Simple logic

Ha ha ha I just found this on the net about Buddhism, they do believe hell is temporary just like I said :slight_smile:
“Like all the different realms within cyclic existence, an existence in hell is temporary for its inhabitants”…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell

Hey, I’m having to teach Buddhists about their own religion now :wink:

I am no Buddhist nor do I claim to represent the Buddhist population. But my stance on you dying in a fire still stands :sunglasses:

Here is a site which will help you out a bit.

religioustolerance.org/buddhism4.htm

I am not a Buddhist nor do I claim to be the authority. I have studied Chan and Zen Buddhism mostly and those do not worry about the levels of Samsara. Some sects do believe in the Hindi like cycles of Earth. Therefore some do believe in hell. BUT, Buddhists still do not believe a shitty reincarnation is “no sweat”. It is a big deal. They want to end the cycle they go through. Being in hell for them is like someone to you who doesn’t belive in Christ. So said person would be no where near salvation, moksha or SATORI! So you did not teach me about a religion. You simply got information different then mine. Thanks for trying to be a good modest Christian tho #-o

Just more excuses with no evidence to back it up.
Something your brain can’t comprehend is false to you? That’s ridiculous.

Just using common sense here, but if the bible was politically twisted wouldn’t that cause contradictions?

Excuse me? What “excuses” have I made? You say JC was the only leader who has killed himself for his cause, I show you a others who have done the same thing. You say “if you are going to use the bible, use all of it” Do you realise how asinine a comment that is, considering you follow shortly with this inquisition?

You ask for contradiction? Take your own advice. If you’d read much of any of the Bible, you would be able to see contradictions left right and centre. If you need proof, do your own homework; read the damned Bible yourself,

God is incomprehensible by nature. This is why I don’t write Him of compleatly. A boat, big enough to hold two of every species (not taking into consideration the endless amount of time it would take to collect two of every species) is flat out silly. If you can’t see how rediculous of a notion that is, then you really don’t belong in a philosophy forum (unless you can somehow explain it in a manner that coincides with physics). I used that as the backbone of my argument. If you can take one part of the Bible as figurative, then it is beyond your abilities to decern with absolute certainty that any other part of the bible is cold hard fact.

Now, I ask of you a small task. Instead of writing off everything I say as groundless conviction, why not backing up one single thing you’ve said, without quoting the bible? I realise that your scriptures are all you really have outside of your intuition, but you have to realise that a 2000 year old book that is not a history text cannot be treated as such in the context of this argument.

Man…it sickens me to see how confused and tormented your brain is. I don’t believe I’ve used biblical quotes to back up as evidence once.
If you’d use the brain God gave you, you’d realize fitting two of every animal wouldn’t be that hard with basic animals. Not to mention the evidence of the Ark beening found atop mount Ararat.

Lol the best you can do is repeatively declare the Bible as some book that’s 2000 years old, that does nothing but make you look stupid.

Oh i’ve read the Bible. I trust me no contradictions have been found yet. Don’t be scared man, comon bring me these contradictions instead of asking me to give ones that haven’t been found.

You have to be joking.

philosophy forum, not a name-calling fest. Please stop, you are turning me off this forum.

No, you haven’t, becuase you haven’t backed up a single thing you’ve said with ANY sort of evidence, and I didn’t want you to start with a controversial source, as I am genuinly interested in a proper debate on this topic.

Show me once peice of “evidence”. A chunk of wood on a mountain doesn’t really amount to much of any evience for a claim that improbable.

I would gather much the opposite, friend. I point out the fact that it is not a history book, that is all.

Fine. I am not doing your homework for you, so here is a cut+paste job. I am sure there are some good ones in here, but if this doesn’t satisfy your curiosity, then I will compile a list of contradictions that I have personally grappled with over the years, to no avail.

God good to all, or just a few?

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
War or Peace?

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Which first–beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
The number of beasts in the ark

GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
How many stalls and horsemen?

KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
Is it folly to be wise or not?

PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

1 Cor.1:19: “For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and wil bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
Human vs. ghostly impregnation

ACT 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
The bat is not a bird

LEV 11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
LEV 11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
LEV 11:15 Every raven after his kind;
LEV 11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
LEV 11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
LEV 11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
LEV 11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

DEU 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.
DEU 14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
DEU 14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
DEU 14:14 And every raven after his kind,
DEU 14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
DEU 14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
DEU 14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
DEU 14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
Rabbits do not chew their cud

LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

‘Gerah’, the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also perhaps grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we can agree that that is irrelevant here). It does not mean dung, and there is a perfectly adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have been used. Furthermore, the phrase translated ‘chew the cud’ in the KJV is more exactly ‘bring up the cud’. Rabbits do not bring up anything; they let it go all the way through, then eat it again. The description given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and that’s that. Rabbits do eat their own dung; they do not bring anything up and chew on it.
Insects do NOT have four feet

LEV 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
LEV 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
LEV 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
Snails do not melt

PSA 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
Fowl from waters or ground?

