I noticed he was speaking about his wish to formerly not get old, but now is, which sounds like nihilism to me.
Seriously though, I am happy to debate and did so the end of last year. There is only so much obnoxious attitude I can take, and if people are going to use terms like ‘the will’ as if it is something, and not a Victorian perception long since abandoned as scientific, then there is no way to get down to the specifics. How can I take someone’s arguments apart at the seams, if they just keep glazing over everything with rounded off terminology?
Having said that, I found it somewhat interesting, and its hard to see the world without knowing that there is the [dumbass] Nietzschean side of things. The ancients kinda took the world as it comes at you, if a Spartan likes little boys or a poet is a lesbian, then that’s how they are. These days we tend to look at the former and many other things as a mental illness, which it is ~ if one looses sight of their former positions and heads headlong into further extremes.
My main argument is that satyr thinks the greeks were/are the most advanced, but I think the druids were. Though I don’t like all the agendas flying round these days, where ‘the right thing’ is used to propagate said agendas as if they are trying to make the world into something it isn’t, I still think all that happened between there and here have been improvements. Humanity has advanced, and there is little point looking back at ideals from ancient societies with relatively little understanding of the universe. …philosophy aside that is [obviously we can learn from that] ~ but that doesn’t include their social philosophies.
The KT position on nihilism is actually very well documented. It is totally against it in all of its various manifestations
I have listened to two of Satyrs twelve part monologue on it. And the mission statement expressly states that the site
is proudly anti nihilistic. It can not be any more explicit than that. So why you think Ha has no clue I just do not know
Yeah, that ‘sameness’ is a killer on KT and without regular contributions from Satyr, it seems to have lost its edge, but reading what he said he is not entirely opposed.
It could be one’s instinct to look at the people he seems to be referencing there and make some assumption about them…but those are not the words of the people he’s debated. Those are his words. So when you read them, you should think about him and what they say about him.
Yeah, on KT Catholicism is nihilistic along with birthday parties, dogs chasing cats, and children at the end of the street selling lemonade. Everything is nihilism!
Nihilism is reality denial, a philosophical position usually resulting from a psychological condition of not being capable of coping with reality as it is and so inventing numerous fabrications and lies about reality in order to make it more tolerable, and present them as reality, while claiming that what reality actually is, is a lie, or a human construct, etc. It is a disconnection from reality only possible in sheltering environments.
One example of nihilism is belief in objective morality, that morality is not a survival tool humans evolved, but that there is a moral code to be followed that is objective, outside of subjective (human) minds and independent from it.
The reality is that there is no objective morality.
Belief in objective morality is thus nihilistic, as it denies reality, and it is often a product of an individual’s inability to cope with the absence of morality in the objective world, so they lie to themselves that it isn’t really absent. Similar to how the belief in afterlife is formed, an inability to cope with the idea that our existence is not infinite. Another example of a nihilistic belief.
I think that where you’d disagree with KT, HaHaHa, is that while on KT an absence of universal moral code is acknowledged, it is not taken as an excuse to completely surrender to nature and not have any moral principles, and it is not considered something to be complained about, but something positive because it gives us a chance to construct our own principles instead of being forced to blindly follow what is presented to us without the option of criticizing or questioning or choosing differently.
I have known people who don’t deny reality but just think it is shit, and there has been nothing they could do to change their situation. This is especially true as concerns ones upbringing or if they are orphans etc. you can’t command the world as much as we would like to, then equally the world IS going to bring you and your loved ones to old age, disease and then death. There isn’t a way to ultimately defeat it.
To blame people for responding negatively to having suffered far more adversity than anyone could handle [even satyr and his ilk], is absurd.
There may be cases where it is people being weak minded, but usually you had to be that before seeing that you don’t want to be that. Give them a chance! Or shit on their face – I am not sure which would be most effective
Though I don’t like all the agendas flying round these days, where ‘the right thing’ is used to propagate said agendas as if they are trying to make the world into something it isn’t, I still think all that happened between there and here have been improvements. Humanity has advanced, and there is little point looking back at ideals from ancient societies with relatively little understanding of the universe. …philosophy aside that is [obviously we can learn from that] ~ but that doesn’t include their social philosophies.