Overpopulation Debunked

That part is the correct part. The rest is the common Magi induced error of solipsism.

Sometimes at 3/4 moon, the werewolf just thought it was a full.

Criticism accepted. I like to make things up, even if they are “wrong”. I like to produce cool sounding sentences, I like to use the word “machine” a lot.

Anyways, I was thinking along the lines of more “productivity” creating jobs, so the starting point (few jobs) the target (more jobs) and “productivity” as the “process” are completely unrelated; actually, it is the other way around, productivity will kill jobs because it essentially means doing more work with fewer people. And examples like these are many.

Our Minds are Always Wrong. Any model of reality, any interpretation depends on patterns, causes and effects, laws, but reality, as far as I can see, in most cases always and will always contradict us, no matter what. That is because (we can perceive ? but smooth it out pretending it to be continuous ? ) reality is only instantaneous interactions of Mass - Energy with itself (or some other piece of Mass- Energy as assigned by us as being separate, or distinct, but delimitations and distinctions are something we superimpose on reality, that has no delimitations and distinctions, maybe our mind - logic - language creates all the distinctions).

Reality is (we perceive ?) point events, casual - random - uncontrollable point events, especially the moment you think that it is all under control, especially as your confidence increases, that is when you will always be surprised and contradicted and your mental constructions will be demolished. Point like, instantaneous events or interactions having no patterns, no necessities and no laws, especially and very especially as soon as other people’s WILL POWER is put in the picture. Other people’s behavior, thought patterns, decisions are the most random and uncontrollable element possible, nay, even our own mind is essentially just as uncontrollable and random and containing an infinite array of contrasting will powers…

From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/04/gaming … asses.html

Right Wing Thug says:

“There is at present no other known energy source that can deliver as much as oil. (If there were, we should have expected it to be as popular as oil.) Even if tomorrow a new, miraculous energy source could be discovered which can deliver as much as oil (fat hope), the infrastructure of modern society is already so heavily based on oil that to dismantle this infrastructure and then rebuild it on the basis of the new energy source, it has been estimated, would take decades and trillions of dollars – and it’s not clear if we have that much time and money”

I answer:

  1. It doesn’t have to be “one” energy source, there are already many, like wind, solar, bioethanol, weeds, nuclear, geothermal, you name it, there are many. The process is gradual, and has already been going on worldwide for some years now. So you don’t have to dismantle the infrastructure, but adapt it, and more new infrastructure is being put in place every day like solar and wind. Money doesn’t exist (therefore not a fixed entity that runs out), it is a make believe entity, it is just a proxy for human relationships, human interactions, human behavior and symbolizes potential future human activity as in choices, behaviors, interactions, etc.

“Do you seriously think we can continue in an exponential rate of consumption of the planet’s resources without hitting a ceiling at some point? Do you seriously think there are INFINITE resources (and that we just need to look for them)?”

I answer:

  1. There is no exponential rate of consumption, this is a lie, they sold 40 million cars worldwide in 1980 and 70 million in 2010, that is not exponential, it is gradual. There will never be this overshoot, or great growth everyone expects, it is a lie. The middle class worldwide has probably peaked, or is close to it, I don’t expect many more millions having such a high standard of living in the future.

And even if it does grow then, yes, we can do everything and will do everything. With thousands of trillions of new people, robots, computers, MIND OVER MATTER, we will colonize the solar system and galaxy and harness energy from the sun, by splitting it, just like we split atoms.

Anyways, population on earth will probably peak at about 15 to 20 billion at most. That is nothing at all, that is almost invisible for the earth, in the greater scheme of things. Remember the earth has an underground of room of hundreds of miles, imagine what underground skyscrapers and energy you could get by going under, like in huge groundscrapers. Cool.