GEN 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
GEN 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Odd genetic engineering

GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.
The shape of the earth

ISA 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

MAT 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Astromical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior surface from anyplace. The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete, sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.
Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt

GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Earth supported?

JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Heaven supported too

JOB 26:11 The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof.
The hydrological cycle

ECC 1:7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

JOB 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

Storehouses are not part of the cycle
Order of creation

Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

Note that there are “days,” “evenings,” and “mornings” before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as “Elohim,” which is a plural, thus the literal translation, “the Gods.” In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that “it was good.”

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam’s rib)

How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three “days.”
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

How satisfied with creation was he?
#1: God says “it was good” after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
Moses’ personality

Num.12:3: “Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the fact of the earth.”

Num.31:14, 17, 18: "And Moses was wroth…And Moses said unto them, “Have ye saved all the women alive? … Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman, … But all the women children … keep alive for yourselves.”
Righteous live?

Ps.92:12: “The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree.”

Isa.57:1: “The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart.”

Acts 1:18: “Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.”

Matt. 27:5-7: “And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests…bought with them the potter’s field.”
Jesus’ first sermon plain or mount?

Matt.5:1,2: “And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying…”
Luke6:17,20: “And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people…came to hear him… And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said…”
Jesus’ last words

Matt.27:46,50: “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” …Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.”

Luke23:46: “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, “Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:” and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”

John19:30: “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished:” and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.”
Years of famine

II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue. thee?

I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
Moved David to anger?

II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah.

I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Israel.
The GENEALOGY OF JESUS?

In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary is mentioned. Matthew 1:6-16 and Luke 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus. The first one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true? and also How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe that Jesus had/has no father.
God be seen?

Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9
God CAN be seen:
“And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.” (Ex. 33:23)
“And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.” (Ex. 33:11)
“For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” (Gen. 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
“No man hath seen God at any time.” (John 1:18)
“And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live.” (Ex. 33:20)
“Whom no man hath seen nor can see.” (1 Tim. 6:16)
CRUEL, UNMERCIFUL, DESTRUCTIVE, and FEROCIOUS or KIND, MERCIFUL, and GOOD:

“I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy.” (Jer. 13:14) “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.”

“The Lord is very pitiful and of tender mercy.” (James 5:11)
“For his mercy endureth forever.” (1 Chron. 16:34)
“The Lord is good to all, and his tender mercies are over all his works.” (Ps. 145:9)
“God is love.” (1 John 4:16)
Tempts?

“And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham.” (Gen 22:1)

“Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.” (James 1:13)
Judas died how?

“And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself.” (Matt. 27:5)

“And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.” (Acts 1:18)
Ascend to heaven

“And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.” (2 Kings 2:11)

“No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, … the Son of Man.” (John 3:13)
What was Jesus’ prediction regarding Peter’s denial?

Before the cock crow - Matthew 26:34

Before the cock crow twice - Mark 14:30
How many times did the cock crow?

MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.

MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice.

JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.
Who killed Saul

SA1 31:4 Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.
SA1 31:5 And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise upon his sword, and died with him.
SA1 31:6 So Saul died, and his three sons, and his armourbearer, and all his men, that same day together.
SA2 1:15 And David called one of the young men, and said, Go near, and fall upon him. And he smote him that he died.
How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount

MAT 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
MAT 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
MAT 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
MAT 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
MAT 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
MAT 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
MAT 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
MAT 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

LUK 6:20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.
LUK 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
LUK 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.
LUK 6:23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.
Does every man sin?

KI1 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

CH2 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Who bought potter’s field

ACT 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
ACT 1:19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

MAT 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
MAT 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in.
MAT 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.
Who prophesied the potter’s field?

Matthew 27:9-10 (mentions Jeremy but no such verse in Jeremiah) is in Zechariah 11:12-13
Who bears guilt?

GAL 6:2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

GAL 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
Do you answer a fool?

PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
How many children did Michal, the daughter of Saul, have?

SA2 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

SA2 21:8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:
How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?

KI2 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother’s name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

CH2 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.
Marriage?

