In the Image of God

[One_Liner]

Where does “image of God” appear in the OT?

[James_S_Saint]

@One Liner

Where does “image of God” appear in the OT?

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. And God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.—Genesis 1:26-27.

[One_Liner]

What version of the Bible is that from?

[Ierrellus]

@One Liner

What version of the Bible is that from?

KJV.

[One_Liner]

I am puzzled why JSS refers to Adam in Genesis 1 as Genesis 1 only refers to adam (humankind) not Adam (the individual).

[James_S_Saint]

@One Liner

I am puzzled why JSS refers to Adam in Genesis 1 as Genesis 1 only refers to adam (humankind) not Adam (the individual).

I suspect that is because “adam” doesn’t mean “human kind”.
“Ahdam” refers to the confining of the loose, undisciplined, wild spirit.
“Human”, the HUE of MAN, refers to the lower order, base substance of which Man is made.

[One_Liner]

Adham with an upper case “A”?

[James_S_Saint]

@One Liner

Adham with an upper case “A”?

There was only one - the definitive article (Ah-dam).

[One_Liner]

You may possibly need to do your research on the use of the word in Hebrew (especially in Genesis 1).

[James_S_Saint]

@One Liner

You may possibly need to do your research on the use of the word in Hebrew (especially in Genesis 1).

Or you.

[One_Liner]

James, you already know I have as you have common sense but I cannot source any references stating your position.

[Uccisore]

@Mentat Monkey

The bible says we made in God’s image.
What is God’s image?
In Genisis it would be the image of ‘The Creator’, so does that mean that the purpose of man to create?

The purpose of man is one of the few things the Bible explores exhaustively enough that we don’t have to wonder about it. It seems pretty clear that the worship of and obedience to God is the main purpose of man. Creating things certainly seems to be a part of that, as rearing/increasing families is a big theme, and so is the development and preservation of nations, people’s, and so on.

As far as us being in the image of God, I sort of see it as the reverse of the idea that we created God as a superlative version of ourselves. However you slice it, the Christian God and humans are alike (and unique from the rest of the universe) in the way they ponder the universe around them, place moral value on what they encounter, choose to react to it in certain ways, and so on. “Being in the image of God” seems to be personhood.

[James_S_Saint]

@One Liner

James, you already know I have as you have common sense but I cannot source any references stating your position.

Serious research involves far more than merely looking up what someone else might have said about something.

In Hebrew, the spelling for Ahdam, is אדם (or ADM). The three Hebrew letters each have a meaning that formed the ancient Anglish words involved.

א - Aleph is the word we use to speak of the initiating sound “ah” or more phonically, “uh”. It is called a “glottal stop” and even though it is considered a vowel in English, was considered a consonant in Hebrew because it had no designated vowel sound following the initial “ghe” noise from the throat. It represents “the first” and in Greek is called “alpha”. Today, in English it is simply, “A”, the first letter of our alphabet.

The sound/syllable “ah” in almost all ancient Anglo/Anglish/English referred to what is more often referred to as “initial spirit”, “inspiration”, the “inner energy”, motion, or effort within something.

The sound “ah” became synonymous with the idea of initial effort or spirit through the concept that all things begin with effort (i.e. “spirit” or “energy”). It is also associated with the idea of initial enlightenment or the “spark of wisdom”, as used in the word, “Buddha”. “YAH” being the more formally accepted concept of First Cause, an agreement in spirit or a covenant, is now often used to mean merely, “yes, I agree”.

In addition our “ghe” sound also came from that same glottal-stop sound and also referred to initiating spirit, as in “ghe-host” (spirit-host, ghost), “ghe-oh” (to move, esprit, go), and even “ghe-odd” (a unique circumventing/all-encompassing/determining spirit, god).

ד - Daleth (or more properly spelled, “Dalet”) is the fourth letter in the Hebrew alphabet and when used as an individual sound means door, gate, or dam. The concept is of something that opens or stops an otherwise free flow (of spirit in this case). To translate into more common understanding, it is merely a “holding or gathering device”.

ם - Mim, the 13th letter (in English, “M”), represents “water” (by modern translation), which in concept and by metaphor represents the flow of spirit (hence the common, “Holy Water” concern, “walking on the water”, “dividing the waters”, “calming the waters/sea”, and so on…).

When the two letters דם are put together, they form the concept of a water/spirit dam. The sound/syllable “dam” in Anglish referred to the familiar modern English concept of a “water dam” in that “dam” meant a flow being “held into place”, the flow of spirit/effort. The more Latin concept of a damn being a curse is that same concept, a stagnate influence upon a person, people, or place. “Damn” still carries that concept today. “Dame”, referring to the female, carried the same concept of a fixed divergent influence over the male and a curse for his rational thinking.

[One_Liner]

James, I already know that, and you probably know I already know that, but your claim was that the use of the word in Genesis 1 was with a capital A.

[One_Liner]

@Uccisore

“Being in the image of God” seems to be personhood.

Agreed, but what specific aspects of personhood?

[Ierrellus]

The image of God is the human desire to be whole, mentally, physically and spirituality–to see this wholeness as the proper situation for person, society, planet and universe–to be as God us–whole.

[One_Liner]

I think you are describing reconciliation rather than the “image of God” as, according to Gen 1, the desire you describe comes somewhat after the act of creation.

[shellytrokan]

Is God’s image the online page of Forbes? The page is the result of anything, and is the reason of anything? Same applies to a tax return experience, or a group of friends at a College sorority house - there’s no evidence that news media is never because of the group of friends at the sorority, or the tax return experience in Spain, therefore one could say that either the tax return experience or the sorority house is God’s image, because either is never just post.
God’s image is the absence of cause, but no cause is currently without definition.

[Ierrellus]

@shellytrokan

Is God’s image the online page of Forbes? The page is the result of anything, and is the reason of anything? Same applies to a tax return experience, or a group of friends at a College sorority house - there’s no evidence that news media is never because of the group of friends at the sorority, or the tax return experience in Spain, therefore one could say that either the tax return experience or the sorority house is God’s image, because either is never just post.
God’s image is the absence of cause, but no cause is currently without definition.

Only the last sentence makes sense to me. For the rest “Manure of a large domesticated animal”–Buchwald.

[shellytrokan]

@Ierrellus

@shellytrokan

Is God’s image the online page of Forbes? The page is the result of anything, and is the reason of anything? Same applies to a tax return experience, or a group of friends at a College sorority house - there’s no evidence that news media is never because of the group of friends at the sorority, or the tax return experience in Spain, therefore one could say that either the tax return experience or the sorority house is God’s image, because either is never just post.
God’s image is the absence of cause, but no cause is currently without definition.

Only the last sentence makes sense to me. For the rest “Manure of a large domesticated animal”–Buchwald.

What didn’t you understand about the previous sentences?