And, it is much easier and faster to kill people, or that they get killed in a jiffy by accident, war, disease, etc., then it is to conceive and grow a person, that takes 9 months, wealth, good environment, etc. And this is why population will never exceed a tiny limit of 20 billion. It is too easy to die and way harder to live. You can die in an instant like the JAPAN earthquake shows, but living is a wild guess everyday.

Therefore there is no population explosion.

On overpopulation, population explosion etc. this myth is not only a complete and total lie, it is totally logically inconsistent. If the population keeps on growing that means that there are those resources available to sustain it. If there wasn’t enough “water” or “food” or any other basic, the baby couldn’t survive even week more, but these people survive, and thrive, at such a point that they are actually fat, in most of the third world people are becoming fat. Go figure.

And the average life expectancy is increasing worldwide, at the point that the lowest possible life expectancy in the poorest country is 42 years old in Mozambique. Which is an enormous number all considered. Especially since real productive work and labor is the only real resource scarcity the world faces.

But population will always limit itself automatically because you have a million chances and a million different ways to die in a lifetime, everyday is a wild guess, everyday is a miracle that you are still alive (although everyone takes this for granted), and only one very slim chance to be born. The forces against life, limiting life, and killing people therefore limiting population either by war, crime, disease, suicide, accidents, you name it, greatly outnumber, by a very large margin the forces increasing population.

And in fact, it is the contradiction between a growing population and a contracting necessity for real productive labor that will not only limit population, but will trigger all kinds of conflicts and wars and fights anyways. Just this shows how the system has more than enough resources, from the outset, to support more people, since it can SUPPORT SO MANY PEOPLE BARELY WORKING, BARELY PRODUCING ANYTHING, BARELY HAVING ANY KIND OF REAL PRODUCTIVE WORK. Hint, hint, maybe they are all getting a “free lunch”.

And when real resources are no longer enough (which will be never because we live in an infinite resource society) the population will go down automatically, will contract anyways. Aside from the fact that the real contraction of population is due to societies becoming richer, consuming more, women deciding to have fewer children, etc.

This population explosion scare is a proxy to pass another very convenient message: “There is not Enough for Everyone”. This is convenient because it justifies hogging up money and resources by a few, by using this excuse, this lie, it justifies, hiking up the prices of basic necessities like housing and health care and water, because there are always “way too many people”. It is a total lie, it is false, and everyone absolutely believes it, buys into it, they love this so simple cause and effect, this so simple and comforting linearity, it is astonishing. Even the smartest of economists, sociologists all chant this so simple arithmetic, “there are too many people”, there is not enough for everyone, therefore, punish people, hike up the prices of basics like health care, water, houses (all those mexican welfare queens coming in the emergency rooms and we have to pay for them, since our doctor’s precious time costs hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and the insurance companies large number of employees all need to get paid, when they are totally not necessary and just a huge burden and parasites on the system, they are the burden, not the welfare queens at the emergency room).

For example, with housing the idea of “location, location, location” determining the value of a house is another provoked problem, is another false association that comes to be because everyone wants the house in that particular location. There is no reason for such an idiotic contention of everyone fighting for the same spot, but the companies all end up setting up their offices in the hot spots (who can guess why ?, so as to increase the cost of living and housing there as much as possible), same with the “best schools”, etc. In an age of internet, where anyone can work from anywhere, and location should have become more and more independent (by telecommuting), it became even more important, and housing prices went even higher in the hot spots.

The 2 independent variables of the economy:

Housing: prices of houses and rents go as high as possible, and everyone is happy;

Work and Labor: the salaries can go as low as possible and everyone is happy.

No one ever connects these 2 variables, I wonder why? Because they are all brainwashed not to think and buy into the huge pile of crap they are fed everyday.

