No Fundamental Distinction Between Science and Religion

You wouldn’t know.

…but of course you would? Before having read them and even after having read them because you know more than they do or even guys like Feynman. I applaud your genius.

You are just talking nonsense.

“Science is entirely Faith Based.”, James S. Saint.

You really want to say that? You can’t really expect anyone to take your seriously after that.

They push and insist upon the religion of Science because they lust for the power of physical technology. They are Godwannabes. They have even said it themselves, “We WILL be gods”.

Science and Religion are not concerned with the same things.
They are not on the same page, not even in the same damn book.
Science is not a replacement for religion in any sense.
Religion can be dispensed with, with no consequences.
A number of people with a limited amount of intellect might think of it that way, but that is because they think they lack something when they have been let down by the false claims of religion. Only religion provides certainty with no back-up. Science is about doubt.

Interesting! Were you PROSECUTED and threatened with torture when you proved Quantum Physics & Relativity false? Or were you just ignored like thousands of others who write on internet forums or send their theories abroad to science establishments correcting its last 100 years of error?

As for Nullius in Verbe which you are so fond of quoting, is there any doubt its message would apply primarily to you who counters virtually every assumption made by these theories. Who do you imagine is most likely to be on the “receiving end” of what in most cases is excellent advice?

Public forums are replete with thousands of “proofs” that the entire scientific edifice is not merely incorrect but corrupt as well. This begs the question, what’s the usual reaction of those whose theories are not even considered worthy of being sneezed at based on what’s already understood and confirmed? Science as lies, myth, indoctrination, religion, etc. In short, if it doesn’t grant you any credibility you’re determined to discredit the whole enterprise as best you can and hope to convince others to believe you.

Continue with your Jihad which refuses anything counter to its own “indoctrination”. It won’t make the slightest bit of difference except to your own credibility and those who like to play Katz und Maus.

Internet banning for no more than making a single post explaining an error in physics (after being directly asked) on a large physics forum (not to mention the many smaller ones) is the Internet’s form of prosecution, judgment, and execution. Physics Forums is a church and temple. Disagreement is not allowed. They even delete any paradox discussions that they think they can’t solve (which appears to be many).

The rest of your post is strictly your own fantasy strawman. Non-authority figures cannot indoctrinate.

That WAS the truth of it. But not any longer. Today they still pray to science to walk on water and save Man. To tempt the thought, they still ask, "Will Science save us?"

Your announcements or more accurately your denouncements never cease to amaze!

What Physics forum could ever take you seriously with opinions or statements like…

…a theory whose predictive power has been confirmed so many times up to the present that even scientists much more brilliant than you have lost credibility betting against it.

In a Physics forum you would appear ludicrous and decidedly not a serious player. Nothing wrong with questioning or critiquing but everything wrong with negating what’s already been proven in favor of one’s own pet theory. No wonder you’ve been dispensed with!

Also, you still haven’t figured out that Nullius in Verbe is far more applicable to the unsubstantiated than to what has already been established and confirmed though never completely exempt especially in science.

You employ it both paradoxically and inimically to what science actually has discovered in the last 100 years denigrating it’s more exceptional practitioners in the process while categorically stating the absolute truth of your own.

The upshot is if you’re right you’d be THE greatest genius in the last 120 years! A paradigm shift for the ages! No Nobel Prize could be worthy of you. If that’s the case no wonder you aren’t yet acknowledged. The rest of us susceptible clods which includes all the scientists have yet to catch up! :evilfun:

You obviously no nothing of physics and yet here you are displaying exactly what I am talking about, “religious faith in the doctrine of Science”.

Relativity has NEVER been “confirmed” as anything more than what it is, a mathematical engineering tool that yields better results than Newtonian physics did. That is it. But even Einstein after years of trying stated that he could never get it to entirely work. And that is all I have ever said. It is not a “truth”. It is a means for calculating. Quantum Mechanics is the same. It is a statistically based means for calculating. It has nothing whatsoever to do with physical reality. Quantum Physics, is entirely and totally fairy tales and magic, pure literal “superstition”.

And that would be a reason to delete contradicting posts? I would think they would want to leave such stupid things on display just to show how right they are. But that isn’t what they do.

