Not exactly a hundred people in the congregation, and admittedly “80% are our family” …
Inbreeding anyone?
Who’s humping mommy in the pulpit today?
no joke. From five hundred feet, they can still yell and disrupt the services. Who gives a fuck about about politics. Any culture with any dignity has to respect the mourning family.
we don’t know. The phelps might, they are in that category to me of possibly being armed or mass suicides (which in most cults inclues all the children as well) good point.
ps. the phelps came to my town of boise, idaho last year. It was awesome. They came to one of our parks and tried to install a monument that celebrated teh killing of a gay boy in whyoming based on the notion of free speech. The city of boise said, “get the fuck out.”
scythe - okay, you resort to phrases like “thinking out your ass”. That tells me a little more about you.
The relative “badness” of this group has got nothing to do with it. We do not sensibly compare every bad actor only to the worst. I do not have to comment on that kind of “logic”. This is not about christianity, or about any knee-jerk reaction you have that causes you to mitigate what these people are. This is about nutjobs.
I am nothing like a liberal. This has got nothing to do with the way these wackos vote. That video, and that cult have got nothing to do with radical muslims. It is you who is feigning here, and you who is introducing a comparison out of thin air. You bring in the Klan. Mine is nothing like an anti-christian view here. I couldn’t care less what thier religious beliefs are.
And it’s not just opinions here. They took action. You can state an opinion in a cafe. They were on the streets, trying to cause hurt to people who are grieving. Scum.
You may rant all you like about christians, the Klan, muslims - what are you talking about? Who cares? These are wackjobs that should be curbed, jailed, or exterminated. I don’t care what their beliefs are. You are just making this stuff up, and trying to put words in my mouth. You have no idea how I view the Klan, or muslims, or christians.
Get back to me when your reading comprehension skills improve.
yeah because holding a sign really hurts…
Scythe - your last post - our democracy is not a majority-rule only system. It’s also rights-based, and includes protection of the rights of minorities. You evidently don’t like the system. I do not like rights-based systems myself. I am not a liberal, and would do away with all rights. But your description is just plain incorrect. It is what it is, and your ignorance of the character of the american system won’t change that.
Again, scythe - you defend them. I think I should just let you. It says more about your kind than I could.
Freedom, means you don’t have to respect anything.
of course, like all liberals, you’re only okay with free spech you agree with…
I don’t agree with this speech, I think it’s extremely disrespectful. Moronic. idiotic. and spiteful.
You know what though?
You can TUNE IT OUT. You don’t have to look at their signs. You don’t have to listen.
If I didn’t socialists like yourself would whine about it and try to suppress it, merely because you disagree.
of course, that’s a fascist behaviour as well, so pick your extreme.
holding a sign that says what those signs say is disgusting at a funeral and really really does hurt.
The funeral is not a place to play politics or religion, it is a place respected for families who just had one of their family members killed.
Protesting is fine. But how would you feel if one of the members of your family was shoot to death, and as you go to the funeral, ripped up inside with explicit pain had to be interupted as psycho’s are waving big signs that say, “god hates you.”
That is fucken sick.
our democracy is a majority rule system… the whole “rights” protection thing is bogus anyways. What rights? what happened to responsibility?
As I said, this behaviour was irresponsible, but no one talks about that… merely “rights”. You have the right to complain about minorities, and they have the right to protest them.
You have the responsibility to ignore them. You don’t have the right to suppress them.
Protection of minorities has merely enslaved them to the system. They would’ve been better off WITHOUT such protection. Look at black communites that were fostered with such government protection. Most are slums, and a few are WORSE than slums.
Hooray for socialist intervention to try and equalize us!
so are you conservative?
authoritarian?
anarchist?
Socialist?
Fascist?
Rights are an important expression of freedom and responsibility. Without rights, people cannot express responsibility.
Of course you obviously don’t care about self-responsibility. You think the government should be responsible for some great “equalization”.
