So atheists and secularists are allowed to soapbox here but not theists?
No one is free from the truth…
Why?
Because we are slaves to knowledge. We think we know, but what is knowledge really? It’s merely someone else’s opinion of what happened. Merely someone else’s opinion of how the world works.
We latch onto the opinions that we think we should agree with… but it’s not truth.
Really, Oldphil. How many times have you did a drive by shooting on theism around here with no intentions on coming back to back up anything you’ve said?
I didn’t think I needed to show you the details of your error, but if you can’t see it, that’s okay. Under the “theist” catagory, you prompted at the end the “win souls for god” bit while also capitalizing god. By doing this, you label the “theist” being Christian in your own “observation,” as if only a Christian is a “theist.” Anotherwords, a courteous classification would have to be worded in a universal manner to not single out any one religious belief. That is the correction that needs to be made here. Of course, if you honestly feel that such a thing should be done, then I suppose that would make you appear elitist, close-minded, and even hurtful. However, I know that really isn’t the case here. I know you are an open-minded individual, yes?
By the way… if your purpose for this thread was to win souls for your god, why not then make that the title of your thread? It would have been simple, honest, and forthcomingly noble. You would have a thread titled something like: “Why Christianity is the Truth!” …and then you would present your points for people to read and decide for themselves if they would like you to “save” their soul. Be careful though, given the high skepticism of ILP, it would be wise of you to make key points about proving the existence of your god, souls, and the schema for “saving” them. If you can do this, I’ll gladly read what you have to say. Afterall, a debate must first start with a well documented opinion of a matter. I look forward to your posts!
The point of my thread was motives, not preaching, don’t believe I did that once. I’m so sorry I didn’t say God or God’s or whatever the heck you would have liked me to put. If someone’s feelings are hurt over something like that, I really don’t know how they’re going to make it through life.
Club… you don’t have to be sorry (there’s no reason for a forced guilt trip), just change what you have done. Simple as that. Please re-read the second paragraph of my previous post; I would really be interested in hearing your points on Christianity as a way of merely setting the record straight on your end of the table. However, if you really don’t care about how people feel (given your response), why are you a Christian? Do you feel you’re so right that you don’t mind who it hurts?
Really Club, I’m trying to be very reasonable here… I made my points in my previous post. I want you to present your ideas and have them read. I really do want to read what you have to say. If you can do this, respect for you will grow not just as a rational thinker, but as a good Christian as well on this site. Good luck in your efforts!
Well thank you. No, I care about people’s feelings. But for the sake of this post I didn’t feel it was necessary to use everyone’s beliefs. Yes, some beliefs we’re left out since I left details of a theist out, but my point wasn’t to include all beliefs, my point was for motives and my personal broad generalization of what i’ve seen. All i’m saying is I really don’t see how someone would get ‘upset’ over something like that, I see my beliefs stereotyped and miscommunicated on here at least 80% of the time, but I realize that’s not the topic of the discussion. It’s really aggrevating however to see my beliefs left out constantly and then ridiculed when I defend them, and then called a religious narrow-minded person just because someone disproves of my views. I’m not saying you’re wrong because your not, there are many other theistic, pantheistic views. But like I said I was trying to show motives rather than information.
You know, if it were that easy, any one of us could have done that. However, in this forum, we would have gotten barraged (is that spelled right? sorry) with so many anti-theist remarks and views that our post would ultimately look ridiculous. and besides, that’s just not how you could go about convincing other people - that’s what they are looking for, is some miracle or something. but all we have to give is reason, personal opinions, and information. nothing more.
No, I care about people’s feelings. But for the sake of this post I didn’t feel it was necessary to use everyone’s beliefs. Yes, some beliefs we’re left out since I left details of a theist out, but my point wasn’t to include all beliefs, my point was for motives and my personal broad generalization of what i’ve seen. All i’m saying is I really don’t see how someone would get ‘upset’ over something like that, I see my beliefs stereotyped and miscommunicated on here at least 80% of the time, but I realize that’s not the topic of the discussion. It’s really aggrevating however to see my beliefs left out constantly and then ridiculed when I defend them, and then called a religious narrow-minded person just because someone disproves of my views. I’m not saying you’re wrong because your not, there are many other theistic, pantheistic views. But like I said I was trying to show motives rather than information.