And if you think that your prophets are so supreme, and I am so foolish, how about get one of your masters to come here and debate me on the subject. I bet you can’t get even one to try. And of course, your “plausible denial” will be “why should anyone argue with such an idiot as you”.

Its easy, when you know nothing of a subject to claim that one of the two debaters is an idiot, like kibitzing a masters chess game when you don’t even know the rules.

And there you go again. They have that as their motto and you interpreted it as “take no ones word … until WE tell you its right”? :laughing:

That is like the Jews reinterpreting Moses’ commandments as “Thou shalt not kill … unless we give you permission.:icon-rolleyes:

YOU are just more proof of the religiosity of Science today, fanatically supporting something you know nothing about, no different than any Christian, Jew, or Muslim.

… exempt from them changing it when they see fit (to hide prior mistakes, as they have very often done).

You can’t argue the truth about something you know so little of.

I’m sorry, I forgot you already told us what was false (Relativity & QM) and you already told us what was right (namely your theories). It’s quite clear why you had to add that self serving modification to your favorite phrase. Is this how you create most of your brilliant insights by simple additions and subtractions as required? =D>

As for Relativity to the extent its predictions are correct - note the words “to the extent” - the theory is correct.

BTW NO theory has EVER been “confirmed” as anything more than what it is. Even a poor ignorant science clod like me can figure out that much. But thanks for mentioning it. :laughing:

The serious difference is that I can defend mine. They cannot defend theirs. But of course, you, knowing nothing of either, are merely another religious fanatic waving the flag of your faith against all rationale.

“The cat is both dead and alive at the same time … until you look at it.”
“The interference pattern changes if you observe it.”
“Space bends (else our equations won’t work).”
“Time goes backwards in order to satisfy quantum reality.”
“Worm holes in space allows us to travel to distant galaxies.”
“All possible universe exist at the same time, in parallel.”
“The back side of the Moon doesn’t exist when no one is observing it.”
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All in the name of Science, taught in schools. But naaahhh… none of the “fairy tale religious stuff”.

:laughing:
“We are wright to the extent that we are correct”.
… emm… hell, who can’t say that. :icon-rolleyes:

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Science,…

So you agree that Relativity has been confirmed as merely a mathematical engineering tool, not a truth model?

If you actually knew anything about it, that would mean something. Why don’t you just stick to things you know something about. Or is there any such a thing?

If you want to find out if your prophets are correct, just have any decent one of them come and chat with me about it. They certainly shouldn’t be afraid of that. But they are. They leave their defense to loyalist fanatics like yourself so that they aren’t as embarrassed. Religions do that, have for thousands of years.

I said “to the extent its predictions are correct”. Is there still enough juice left in the old battery to understand a simple English sentence? You must certainly know what I mean! Why do you find it necessary to mutilate the meaning? Is it going to prove your theories? No wonder they kicked you out of other forums if this is your method.

I can only know what I read which is what most people do who don’t depend on seances. This includes the writings of some fairly prestigious writers who I’m sure know more about the subject than I do even though they don’t always agree with each other.

As the sole creator and endorser of your own unique theories you don’t have that problem. Lucky you!

I’m not aware or have I ever read of any “truth models” in the context of any absolute definitions. Where it may be or could be applied is within a theories range of operations, that is, within its contextual range implying limits. If you ever read any books on science you would know what I’m referring to but alas that is not likely to be the case.

Yes! This is also the conclusion of so many others just like you on the internet and it always concludes the same tiresome way. “I know, you don’t” and accordingly designated either a communist or a religious fanatic in response. Such an original display of brilliance is hard to beat!

Getting back to Nullius in Verbe whose edict applies equally to you; why should we take your word for anything? It seems you never even thought of that possibility prior to having first mentioned it.

Some much for empty rhetoric.
You keep saying this shit but do not offer anything in evidence, nor do you qualify "modern science".
Last time I looked no one I have seen has been praying to science, especially not to walk in water.
I used to get gout. Now I take a pill called Allupurinol. Science claims that it reduces nitric acid in the blood which causes crystals to form in the joints. I’ve not had a gout attack since I took the medication. It has not involved prayer.
How is this a religion? The link to gout, nitric acid and allopurinol does not involve FAITH.

