Those clocks were showing different time because they were telling about the different works assgined or alloted to you. They were telling the status or your performence. You were shown your report card.
That is wrong. Subconscious also had the idea of the space and time, though it is different space-time zone from the conscious one. Secondly, the subconscious mind knows the space-time of the conscius mind as well. It can adjust if required.
with love,
sanjay
Yes, i woken up many times in such a way. And, it is not a a rare thing. Many people experience it many times.
And, that is proof that the subconscious mind is aware of all that is happening with conscious mind.
Normally, it the subconscious mind, that is stronger and dictate terms. It is more sort of one way traffic, from sunconscious to conscious. But, if the will of the conscious mind is strong enough in general or any particular case, the traffic can be reversed too and subconscous mind would start cooprating the conscious mind.
with love,
sanjay
I will add my next dream to this thread when it is fresh in my mind, but for now…
This dream still comes to mind, but each time it does it troubles me less.
You realize that a stingray is square, don’t you, just turned 45 degrees.
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even a hardcore materialist would have to admit that a dream is an emergent property of the interaction between a brain (its body (and the environment it is in…
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the dream is briccolage:
the way the brain loves superimposing one thing on the other
(it’s what we do when we create.
the dream is the love of god:
whatever it is.
The dream is us experiencing
when we could not be.
The dream is us when we’re sleeping.
Take that as a hit on you, Mag…
let’s duke it out.
Humean:
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watching…
Consider this a prayer:
love ya, man!!!
u2mag…
I love what I’m doing
(and I love you letting me do it.
I had a nightmare where I was in a room and had this weird technologically altered voice: much like the devil. I was listening to this technologically altered voice then saw the source of it walk around a corner then towards me…
Thinking about it, it seems no wonder that 70 to 80% of dreams tend to be negative in content:
it is always the product of consciousness seeking sleep:
the point at which it is no longer conscious.
This is the source of nightmares: nothingness.
As everyone has experienced:
Maj:
Sometimes when you’re slipping away:
You jolt:
just to prove that you still exist.
"Last week or so I started to reel off my dream to my sister one weekend day… I cant recall which - As I went to my bedroom door upon awakening… a light-blue coloured dog lay sleeping beside it in front of the standing mirror and refused to budge in spite of my shoves and protestations and pretended to continue sleeping, so I left it there pretending to sleep and went downstairs.
Upon entering the lounge I encountered a bird flying around the room, so I opened the garden door and tried to shoo it out as my sister looked on. She apparently hadn’t noticed the bird and regardless of my pointing it out to her she did nothing to help but just continued looking on.
It refused to be shooed back into the great outdoors, and just when it was nearly out nephew number one appeared at the kitchen hatch and started chatting obliviously away and the bird tried to fly through it, and after what seemed like minutes of trying to explain the situation to him he finally acknowledged the scenario and happily closed the hatch.
The bird was shooed out, the dog remained sleeping upstairs, and I remained baffled by everyone’s obliviousness to the scene I had encountered.
Are my family useless?"
Okay, let’s do this point by point:
"Last week or so I started to reel off my dream to my sister one weekend day… I cant recall which - As I went to my bedroom door upon awakening… a light-blue coloured dog lay sleeping beside it in front of the standing mirror and refused to budge in spite of my shoves and protestations and pretended to continue sleeping, so I left it there pretending to sleep and went downstairs.”
Okay, let’s start with the first part:
“Last week or so I started to reel off my dream to my sister one weekend day. I can’t recall which.”
Then:
“As I went to my bedroom door upon awakening… a light-blue coloured dog lay sleeping beside it in front of the standing mirror and refused to budge in spite of my shoves and protestations and pretended to continue sleeping, so I left it there pretending to sleep and went downstairs.”
Once again, Maj, about 70 to 80% of dreams tend to have negative effects. Science (dream science has actually discovered this ( And this says something about the human condition.
Did you feel like you were fighting for something throughout the dream?
I tend to have a lot of dreams that involve the frustration of a vague goal.
