Progressive Christianity

[turtle]

@phyllo

the problem phyllo is all the people waiting outside the church that want to return to jesus…
why aren’t they coming back…what do you suggest…

???

I have no idea what that means.

my church is Christian…with strong belief in god the father and the trinity
I know several people who do not come to my church…they would like to become members
but you cannot join the church if you cannot accept these two beliefs…
they would like to follow jesus…most of these people are women

[phyllo]

my church is Christian…with strong belief in god the father and the trinity
I know several people who do not come to my church…they would like to become members
but you cannot join the church if you cannot accept these two beliefs…
they would like to follow jesus…most of these people are women

If you don’t believe in a god, then you should not be going to a Christian church.
If you object to the word ‘father’, ignore it. Christians don’t think that God has male genitalia, or a beard, or a toga.
The trinity has been argued since the beginning. It’s such a weird concept that it could mean anything. Is there a practical meaning to the trinity? No.

[turtle]

@phyllo

my church is Christian…with strong belief in god the father and the trinity
I know several people who do not come to my church…they would like to become members
but you cannot join the church if you cannot accept these two beliefs…
they would like to follow jesus…most of these people are women

If you don’t believe in a god, then you should not be going to a Christian church.
If you object to the word ‘father’, ignore it. Christians don’t think that God has male genitalia, or a beard, or a toga.
The trinity has been argued since the beginning. It’s such a weird concept that it could mean anything. Is there a practical meaning to the trinity? No.

I do believe in god…that is why I go…but my ideas about god are not going to be diminished by some old ideas about god…my ideas of god are based on now… not 2000 years ago…

[phyllo]

I do believe in god…that is why I go…but my ideas about god are not going to be diminished by some old ideas about god…my ideas of god are based on now… not 2000 years ago…

Having read your posts, I don’t see how you can claim a belief in god. Unless you say “god is the universe” or “god is the ultimate reality of everything”. But why bother to do that?

[turtle]

@phyllo

I do believe in god…that is why I go…but my ideas about god are not going to be diminished by some old ideas about god…my ideas of god are based on now… not 2000 years ago…

Having read your posts, I don’t see how you can claim a belief in god. Unless you say “god is the universe” or “god is the ultimate reality of everything”. But why bother to do that?

why insist on a father god…why not a mother god…is there some magic formula that we must stick to as christians

[phyllo]

why insist on a father god…why not a mother god…is there some magic formula that we must stick to as christians

I created this thread in order to explore what qualifies as Christianity. I would say that a belief in a creator god, an afterlife and the wisdom and understanding of Jesus are the bare minimum requirements.

God has traditionally been described using masculine terms in Christian scripture and theology. While this has sometimes given rise to the idea that Christians consider God to be male,[citation needed] the majority of Christian denominations (with the notable exception of Mormonism) accept a God who transcends gender.

The Holy Spirit has variously been considered masculine, feminine, and non-gendered.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) #239 states, in reference to the Father: “God transcends the human distinction between the sexes. He is neither man nor woman: he is God.”[1][2] The CCC discusses the traditional imagery and language of God as Father.[2] It notes, however, that God is not limited to this role alone—maternal imagery are also used in the Bible.[2] It also notes that human fatherhood only imperfectly reflects God’s archetypal fatherhood.[2] God is referred to as masculine in Catholic teaching and practice.[

The Inclusive Language Lectionary published by the American National Council of Churches, to which many Protestant churches belong, states in its introduction “The God worshiped by the biblical authors and worshiped in the Church today cannot be regarded as having gender, race, or color.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of … ristianity

[turtle]

@phyllo

why insist on a father god…why not a mother god…is there some magic formula that we must stick to as christians

I created this thread in order to explore what qualifies as Christianity. I would say that a belief in a creator god, an afterlife and the wisdom and understanding of Jesus are the bare minimum requirements.

a creator god —must it be god in 3 persons

[phyllo]

a creator god —must it be god in 3 persons

I already wrote about the trinity.

Okay more : What does the trinity represent? God is in heaven, Jesus is on earth, the Holy Spirit is inside you.
God, the incomprehensible, beyond human understanding. God, in the form of Jesus, who walks the earth is understandable but separate from each individual. God, the integral part of the individual.

Why does it bother you so much?

[turtle]

@phyllo

a creator god —must it be god in 3 persons

I already wrote about the trinity.

Okay more : What does the trinity represent? God is in heaven, Jesus is on earth, the Holy Spirit is inside you.
God, the incomprehensible, beyond human understanding. God, in the form of Jesus, who walks the earth is understandable but separate from each individual. God, the integral part of the individual.

Why does it bother you so much?

I don’t believe in heaven
jesus is the same as you and me
there is only one god
the trinity is more than one god
I like monotheism not poly

[Ierrellus]

The trinity refers to aspects of one god, not to three persons.

[turtle]

@Ierrellus

The trinity refers to aspects of one god, not to three persons.

the trinity makes jesus a god to worship…not a man to follow…

[Ierrellus]

@turtle

@Ierrellus

The trinity refers to aspects of one god, not to three persons.

the trinity makes jesus a god to worship…not a man to follow…

No. Jesus said, “You can be as I am.”

[turtle]

@Ierrellus

@turtle

@Ierrellus

The trinity refers to aspects of one god, not to three persons.

the trinity makes jesus a god to worship…not a man to follow…

No. Jesus said, “You can be as I am.”

in my church they worship jesus …
I don’t think it is good to worship a man…

[Ierrellus]

Jesus never asked to be worshipped.

[turtle]

@Ierrellus

Jesus never asked to be worshipped.

Constantine changed that in 325 ad

[Ierrellus]

@turtle

@Ierrellus

Jesus never asked to be worshipped.

Constantine changed that in 325 ad

In what way? By edict or law?

[turtle]

@Ierrellus

@turtle

@Ierrellus

Jesus never asked to be worshipped.

Constantine changed that in 325 ad

In what way? By edict or law?

ier you better look at it yourself…it is a very important happening…

[Bob]

A “progressive Christianity” would appreciate the fact that their tradition is one of many, but no worse than any other, nor no better.

There is a need to weed out the aspects of all traditions which are malevolent to human kind, and pass beyond, to a benevolent tradition which unites human beings, rather than excluding those with other traditions from being part of the human race.

[Lev_Muishkin]

@Bob

A “progressive Christianity” would appreciate the fact that their tradition is one of many, but no worse than any other, nor no better.

There is a need to weed out the aspects of all traditions which are malevolent to human kind, and pass beyond, to a benevolent tradition which unites human beings, rather than excluding those with other traditions from being part of the human race.

I think we already have Humanism.

[Arminius]

Yes, we alraedy have humanism, thus: much more wars than ever before and especially much more terrible / terroristic wars than ever before.