I can’t tell what your personal experience of science is. But I do note you seem to be from the US. Maybe you attended on eof the many poor quality Universities, that are geared to results rather then teaching good practice?

That’s right, Peachy Neachy. There is only one fundament of religion and science: the belief - belief in truth. B.t.w.: philosophy has this fundament too.

BELIEF as the belief (or faith) in truth is the fundament, and then it goes:
[size=127]RELIGION => THEOLOGY (DIVINITY) => PHILOSOPHY/SCIENCE => NEW THEOLOGY (NEW DIVINITY) => NEW RELIGION.[/size]
The result is a new BELIEF (or faith) in truth.

The Occidental culture is a Faustian culture, a culture of science and has a very long history. To me this Faustain culture is the most interesting and the most likable culture of all times. But nevertheless: also this Faustian culture has two sides: a good one and a bad one. After this culture had eked out its science it reached the top of its history - science seemed to be “free” -, then it created a new theology (new divinity) because science was regarded as a kind of deity, but then, when the first serious enemies of science emerged, it had to change its new theology (new divinity) into new religion. Today the Westerners are still on this way of changing science from a new theology (new divinity) into a new religion, but they are already very close to the goal of this way: a new belief (or faith) in truth.

What does that mainly mean?

The Faustian culture has been defending its science more and more due to the fact that it has been getting more and more enemies. One of the consequences is that science has been becoming a part of the rulers, thus its former enemies.

An Occidental scientist of the Occidental culture’s modern times can never be an atheist, or an areligious one, or an disbeliever - that has been being imposible since the Occidental science started its “way” from a new theology (new divinity) to a new religion and its goal: a new belief (or faith) in truth. An Occidental scientist of the Occidental culture’s modern times is the new theist who becomes a new religious one in order to reach the new religious goal: the new belief (or faith) in truth.

There is no doubt that science is a success story of the Occidental culture, perhaps the most successful story of all times, so I am proud and grateful. But this is also not a never-ending story, and perhaps it will end very badly.

The next time you visit the scientific “church” (“universiy”) or a a public discussion of the so-called scientific “experts” (priests and preachers), you may be reminded of the two sides of science.

Once science was an enemy of the rulers, today it is almost entirely under the control of the rulers.

Shouty. Not much content.

“Rulers” don’t understand science and are therefore at the mercy of scientists and the media that misrepresents it.

That’s right. Theres is no fundamental distinction between science and religion. Both - and also philosophy - begin and end with the belief: belief in truth.

An excessively naive sentiment.

A good explanation on the difference:

In addition:

Faith - Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. + strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence

Science is based on evidence.

Religion (arguably) not so.

Thus, there is a fundamental difference.

The only way that science and religion could ever be connected, simply is, by an emergence of a faith based knowledge, and conversely a knowledge based faith, predicated on demonstrated commonality of purpose, technic, and prognosis.

It is inconceivable, that the world can survive, without such an emergence. The energy behind feelings of love and social coherence, will have to be advanced to the point, where , the nature of man, can be afforded such faith. This faith will have to generate, within a very short span of time, and the formula is simple. Science has to come up with answers, how to save the world. It has to create an aesthetic ethos of far reaching ramifications, and i believe it is happening.
Electric cars, clean emissions, population control, and the creation of meta social systems, for those who choose to change their life qualitatively. Archaic societies should not be encouraged to modernize, or be subject to economic subjugation. There should be an attempt to colonize suitable space-objects, such as the Space X project , whose development is already on it’s way.

 Para psychological investigation should be instituted as legitimate study, and the conceivability that we are already in the midst of the progress made by Russia is already an accepted and well known fact.  We may have already made contact with extra-terrestials, as such studies have been going on for at least 50 years,,starting with he enormously expensive experiment involving the use of radio and other energy sourced receptors.

  I expect more and more of extra-real phenomenon to occur, as critical stages are reached in scientific exploration, and rather than trying to disprove such phenomenon, by virtue of preferential bias, they should be further investigated, and legitimized.

Sometimes we’re put into positions where we have to take chances. A position where we don’t have the answers, but there’s reason to act. In these circumstance, all we can do is act on faith - on instinct.

This isn’t wrong.