Proverbs 18:22
1 Corinthians 7 (whole book. See 1,2,27,39,40)
Did those with Saul/Paul at his conversion hear a voice?

ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

MAR 1:12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

JOH 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;

(various trapsing)
How many apostles were in office between the resurection and ascention?

1 Corinthians 15:5 (12)
Matthew 27:3-5 (minus one from 12)
Acts 1:9-26 (Mathias not elected until after resurrection)

MAT 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
Judging

1 Cor 2:15 “The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment:” (NIV)

1 Cor 4:5 “Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.”
Good deeds

Matt 5:16 “In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.” (NIV)

Matt 6:3-4 “But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secert. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.” (NIV)
For or against?

MAT 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
(default is against)

MAR 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.
(default is for)

LUK 9:50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
(default is for)
Whom did they see at the tomb?

MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.

MAR 16:5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

LUK 24:4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

JOH 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
God change?

malachi 3:6
james 1:17
1 samuel 15:29
jonah 3:10
genesis 6:6
Destruction of cities (what said was jeremiah was zechariah)

MAT 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

zechariah 11:11-13
(nothing in Jeremiah remotely like)
Who’s sepulchers

acts 7:16
genesis 23:17,18
Strong drink?

proverbs 31:6,7
john 2:11-11
When second coming?

MAT 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

MAR 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

LUK 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

1 thessalonians 4:15-18
Solomon’s overseers

550 in I Kings 9:23
250 in II Chron 8:10
The mother of Abijah:

Maachah the daughter of Absalom 2 Chron 9:20

Michaiah the daughter of Uriel 2 Chron 13:2
When did Baasha die?

26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8

36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chron 16:1
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?

22 in 2 Kings 8:26

42 in 2 Chron 22:2
Who was Josiah’s successor?

Jehoahaz - 2 Chron 36:1

Shallum - Jeremiah 22:11
The differences in the census figures of Ezra and Nehemiah.
What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?

scarlet - Matthew 27:28

purple John 19:2
What did they give him to drink?

vinegar - Matthew 27:34

wine with myrrh - Mark 15:23
How long was Jesus in the tomb?

Depends where you look; Matthew 12:40 gives Jesus prophesying that he will spend “three days and three nights in the heart of the earth,” and Mark 10:34 has “after three days (meta treis emeras) he will rise again.” As far as I can see from a quick look, the prophecies have “after three days,” but the post-Resurrection narratives have “on the third day.”

Oh you can take more versus out of context and do waaayyy better than that, that’s pathetic. I don’t have time to answer ‘everyones’ questions one by one since you don’t have an open mind to hear them anyhow. I will copy and paste as for the first question or contradiction as you call it.

RESPONSE:
The questioner has proven that he is capable of removing a text from its context, and attempting to set it against other texts removed from their context. He has by no means proven that God is inconsistent in His character, nor that the Bible contradicts itself.

Both Jeremiah 13 and 1 Samuel 15 deal with situations where a group of people were due judgment upon them for disobedience or evil conduct. The other texts mentioned (James 5:11; 1 Chronicles 16:34; Psalm 145:9; 1 John 4;16) express the Lord’s goodness upon those who are obedient to His will.

The apostle Paul wrote, “Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.” (Romans 11:22) God’s goodness is upon some, His severity upon others. Our conduct before Him is what determines which is upon us.

There is no contradiction.

And to your last question. Jesus died and rose three days later, on the third day…I don’t see how this is contradicting to anything.

Don’t let them put you off, most people here engage in decent philosophy!

I know, I’m tired of people name calling. If their going to say something they should give their opinion on how a person is being, and what has happened to their brain by your beliefs. I can’t wait to finally see some ‘decent’ philosophy. I’ve just been seeing stupid close-minded arguments.

When logic fails, brutality conquers. Or harsh words.

When someone can’t comprehend simple logic you are bringing, you get frustrated and then say you’re fed up with someone’s mindset. This doesn’t mean logic has failed, it means frustration has occured. Oh wise observer.

Uhh…how hasn’t traditional logic failed when someone cannot ascertain the logical fallacies in their argumentum? Frustration causes the degeneration of the rational aka logical mind. Frustrations roots lie in our primoridial brain where logic does not occur but rather our basic instincts. So I will explain this to you more simply. Logic = a higher faculty. Frustration/Anger = a lower faculty. Therefore once logic fails people resort to their more basic side. Read some psychology and neurology reports on how anger reverts the brain then get back to me.

KTHNXBYE Club.