This dream could mean that your technological devices, say, your computer/cellphone are consuming your essence - you are becoming subsumed in the technology, hence why your voice turned technological ( with negative/satanic undertones ). Instead of people owning their devices, their devices end up owning them.
I have a lot of very fucked up dreams myself…
“This dream could mean that your technological devices, say, your computer/cellphone are consuming your essence - you are becoming subsumed in the technology, hence why your voice turned technological ( with negative/satanic undertones ). Instead of people owning their devices, their devices end up owning them.”
That’s actually a really good point Erik -one I hadn’t thought of. I generally consider these kinds of complex Freudian interpretations as overestimating the cognitive (the connective and metaphorical(its ability to create meaning (prowess of the subconscious. But yours actually works in that it takes into account the pre-lingual intuitions and feelings we tend to have. Thanks for today’s rhizome.
Rhizome 12/16/14:
Reference: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=185086&p=2514255#p2514255:
“I had a nightmare where I was in a room and had this weird technologically altered voice: much like the devil. I was listening to this technologically altered voice then saw the source of it walk around a corner then towards me…”
“This dream could mean that your technological devices, say, your computer/cellphone are consuming your essence - you are becoming subsumed in the technology, hence why your voice turned technological (with negative/satanic undertones). Instead of people owning their devices, their devices end up owning them.”
“That’s actually a really good point Erik -one I hadn’t thought of. I generally consider these kinds of complex Freudian interpretations as overestimating the cognitive (the connective and metaphorical (the ability to create meaning (prowess of the subconscious. But yours actually works in that it takes into account the pre-lingual intuitions and feelings we tend to have. Thanks for today’s rhizome.”
First of all, it’s refreshing to meet a self proclaimed right-wing libertarian like Erik who doesn’t seem to be working within a kind of tunnelvision. I praise him for his integrity.
That said, I think his point goes to something I recognized in myself via Jung. Contrary to popular notions about the introvert/extrovert dichotomy, it is not about being shy or social in nature, but rather a phenomenological matter of one’s relationship with the world of objects. For the introvert, everything starts in the self and ends in the self. They’re like the packrats of reality in that they tend to go into the world and collect objects (or impressions of them (which they can carry back to their own little holes (their mental labs (and work more comfortably with them. The extrovert, by comparison, works more comfortably in the world of objects.
But in order to truly understand how astute and observant Erik’s interpretation was, we should look at the maladies Jung attributed to each based on their relationship with the subconscious: that which he describes as a counterbalance to our conscious activities.
I would start with the malady that tends to afflict the extreme extrovert that results from the sub consciousness seeking to overwhelm the individual’s fixation on the world of objects. This can result in hysteria which we can see expressed in more fanatical expressions of right-wing views: such as we often see with the Tea Party. That said, I would also note here the lack of that in Erik’s approach given his calm composure throughout our discourse.
But more important to our point here is the malady that tends to haunt me as a devoted introvert. The problem for the introvert is that while they consciously retreat from the world of objects, they are, at a subconscious level, actually drawn to objects. This creates a kind of push-pull relationship with the world of objects that underlies my critical stance with Capitalism.
To give you a for-instance: I love what I’m doing on these boards. It is part of the daily meditation that keeps me centered. And I love approaching an empty space and being able to fill it with words and thoughts. Yet, every time, I wake up from it with this nagging voice that tells me I can’t do it anymore. I actually feel shame. This, in turn, has propped my reservations about the boards when it comes to the instant gratification of instant publication: the addiction involved. Hence, as Erik rightly points to, my reservations about technology and the Capitalism which rides on it.
Anyway, I hope with the next rhizome to get to what Erik has been asking for: the definition of the rhizome and what I’m doing with it –not just for him, but for everyone who has tolerated them on the boards.
Comme ca 
Exactly that… and with no support from anyone around me. They seemed like obstacles to my goals.
