Evidence can be anything, reason sure but what standard? That doesn’t really answer a question. It seems there needs to be a standard. My question “was it the same as knowledge” is was the justification the same criteria as knowledge as I defined it? A more complex manner. However the process Gettier used would have some intricacies that I would need clarification on - do you know where I can find that?
As I understand it, Gettier showed that some justified belief is knowledge, essentially, but not all. I do not agree with that conclusion, but was enough to disprove JTB nonetheless.
I would ask if you can give me your favorite theory on the justifications and standards for what constitutes knowledge - I would certainly appreciate that. However I would rather it not be a personal philosophy - but if that is all you have I will take that as well. Thank you~ I would also be interested in theories on justifications for what constitutes belief, opinion and truth if you know of them.
Rationalism, empiricism, coherentism are all very myopic I would say compared to what I propose here. Correct me if you see it otherwise. They only take aspects of knowledge, not an entire foundation for a standard of what is knowledge. Foundationalism itself is based on JTB as well so is rather… meh.
I don’t agree that belief is a mere component of knowledge as I have already explained. I would rather understand how belief is a component of knowledge aside from what I already shown and attempted refutation on in my greater OP. I parsed belief and knowledge apart - noting that attitude of certainty was not sufficient enough to consider knowledge a component of belief, or vice versa. There may be differences in attitude of certainty nonetheless in knowledge and belief. So that something that is known doesn’t really have the same attitude of certainty as something that is believed, in any case. It’s possible that the mind itself may separate knowledge and belief at least at an unconscious level, that is if the mind is healthy and functioning logically.
Contending that knowledge isn’t always true isn’t a way that nobody else uses it. In this very board I’ve already seen this sentiment that knowledge is not truth. You can see it anywhere online as well,
google.com/search?q=%22know … 2&ie=UTF-8
There is legitimate reason to consider that as well. Even the definition of knowledge that was presented has no requirement of truth. It isn’t even implied. So no, I don’t agree that everyone uses or views knowledge as necessarily the truth. However then you argue that knowledge is true belief after already noting that Gettier refuted it, to make it seem like there is truth aspect to it. Which is it, knowledge is JTB or it isn’t? Or is it simply Justified Truth now? You’re not being very clear and consistent here.
I do have a standard of justification. I would have to present a theory on justification of knowledge, truth, belief and opinion however. Simply because the field epistemology doesn’t have clear standards or comprehensive standards, but rather myopic and if not vague standards, it does not mean that I don’t value justification of knowledge, truth, belief or opinion and have a model. Some of which that model has already been presented. I am not sure where you have refuted what I stated in the OP other than providing varying philosophy that isn’t what I stated. The field seems ripe for the picking on this matter.
You claiming knowledge to be a type of belief, which it is, is merely a claim of course. What reason is it a type of belief that refutes what I have stated in the OP?
Now finally - you are misunderstanding what I am stating here:
“It can be implicit (as with practical skill or expertise) or explicit (as with the theoretical understanding of a subject); it can be more or less formal or systematic.[1] In philosophy, the study of knowledge is called epistemology; the philosopher Plato famously defined knowledge as “justified true belief”, though “well-justified true belief” is more complete as it accounts for the Gettier problems. However, several definitions of knowledge and theories to explain it exist.”
Knowledge acquisition involves complex cognitive processes: perception, communication, and reasoning; while knowledge is also said to be related to the capacity of acknowledgment in human beings"
Please note that this shows no indication here that truth is of a matter to knowledge."
When you responded:
"Knowledge being ‘well-justified true belief’ shows no indication that truth is a matter to knowledge? Now I have to ask if this is some kind of joke. "
We already got beyond knowledge being justified true belief. But yet again you come back to it as if its viable. Again, I am seeing a lack of consistency on your end. I contend that knowledge is justified in a certain ways through the definition I provided, and please note that definition is not Justified true belief