The fact is that people are being taken for a ride. Like the huge nuclear energy scare. I am not going into a debate on this because it is too technical anyways, everyone can say anything and the contrary forever, but one thing that is really absurd is this idea that there is no place to put the expired fuel. That is a lie, a lie that is fabricated so others can maybe make a lot of money by simulating a false problem. Just look at Libya: just 100 km from a small town called maradah you are in a complete desert, just build a large underground building there, maybe a few hundred meters deep and bury it all there. Problem solved, who cares. Same for trash and all kinds of excess waste, build large underground buildings in the desert, far from any place, and problem solved. Or just send rockets with all kinds of waste into the Sun, problem solved. And you could hire people building thousands of rockets.

Ah, no, you can’t do this, you can’t do that, there is this other “put any imagined, false, or provoked problem, or make believe excuse you want” reason that you can’t do it, etc.

The truth is everything could be done, but everything is conflict and lie based, as soon as a solution is found, a problem is generated, a conflict provoked, found and fought out, executed, the crappy “democratic process”, where all and any opposition to all and any logical solutions to problems will always block any kind of progress.

Like health care always inventing new tests, and new sicknesses, and new cures and pills and other worries and other impossible models that people should be. That creates work and activity by inventing and creating ever new problems you never knew you had, or targets that you would have never imagined you needed to reach, and tests, pills, operations and who knows.

I was reading how house prices have been generally increasing anyways in major cities worldwide (especially in the central - important - classy - fashionable areas, but also mid central areas) a bit everywhere like Moscow, Paris, Rome, New York, Los Angeles, Shanghai, Beijing, Seoul whatever. A little less in the USA, but generally the trend is up. When this happens, sooner or later, one way or another, you can be sure that those increases will slowly flow outwards towards the more suburban areas.

What this means is that money is used as a weapon, it is used to punish the poor, the more money the rich or wealthy have, the more trillions the capitalists hog up, the more money people have stashed away, the higher the prices of real estate (since there are not many other places to put money) and the less money the weaker classes have or are destined to have. It is really a perverted paradox, that money accumulates automatically, is destined to increase in fewer and fewer hands, and the MORE MONEY THE RICH HAVE THE LESS MONEY THE POOR WILL HAVE. Now, take that as a “trickle down effect”.

Also, this real estate war is a war between poor people, since this is one of the very few levers left to force someone to pay for a basic necessity (like health care and water are or will be, etc.), you can squeeze out as much cash as possible from this basic necessity and people will use it to the extreme to achieve this since profit from labor is no longer really possible and labor as opposed to real estate is worthless because no longer needed and necessary: another demonstration that only status relationships pilot the economy, only the power relationships really power the economy, all the talk of common good, and the correct solutions to problems is a bunch of BS fluff, there is no common good, only fights.

You would think that some kind of natural, “common sense” linearity, some simple cause and effect is operating, as in the more money that the capitalists and rich accumulate (and they are accumulating more and more billions everyday, no matter what because they are exploiting all the free wealth the Technological Economy generates automatically, while everyone else thinks that Free Salaries and Cheap Rents to the poor is “wrong” and “bad”: well great, the capitalists will just hog up all those trillions anyways) some of that will (or should) flow back to the weaker classes: nothing further from the truth, the more money they have the more forces and pressure operate to extract even more money from the weaker classes by hiking up real estate prices which translate into higher rents and/or mortgages hence even less money for the weaker.

And all of this happens while there is (and there will be) less and less real productive work available for millions in the future, putting downward pressure on all salaries, while the Technological Economy optimizes, automates, streamlines, outsources, and whatever else all the real productive labor needed, since this is the only labor that can be really measured, that has clear cut clause and effect mechanism, that has clear cut necessary manipulations (both physical and informational) in order to achieve real goals.

Since most “new jobs” will be in the services economy, and this is not measurable clearly, has no clear cut way to be evaluated, even here the downward pressure on salaries will increase, as usual.

