With the Daylight Saving Time. Not kidding.
For corporations nothing is sacred.
Business is a very important part of our life, but only part of it.
We have a rule for the separation of Church and State,
we must have one for the separation of Business and State.
Bill Gates is less then God why should he have more say.
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We all need to understand how harmful and destructive the consumer culture is.
[b]Life was never good in the past.
Life will never be good in future.
Life can never be good. [/b]
Suffering is a part of life - an inherent feature of life. Suffering can never be eliminated.
There is Physical suffering - There is Mental suffering.
In pre-industrial society there were physical diseases caused by virus and bacteria.
In modern society there are hundreds of lifestyle related physical diseases - Cancer, Stroke, Diabetes, Obesity, Multiple Organ Failures.
Mental suffering will always exist. It exists in agrarian society. It exists in industrial society. As soon as we stop working we experience mental suffering.
We avoid mental suffering by working ceaselessly.
There is no higher purpose behind work.
People do not work because they want to work.
People work because they cannot stop working.
The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.
Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]
All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.
When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.
When we stop physical work and mental work the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes.
People do not work because they want to work.
People do not work for their family.
People do not work for their nation.
People do not work for any reason.
People work because they cannot stop working.
It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.
[ In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort ]
For most people it is a choice between physical and mental work.
The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.
Man can do the same physical work every day.
Man cannot do the same mental work every day.
When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.
After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-- a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).
When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.
Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter - these are necessities.
Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes - you will then know what necessity is.
Stop drinking water for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.
Stop eating food for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.
Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive. This is the point of no-return - once this is crossed the destruction of Environment/ Nature is inevitable.
[b]If we live a simple life there is individual suffering - but no largescale destruction of Environment.
If we live a consumerist life there is individual suffering - plus largescale destruction of Environment.[/b]
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Dear sushil yadav,
Your reasoning is like no other.
Just kidding.
The way you set up your argument by a simple choice of
‘simple life’ or ‘consumerist life’ makes it pointless.
It is about the same then the choice between sleeping outside or in a cave.
death to infints. Your sins will be your reward. I hope the seas really do biols while I’m hidding in a north canadian cave. Us puritians were the choisen people, but your disbelief in santa clause caused him to die. Now I’m stuck toating a empty bag around tring to fill the gap. Soon the sailers will own the antartic.
Who cares about life when death is so much more hopefull. Or we can ignore it and try to get rich in the process. Our only hope now is their really is an armegedon.
Your only hope is to get paid for your hard work on ILP.
We are not little children of ToysOfYours to be scared by the invented disasters of Armageddon.
We are guardians of this world and increasingly outraged by it’s destruction.
Your statements are so weak that they can’t even be called arguments.
They hold no water nor wind nor fire.
If you are chosen, you are chosen for only one thing and I will prevent you from dragging the rest of us with you.
Man can repair and restore things that have been made by man himself. Car, Computer, aeroplane, rocket - if anything goes wrong with these things man can repair and restore.
Man cannot repair and restore Nature/ Environment - because man did not make Nature/ Environment. Once a Forest is destroyed - it is gone for millions of years. One cannot create a Forest in 5 or 50 years - it takes millions of years to make a forest - containing millions of species of animals, insects, birds, plants and trees. Man can create a plantation in 5 or 50 years - not a forest.
The only way to save Environment is by not destroying it - leave it alone - leave it undisturbed. If you destroy Environment you cannot repair and restore it.
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Fent,
You are right about the harmful impact of consumerism on our Minds and Environment.
Today 50% of world population - 3 bilion people are living in cities. The necessary work of growing/producing Food is being done outside cities - in villages and countryside. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things. The switch-over from Physical work to Mental work/ Desk job has led to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.
When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.
Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter - these are necessities.
Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes - you will then know what necessity is.
Stop drinking water for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.
Stop eating food for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.
Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods.
Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals,Trees,Air,Water and Land] for makng unnecessary things[Consumer Goods].
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Here, here!
Here, here!
Fent,
Thanks for your comment on consumerism.
Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods].
When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.
It hardly matters whether it is “Capitalist Industrial Society” - “Communist Industrial Society” - or “Socialist Industrial Society”.
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.
Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.
Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.
Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.
Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.
When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.
When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.
Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.
[b]Growth Rate - Economy Rate - GDP.
These are figures of “crimes against Nature”.
These are figures of “destruction of Ecosystems”.
These are figures of “Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality”.[/b]
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Hassooni,
Thanks for asking the question.
Our planet can provide necessary things - food, shelter and clothing - to all people . It cannot provide unlimited consumer goods.
[b]Infinite growth and development on a tiny planet that is just 40,000 km in circumference?
Industrial Society is insane. [/b]
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Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.
Non-industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter.
Industrial society destroys ecosystems for food, clothing and shelter plus thousands of unnecessary consumer goods.
Industrial society destroys necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.
Non-industrial societies have sustained on earth for thousands of years.
Industrial society has destroyed all ecosystems within 200 - 250 years.
[b]“Growth Rate” - “Economy Rate” - “GDP”
These are figures of “Ecocide”.
These are figures of “crimes against Nature”.
These are figures of “destruction of Ecosystems”.
These are figures of “Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality”.[/b]
[b]Destroy consumerism…before it is too late.
Destroy Industrial Society…before it is too late.[/b]
sushil_yadav
Thats a lot of shit.
Its a shame that industrial society couldn’t come close to effecting the envrionment as much as a single space rock. Perhaps you’re unfamiliar with mass extinction(s)?
If humanity deflects one rock from this orb, it’ll have saveed more of the environment, then it could ever hope to destroy so far, or in the immediate future.
and if you want to save the environment (whatever that fucking means) there would be no other train of thought then ‘scientific’ to accurately or effiently, get that done. I’m not sure how abandoning science would ever help protect the environment, as every shred of knowledge about it, has been given to us, through science.
