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To the aforementioned skeleton , the image still pretty pronounced in my mind, little cam be added, the basic stiff is probably enough, to evoke this retro fitted co sciousness of what You call naturally selected natural selection , where
on backward look, the imagination can and does elaborate, embellish, by virtue of the missing links while looking back into the processes of integration betweem
image and thought. That the process is goal oriented by virtue of some change , is verified by Leibnitz’ integral quantification , leading to curved space elucidated by Einstein.

That it is so, primarily was not realized by the geometers, infinity of the spjwricallu curved earth was the beginning, where really, there was for a very long time no reason to reject the notion of dropping off when coming to the end of what could be expected to be perceived.

The imagination was for a long time one dimensional, auditory-literal, you saw what you perceived, what you heard from what they thought you.

Isolation was in fact preferred, because of the paradoxical nature of absolute identity, through which a pre existent object could transpire or transcend it’self through others who shared every objective .

Mystical hermetic philosophy is still present in hermeneutics, its still present as a thema causa. and it has retained its qualitative necessity from Plato’s paradox particularly through Meno. I guess it was a.conscious decision on my part to choose that name.

Looking back, the advance to the naturalistic fallacy, coming much later, of a Kantian affirmation of the equal validity of a ‘should’ type proposition with a factual ‘is’ type, is beginning to haunt many forms of epistemology.

Lets give one example.

Let’s say, the nuclear miracle comes close to throw a fast ball and reduce the distinction between the ideas that the nuclear invention lead to a good thing, and the opposing idea that it will eventually lead to a less optimistic evaluation of it, coinciding with Hobbes’ negative view of the formation of the social co tract, and man will misadapt the invention toward self destruction rather them self betterment.

This view has more.resonance when the question of existential fear is entered into the equation.

It goes to argue that the loss of faith accompanying the death of God, will instill more, not less fear and uncertainty into man, having the capacity to St and on his own, without feeling cut off from god , and as am extension, extending goodness through god to his fellow man.

Man will more.likely to continue to objectify each other, losing the touch with which and through which, they can experience each other, even at the cost.of subjugation, through ideal objects. The absolute objective being unknown , a mystery, shrouded but effective in holding this holistically bound creation together.

Another source of reasoning comes not merely from seeing the image of the simulation of god, but through the use of the human mind. extending through artificial intelligence, of actually simulating reality at will.

Something has.to replace god, and science in its absolute infancy, is a precarious creating force.

Infancy, since the question answered is overwhelming in am indivisible indubidable affirmative that science must have bore fruit many places, at many times in this infinitum of universes, and this one we live in is no exception. Therefore , we place way too much value on science, and too little on what.went on before it and none of all on what will happen after it, if there is an after.

The reason I say that is not that I have seen Mad Max too many times, but lets.face it, there will come a time where the application will overcome . when the Hunter will become hunted, and AI will destroy those who think their mind is better equipped to handle humankind then that intelligence , which for the most.part, has lost.touch almost.near.absolutely with those, whose programming has become irrelevant to the objective toward which and by which, man’s survival can be extended.yet a bit.

That this is coming soon. has also been predicated in a reasonable way.

Now I’m coming to Your very interesting concept of selecting naturally the natural selection of determined courses of evolution.

If it is safe.to say that.Nature works absolutely on the level of absolute sustenance of Being, then that Absolute is a built in guarantee of imminent guarantee for the survival of.Humanity, and the idea of transcendence will be based.merely on a singular images of certain mystical and religiously inspired visions. The capacity to transcend the apparent instability of a singularly envisioned image, then, can connect.with the actual unity within two contradictory forma within and without the same eigenblick, or instant(for eternity singularly is but an immeasurable instant In the curviture of reality, the ultimate reduction unto a undifferentiable formal difference, as it approaches absolute limits.

That this idea , say in a million years, will become so politically and psychologically dangerous, for reasons that existence will be totally nihilized. where absolute fear will totally neutralize any meaningful effort to create and recreate within the most far off image of.simulation, ; this Nature will disallow.

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Nature does not destroy itself, cosmological my, her self.destruction is evident through observations of black hole processes and star explosions . yet again the constant
reorganization is a given, because She is here, and if the above constant regeneration, not in a partial way but in accordance to the absolute simulation. then Her (The Universal) nature cam not allow an absolute break up or disintegration .