So there you got it:

  1. more cash flows into the hands of the already super rich that are hogging and vomiting on trillions;

  2. They hike up prices of real estate starting from central major cities and slowly working outwards (and brainwash everyone that they must be home owners and not renters by making the prices of rents equivalent to the prices of mortgages so everyone, just like a brainwashed robot, thinks, lets “buy instead of rent” so we don’t throw “money out of the window”);

  3. The more money common slobs have to pay for a basic necessity; hence the less money the weaker classes have. And the less money is available for discretionary spending, optional spending which is where most of the new service economy jobs are anyways, so there goes down the drain job creation (along with some manufacturing jobs also since they can’t afford cars or furniture, etc.)

Now repeat 1, 2 and 3, in a positive feedback loop, accumulation of cash on top, depletion of cash for the majority of the middle and lower classes in the middle and on the bottom.

Therefore, just from this, you can see that the myth of population explosion and constant economic growth cannot be achieved from the outset: the system is set up to end up having fewer and fewer middle class families with less cash and since most people worldwide are now starting to be educated and are starting to use common sense, less children will be haved and borned.

From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/04/the-ba … stiny.html

Pat asks:

“How can the big corporations sell?
How can they make money?”

No one thinks in “general terms”, in “how will what I do effect the economy”: no, most corporations, capitalists, most people of all kinds just do what they can to achieve the maximum possible profit. They behave and make choices and act only according to their microscopic little corner of the world completely oblivious to any “Large scale effects”: and they do well, it is only natural, you would do (and do it) it too, and so would anyone else.

And in the USA (and other places) this means closing factories or offices and moving the jobs to places where they can pay lower wages. END OF STORY. They will do this no matter what, they still have a huge consumer market available in the USA and elsewhere despite the recession (which I think is overblown a lot, otherwise you wouldn’t still have a 7 trillion dollar a year consumer economy still humming along in the USA), they will keep on doing this until they can’t, namely offshore, hire in India, close offices, import Indian engineers for cheaper pay, etc.

The only way to offset this is to radically decrease the costs of the basic necessities that can’t be offshored or outsourced in any way: namely decrease the cost of housing radically by lower rents or mortgages and home prices, decrease the cost of health care radically, give a subsidized salary to all of those who can’t find work. And generally decrease salaries, but in such a way as to be appropriate to rents, so 800 dollar a month salary with homes renting for 200 dollars a month.

Will anyone do this ? NO. Does anyone even ask for this ? NO. So now, go on, and complain about how bad things are and will get.

Another interesting effect that has been occurring in the last 2 decades is that the price of housing, both rents and mortgages has often exceeded minimum wage, especially worldwide. In the USA, EU and JAPAN may not be so in certain areas and circumstances, but the trend is generally to make a rent exceed your puny minimum wage or close to exceeding (minimum wage 800 dollars, rent 600 dollars for a decent home).

How does this happen ? Builders, property owners, banks, corporations and you name any other forces all wanting to make profit out of property have been slowly but steadily hiking up the prices just as much as possible, just to the limit, to get the “average wage” hooked by a good 30 to 50 percent monthly. The hike is just enough to grab as much as possible out of labor money, but not enough to make it no longer possible to buy or rent. So there is this subtle window that is kept fixed, always just barely enough to make it for the worker but hugely profitable for builders, sellers, bank lending, etc.

But the result of this subtle game is that the minimum wage workers are practically completely cut off from this market. But no one notices, no one cares, everyone thinks they are rich by dumping almost half of their salary into a box in which to live. They think they are getting rich or making a deal: they are being hosed and everyone is playing along.

And this is even worse and truer in all the developing countries like Russia, Brazil, Mexico, etc. at least in the most sought after areas where jobs are: granted, an area with few jobs will give you a house cheaply, only you will have no money to live, and even in these areas, sometimes used as vacation housing, the prices are hiked way higher than they ought to be.

This tug of war, this power relationship is a proxy for pure power crushing the weak, forcing them to pay more, this is money and property used as a weapon.

You really shouldn’t do that. You end up hiding your valuable insights in a fog of conspicuous “lies” (although perhaps not as bad as hiding your lies in a fog of apparent truths).