I tend to have a lot of dreams that involve the frustration of people pissing me off 
there are people everywhere in my dreams, and despite numerous interactions I am always left alone…
“I tend to have a lot of dreams that involve the frustration of people pissing me off there are people everywhere in my dreams, and despite numerous interactions I am always left alone…”
I certainly hope I don’t appear in your dreams.
That said, in reference to your latter point, I would point to what I refer to as Kafka chicks. Much as I have experienced in dreams, they always seem to throw themselves easily into my arms (much as they did K’s, then just as easily walk away which leaves me to search for them -usually in an amusement park for some reason.
I tend to experience a similar frustration in the amusement park dreams in which I am always trying to get on a ride but can’t seem to get to one.
In My Worst Possible Orwellian Nightmare:
You know? In my worst possible Orwellian nightmare, I imagine myself in a world where everywhere I go, I find myself confronted with the steady drone and shifting light of Fox News working in the background. No one really watches. They just attend to their mundane matters and idle chat until something catches their attention and, with a sudden glance and grunt of affirmation, they slip back into a state of pacification. In such a world, I can only imagine myself having to refuse every free lunch. Not today, I tell them with an air of graciousness. I’m always polite. But my mind is always reeling, always looking for some way out. It’s always pleading:
Look man! I’m not gonna watch Fox News with you.
Rhizome 5/27/16 in which I carry on thoughts about dreams without tying it down to Bogue’s book on Deleuze:
In tying my points down to Bogue and Deleuze, I neglected an answer I had developed as concerned Alexis’s question of why it is we dream, one that may be more fundamental than my point concerning its facilitating our evolution as a species.
Another concept we need to look at is intentionality: the fact (and may the wrath of Professor Strunk rest in its grave (that consciousness is always consciousness of something. In other words, in order for consciousness to exist, it has to, at bottom, perceive that it exists. It’s similar to the point that Descartes was getting at with his “cogito ergo sum.” And by some models of sleep patterns, there is a deep wave delta phase in which we experience nothing: the absence of consciousness. And at the risk of a anthropomorphic fallacy (even though it seems perfectly appropriate in this situation, isn’t there the possibility that consciousness, given the role of intentionality, might resist this state of nothingness: of not perceiving that it exists? I think of a line out of the movie Moonlighting by one of the elderly characters:
“I hate sleep! It’s too much like death.”
This would explain why, when we’re moving from a conscious to a sleep state, we have those twilight dreams (products of the beta state: we’re just laying there thinking until our thoughts become visual and something we fear comes at us and causes us to jolt awake. That would be consciousness resisting its own non-existence –that is until fatigue overcomes it. So it makes sense that the mind would create the dreams it does in order to be conscious of something.
We can take this phenomenological route to understand other aspects of dreams as well. For instance, we have all likely had the dream in which we’re running from something and finding ourselves unable to do so. As phenomenology describes: for every external event (noema), there is a corresponding internal event (noesis). Now think about when you’re running in the real world. What you’re working from and with is inertia and the mass of your legs. You basically ride on a kind of momentum. But that is a noematic phenomenon. Dream states, on the other hand, are pure noetic states. You have nothing more to work with than the veil of perceptions. Therefore, in that noetic state you completely lack the advantage of mass, inertia, and momentum.
This may also be why our dream landscapes always look so faded: in not confronting the noematic directly, we are always looking at the impressions (the recordings to use a Deleuzian term (left by it.
Lastly, as much I hate/and kind of love (maybe “like” would be a better word (being able to do so, I have to risk stealing the magic again. Lucid dreams are not what we think they are. I use to have them all the time. But what I eventually realized was that every time I did, I ended up doing the same thing: lift my legs under some force and start flying around. In other words, lucid dreams are not your conscious self participating in the dream. They are rather, your dream self (the same as in any dream (simply realizing they are in a dream as a kind of plot twist. At the same time, after I realized this, I did have another lucid dream in which I was in a house with my dead father. When I realized he was dead, I chose something different than flying. I realized I was free to grope every woman in the house and took full advantage. This, of course, is not something my real self would choose to do. And my father was a bit of a perv which suggests a bit of an associative connection.