For a long time and even now, maybe, I suggested that universal consciousness consists only virtually as a single point in eternity, and as senseless it appears, it may be the very absolute pin, holding all the near infinite existential layers together.
The metaphoric realm of angels have.long held this: Angels dancing on the top of a pin. I am not claiming originality, and it would be interesting g to find out who and how came up with a cosmological reductive absolute in this manner. I will try to go d out and get back to You shortly.

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Ralph Cudworth, The True Intellectual System of the Universe, 1678
: : [According to Merriam Webster’s Biographical Dictionary , he “Sought in his magmum opus, The True Intellectual System of the Universe , to establish a supreme divine intelligence, to refute determinism, to justify moral ideas, and to establish free will.”]

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Little time forces us to confine as much information into an analogy or some form of imagery through language, to depict deeper explanations of which purvey what is important in knowing and understanding regarding self and the intricate complexities in/of reality of which become simplistic to the mind after understanding aspects to what reality is, in present moments of continuity. The deeper an understanding the easier it is to portrait such for the minds of others, if accepting. It’s like a puzzle. Like doing a puzzle individually and also being a piece in a puzzle, collectively.

Two or three doors, we weed out what is logical and reasonable from the imagination and try to avoid what is exaggerated or noise and the imagination is great for serving the purpose of an understanding of something due to the visualization and imagery that may be attached to information to be correlated by the syntax of logic/reason.

I will respond more, hopefully later today.

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It’s as if we are a timeless awareness confined to a present moment, which this confinement to present moments of continuity is what causes the illusory ideas and living for desire, a lack of education as well typically but it is mainly the present moment that confuses us most or is the thorn of which causes such. The imagination is as if it’s an older or wiser individual (collective) trying to communicate through imagery to the conscious individual, maybe in ones own mind it is themself, just at a later time and thought, of which is why it appears new or not thought of before. A timeless alternative of events perhaps. By showing a future image, if properly correlated it may alter or manifest depending on the individuals outlook on such. This collective is past and future, no discretion in the unconscious/subconscious and even determinism could prove such by cause and effect, though the power behind the collective, I believe it has the possible power of showing Imagery based on ones humility and intent/seeking that is of future intent, an effect without cause of which this future idea or imagery ‘is’ the cause of itself. So it operates as both the motivator and effect of such. It seems paradoxical.

There really is no drop off to perceiving I’d say, evolution changes it and it evolves by its very function as perception.
Perhaps imagination evolves as long as perception and awareness does. The collective only grows and the imagination is a possible tool of the collective, imagery because imagery is the most potent way one can understand and use to attach information and even a blind man has to imagine his world under the darkness of his own lids and lack of vision.

Isolation or confinement was easier because power may be used in a more absolute and in a single direction without any preventive, the only down side to this absolute power is it could not expand itself through a confined state, it has to split itself and with diversity, to evolve itself and after the game is won and the pieces are done being aligned we as diverse unique individuals can unite to confine this power toward a common goal, which is the primary goal now. There are little limitations to a unified conscious species but it seems man only does this under extreme threat or some form of coercive/desire based promise.

It is not as mystical as one may think or believe. Alchemy and the hermetic principles apply also to the mind as well as the transmutation of elements into newer and more refined elements/ideas, ever expanding. What science did was take the aspects of the mind out of it and the philosophies regarding the spiritual nature of man and instead replaced it with empirical chemistry, the transmutation of matter, mainly. This has caused a huge issue for man and also with man’s stigmatized view of religion after their poor choice of usage as a tool.

It is what it is or it can be what it could be. That’s for one to decide, how they decide is up to the individual. A confined infinity to present continuity, gets to choose a number of times before death, based on their projecting the self or archetype or ones choosing and what aligns, with what feels natural to one. Epistemology haunts itself by forming its narrowed and biased views of tools that man corrupts on his own then blames the tool later on. This is based on the foundation of a narrow outlook toward ‘god’ and ‘religion’.

Man misuses tools wrongly in general. This is part of their current nature stemmed out of ignorance, to remain in a comfortable bias once arrived, which majority of man is trapped in today. Mans nature is not meant to be comfort or satisfaction, it is pain and adaptation. The comfort stays due to the ignorance of the bigger threat toward humanities own self preservation. The triangle grows bigger and harder to climb as you reach the top of the previous, so why climb at all? Why not just stay at the top of one pyramid and pay no attention to the next above the point of the last? Preservation or the lack of, but the ignorance prevents such being known as a real threat.

