location in the Middle East where there are wars still ongoing. Where was it you went?
I’m not so sure, though, about the attribution to the current US president. It assumes not only a lot about the decision structures of the US, but it might also assume a lot about the intentions of voters.
So firstly, do politicians not heed advice from military personel? Is there only a 1-way dictation from president downwards without any feedback i.e. an Autocratic state? I would hazard the guess that the military expertise at the president’s hand would have held the vast majority of the decision making clout, regardless of who the president was. Given the record of the likely alternative had Trump not won the role of figurehead, it’s easy to assume Clinton would have pushed for “millions of lives” to be taken in pursuit of her “Democratic goals”. It’s also easy to assume that even if this was the case, that democratic voters supported her because of such a projection - even more doubtful.
So in response to:
I hold that it is reasonable to assume that millions of lives were already saved, regardless of not only Trump, but also the intentions of the US electorate regardless of their political stance. In fact, I would say that the “too many assumptions” apply to you here, Jakob.
But you definitely win points altogether separate from your overall argument, for going over there to find things out for yourself - assuming that’s what you did.
…and Corbyn is the exact opposite… anti-business and anti-military… heck, the guy would even get rid of Trident if he ever came into power.
He was the first champagne socialist, after-all… under his watch, the social system was more management-heavy than we had ever had, so multi-millions were being spent on employees that weren’t actually needed… friends of his perhaps? just like Sadiq Khan is doing in City Hall as Mayor of London.