Forget it.
A person is being stabbed repeatedly at regular intervals - every hour.
Some people are trying to save the victim.
The sane way to save is - you first stop the attack – you prevent the attack.
What these insane people do - they allow the attack to be continued. They don’t stop it - they don’t prevent it.
Instead, what they do - They say we are going to save the victim by using technology - the best technology - the best medical care.
[b]Bring this technology - Bring that technology.
Bring this technology - Bring that technology.[/b]
They give the victim the best technology - the best medical care.
In the meantime the stabbing continues – every hour – even while the best medical care is being given.
One can imagine the fate of the victim.
Ecosystems are getting destroyed due to production of consumer goods.
Every consumer good is made by killing animals, trees, air, water and land - directly or indirectly. [ more killing of nature takes place when consumer goods are used and discarded]
Industrial society is destroying necessary things - animals, trees, air, water and land for making unnecessary things - consumer goods.
The sane way of saving ecosystems is - you stop production of consumer goods - you reduce production of consumer goods to the minimum level.
But the insane Industrial Society continues producing consumer goods [ in fact production is being increased every day]
The insane response of Industrial Society is - We will save the environment with technology - the best technology.
[b]Bring this technology - Bring that technology.
Bring this technology - Bring that technology.[/b]
In the meantime production of consumer goods continues - 3 billion people living in cities are continuously engaged in - making , buying and selling of consumer goods - killing the ecosystems moment by moment.
One can imagine the fate of environment.
Height of Insanity…Height of Abnormality.
Destroy Industrial Society…before it is too late.
Destroy consumerism… before it is too late.
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Mr. Genius,
What kind of weird logic is that?
Because a rock/ meteorite could wipe out all species we should not bother about environment and should continue destroying the ecosystems.
When you fall sick you rush to the doctor.
When you fall sick you rush to the hospital.
When you fall sick you forget the rock/ meteorite - and rush to save yourself.
When environment is in danger - when ecosystems are sick/dying you remember the rock/ meteorite and say there is no need to heal.
Humans have spent more than 99% of their time on earth in non-industrial societies.
It is highly amazing that people have taken for granted a lifestyle that has barely existed for 50 - 100 years.
People started thinking “this is the way to live”.
This is not the way to live - This is the way to die.
Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things[animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things[consumer goods].
People who are going for infinite growth and development on a small planet [whose circumference is just 40,000 km] are insane, abnormal and criminal.
In the context of Industrial Society someone has said :
“It is like adding extra floors to your building by removing bricks from the lower floor/ foundation.”
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You still don’t participate in environmental groups?
I never said that, you did. I said that humans are capable of doing more good than harm, and all the bitching about human ‘harm’ to the environment doesn’t mean a whole lot, when we’ve put ourselves into a position where we can prevent mass extinctions of the like that we’re not capable of creating ourselves.
What I am saying is that pointing at humans and crying ‘devil’ about environmental destruction is meaningless because humans can prevent random environmental destruction which is greater than that we could commit ourselves.
What humans have done to this planet would dissapear in the first few thousand years after we’re gone, in-fact, more than likely accelerating new plant and forest growth by massive amounts. The same isn’t true of say, a meteor strike, which we could potentially stop in just a few short years.
As to ecosystems dying because of humans, yeah thats horrendous especially in areas of hardcore biodiversity like rain-forests or giant coral reefs, destroying species which could result in better medicine or better understanding or better science, but you have to realize that at the same time we’re creating new environments that other species adapt to/exploit.
For example, coyotes were not nearly as successful before humans as they were after humans. They pretty much used our roads/fields to colonize an entire continent, and thats despite systematic efforts by all humans to exterminate them, their population has been rising, continously, despite our best efforts.
hunter-gatherers also wiped out a lot of species, more than we’d care to go over i’m sure.
Echo,
I do participate in environmental groups - many of them
Humans are collectively destroying ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter and consumer goods.
What can be cut - what can be reduced/ eliminated?
It is the consumer goods.
We need to reduce production and consumption of consumer goods to the minimum level.
Our planet can fulfill our needs - not our greed.
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Work has destroyed ecosystems.
On a small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.
Most of the 3 billion people living in cities - 50% of world population - are engaged in overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.
It is very important to understand the reasons for doing work.
Why do we work?
It is generally thought that people work because - they are smart, intelligent and hardworking. People work in order to feed themselves and their families.
Above reasons are totally wrong.
In the East sages had discovered thousands of years ago that people cannot stop working. People work because they cannot stop working.
Anyone who wants proof of this can try the following. Take leave from work for 10 days. Try to sleep continuously. Try to indulge in pleasure/ entertainment continuously. Try to relax continuously.
The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.
Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]
All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.
When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.
When we stop physical work and mental work, the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes - they can stop work/activity only under the influence of drugs and alcohol.
There is no higher purpose behind work.
People do not work because they want to work.
People do not work for their family.
People do not work for their nation.
People do not work for any reason.
People work because they cannot stop working.
It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.
In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort. A large number of people in the east have tried to do this but very few have succeeded - maybe a few hundred or a few thousand in the entire history. Stopping work is not an option for most people living in this world.
Today 50% of world population - 3 bilion people are living in cities. These people cannot do farming in cities. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things - leading to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.
Our small planet which is only 40,000 km in circumference cannot sustain a city-based industrial society.
A city-based industrial society destroys necessary things for making unnecessary things.
A city-based industrial society destroys animals, trees, air, water and land for making consumer goods.
In a city-based industrial society work turns into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.
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