This is what is currently happening for the mass or bulk of humanity, they ignore the lessons and so they perish. Willful ignorance is fed with and by death. Biases and comfort kills. They think to find comfort in logic solely, fools. To ignore their own intuitive nature and reason for reason.

Of course they will. The objectification of subjective multiple realities able to be manifested through and by nature. The objective is to evolve. That’s nature in its essence and if such is to be ignored, nature will act ruthlessly in its exterminating mankind to start over with a fresh consciousness in some other form of physical manifestation.

The image of god is connected to the human mind and it feeds through the imagination, man’s imagination is gods hand, do not bite the hand that feeds. We may manifest reality at will as well, it is just difficult when man keeps the intelligence confined to ignorance through high ratio of I/I, ignorance to intelligence. Artificial intelligence may end up being better at such and avoiding the traps of willful ignorance and perhaps a ratio of I/I may be non-existent if a one single AI, I do not know for sure.

We do not replace god, we manifest it by a collective alignment of our infinite confinement to present moments of continuity. Science is merely another tool of it, we progress such through imagination and if it was never meant to be progressed we would have never been given gods hand, creativity, reason. We rise back to our state of god hood collectively. This is an issue yes, man has tools of logic without reason and so the inevitable destruction of self occurs. Logic without reason, objective without subjective when it is possible more of reality is subjective than objective, to an individual. Just like how man removed the important aspects of transitioning to chemistry from alchemy. Empirical objective only, no subjectivity or reason allowed.

If AI does not destroy humanity, we will destroy ourself if continuing down this current path of self annihilation via bias and an overly assertive logic and lack of creativity/reason.

Not necessarily survival of humanity, survival of consciousness. It will re-manifest inevitably, even if mankind destroys mankind, consciousness will be back in human or some other physically manifested life form. Transcendence can occur if we start taking our own selves serious and our being a confined timeless awareness with power through balance of logic/reason and an exercised readily available, intuitive nature. We must learn to appreciate diversity outside of biases, this is the key to avoidance to a cease of evolution on both sides. Not becoming the same or a non-differentiation between us as individuals but instead of a becoming similar, we merely respect or seek to understand these differences while promoting them. It’s a balance, all is balance, nature seeks it in everything.

It depends on us here and now ultimately. To have power, one must know how to use it justly and effectively. It can be dangerous but evil does not manifest unless man manifests it by attaching it to imagery, the values of man are attached to the imagery and idea, just as information binds through change/experience to form it. We have a lot of weight on our shoulders but man has not fell yet and nature is rooting for us, it is why it has not wiped us out completely yet, only lessons to be learned.

Here is something I wrote, a small simplistic analogy to better help understand the mind educating itself through future tense imagery.

“The stomach eats the body when it needs, the spirit(collective) educates the mind when it seeks.“

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Nature recycles, the idea of humanity may be destroyed but not its energy and what has happened, merely forgotten, like we have done with other civilizations and species that went extinct. It will always be.

It is inevitable that it was a confined single point at some period in time way back. It expanded by its need for something more, space was available.

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Everything that has and is and will be is contained within Existence which is a single state - though one that is in a constant state of change
We are but only one point on this spectrum and from a purely objective perspective are no more or no less important than any other one is

We occupy a temporary point in space and in time and then we will be no more just as we were nothing before we came into existence
There are some universals - something must always exist and everything is in eternal motion are probably the two most fundamental
There will come a time when there will be no evidence we existed - so life is temporary and death is permanent is another universal

Death is not a negative - that is how it is almost universally perceived because of fear of the unknown - but is actually the end of all suffering which is a positive
The thing to be feared is life as fear can only be experienced by a functioning mind and when the mind can function no more it is the beginning of eternal peace

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Agree, life is precious, do what makes you happy with causing the least amount of harm. I wouldn’t say life should be feared, but wasting it rather, entangling oneself in traps of the mind and deluding oneself. Death is the liberation of ones mind and individuality. It will set you in stone forever in time collectively and physically, if you’re a good being. In some cases, those whom appear to be bad individuals have also been set in stone, as reminders, lessons to be learned and wary of.

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Perception also can travel in time. Dreams, remote viewing,etc. pre-determinism

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One could say that death is brief rest, since all things recycle eternally.