:evilfun:

Lets say for instance two men we’re debating. One was a ignorant jerk, the other was extremely intelligent. The intelligent man knew what he was saying was totally logical but the ignorant jerk didn’t understand it. After many many many debates with this man, the intelligent man finally said what he thought in his mind, this guy’s an idiot. Not for name calling purposes but for a logical evidence behind it. The ignorant man was actually ignorant. It wasn’t name calling, it wasn’t to tangently run away with the discussion, it was out of frustration for the man’s real stupidity.

Do you understand now? Maybe you should take a Critical thinking class.

If what you say is true, every person gets frustrated because they’re wrong. You wanna see how far you can get teaching that to people?

Everyone get’s frustrated. To say that they do because they’ve failed in their logic is just plain stupid, that’s the truth, not because my logical side failed, I believe it’s stupid.

BTW I am gonna show you something Club.

Ironically these posts are statements by you as well…

[qoute] This doesn’t mean logic has failed, it means frustration has occured. Oh wise observer.
[/quote]

Guess you aren’t the poster child for philosophical discussions you think you are.

Guess you aren’t the poster child for philosophical discussions you think you are.
[/quote]

1st quote. I still agree with what I said. – Taken out of context.
2nd quote. Still agree- Taken out of context as well.
3rd quote. I’m not even sure if I can remember what I posted that after- Still taken out of context.
4th quote. I do! What’s the problem with stating truth? he went insane.
5th quote. That was after a long logical explanation. - Again taken out of context.
6th quote. I still agree, I believe that.- Don’t think this was taken out of context but you don’t have the question I answered.
7th quote. I still agree. – Taken out of context as well.
8th quote. Frustration with his close-mindedness. - Should have showed the debate.
9th quote. Not sure what that went to. -hmmm must have been taken out of context.
10th quote. True, the versus are taken out of context. What’s the problem?
11th quote. I made a good point. Taken out of context as well. Expression of opinion.
12th quote. I still agree. I posted back from the man’s stupidity and close-mindedness, should have posted what he said.

You’ve solved nothing. You’ve only commited slander. Hope you’re proud of yourself.

“Guess you aren’t the poster Child for Philosophical discussions you think you are.”---- Satori

Guess you aren’t either.

Never said I was unlike you :slight_smile:

Oh so I suppose you were practicing “decent” philosophy in all of these? And they are not out of context when you said them then bitch about people not using real philosophical skills.

BTW how is slander showing statements from you?

I am simply showing you your inequities or pearls of wisdoms you are leaving.

And you are what like 18? And yet you say my critical thinking is flawed?

I looked at the larger biological reasoning for frustration while you used an ignoramus? You should really read some Moore to understand the ideas behind higher faculties etc.

How did I say they were wrong? I just said logic can fail to help people obtain a message. Man…maybe YOU should take some reading comprehension classes.

Once again logic was used as a notion of a higher faculty. Then frustration which lies in the lower faculty category kicks in. And frankly the only thing I have found stupid would be your reasoning and reading comprehension here. And frankly it makes Baby Jesus cry :cry:. Those who rule by logic would not resort to name calling etc. But everything gets frustrated from rats to humans. Read Harold Bloom’s Lucifer Principle. Oh wait it has Lucifer’s name in it so you won’t.

Club29,
No one is perfect. Me nor you. Don’t be a hypocrite. And open your mind a bit.

:evilfun:

I was practicing Decent philosophy, but not ever word I write has to be decent philosophy does it? You don’t.

Ah hah. Logic “can” fail. That doesn’t mean logic always has to fail for someone to get frustrated, just as in my case. So if it wasn’t “will” fail than why did you post something irrevelant to the debate? And even then you still did.

My mind is open until the point where I see my correct Logic. Then for what reason would I have to change it. I’m only wrong because you may think so. You’ve given no reason as to how my logic is wrong yet.

By the way I understand I’m not perfect. None of us are, not even mick. But maybe you should quick holding a grudge against Christians and pick on someone else, like nohotdogbuns. He’s just full of his stereotypical attitude toward Christians and our ways.

Whatever the case. This isn’t a courthouse. This is a debate forum am I right? So why don’t we get back to the topic.

I’m bored. Is this thread about something? I think I’d like to participate if it is.

Club I think some of the guys on here a correct. I think your ARE Mick in England…You never post threads at the same time as Mick…( you cant be logged on at the same time)

[quote=“Uccisore”]
I’m bored. Is this thread about something? I think I’d like to participate if it is.[/quote

The lastest real topic was about how nohotdogbuns thought he found contradictions in the Bible, but really he only took them out of context to make them look contradicting.