Bunch of crap, no matter which side of the political fence you suppose you sit yourself upon.
no no… it’s your ignorance of some supposed great equality.
you know like all of your kind know, that the only way we can have equality is to eliminate differences.
AGAIN, if it was an IslamoFascist they’d be running in with a bomb strapped to their chest praising allah.
Would you prefer that?
I agree.
IGNORE IT.
If you pay attention to it, you are giving them exactly what they want.
If a sicko was waving signs that said god hates me I’d ignore it and laugh at them.
I know not to take sicko’s personally. Do you?
Old-Gobbo
The proper nomenclature is ‘bag-lady’.
I think the overall point here that Scythe was trying to make was that these people are scum-bags, but that it’s still a good thing for America in general and Christianity in particular that this is as bad as Christian, American scumbags get. I guess Islamic scumbags get a lot worse- whether that has something to do with temperment, religious creed, or just the fact that the scumbaggery element has greater control in the Middle East than in the States, I don’t know. But I want to know a couple things here:
Faust: Are you saying that these sorts of things should be illegal, or are you just reacting to what seems like a defense from scythekain?
Scythekain- are you saying that what these people do in the video is a moral act based on an incorrect belief, or an immoral act that’s not as bad as some others?
For my own views- this situation is extremely unfortunate. It's unfortunate that homosexuals and liberals have forced this issue upon the people, and stirred up the hornet's nest. It's unfortunate that these ignorant, scared, and mean people are presented as speaking for Christianity at large. It's unfortunate that we're in a cultural war, and that all wars have atrocities. It's just plain unfortunate.
scythe - I have no idea what you are talking about. Mine is not a political view at all. I hold no political “ism”. I do not know what all this ranting is about.
Islamofascists?
You’ve really got me laughing now.
Would I prefer that? Is that my only choice?
I guess everything is politics to you. You are projecting.
They are wackjobs. Does repetition help here? This is a mental health/public safety/quality of life issue. I am not on any side of any political fence. You assume a lot. All the world does not see that world through purely political eyes. I admit that your posts are entertaining.
This is not an equality issue. You write as if you know me, as if you know my politics. I have not revealed any politics. I have no regard for egalitarianism.
These people are nutjobs that should not be allowed to spew their venom anywhere they like. They should ignore the funeral, by your “reasoning”.
You are showing your true colors, whether you mean to or not.
This is a moral issue. I am not a liberal, nor tolerant, nor interested in political rights - you have no idea what I am talking about because you can see this only through your own myopic Religious Right view, evidently.
I say - kill them, jail them, or silence them. They are nothing but destructive punks. I do not care what banner they hide behind. I’ve been dealing with punks my whole life. They are just punks.
that is my point, but it won’t sink in…
It’s an immoral act, that’s not NEARLY as bad as others. and unlike other worse activities you can ignore it. So they’re holding a sign that says god hates fags… the majority of the people in here complaining about the fucking sign don’t even believe in god.
So what do you care if some imaginary being hates them?
I think people need to learn true tolerance. Tolerance means tolerating other behavior (to a certain extent, lines must still be drawn when it comes to truly physically harming others. and forcing others to be brainwashed by propaganda… COUGH scientology.) no matter how strongly you disagree with it.
If you don’t like a behavior the best course of action is to ignore it… when fox televised it, they gave Phelps exactly what he wanted.
when you bitched about it and called for banning such behaviour… you again give him exactly what he wants.
If I wave a sign around an atheist hall saying “god hates atheists”…
what do you care?
It’s my opinion, in poor taste.
Am I forcing my opinion down your throat? Am I bombarding your home with flyers? No.
Does the atheist even care what god thinks of him?
No.
Yet THEY will complain… as all of you have proven here.
Maybe you do really believe in god’s opinion?
faust,
I only pretend to know you because you pretend to know me.
LMAO.
yeah, I’m religious and I’m right.
LMFAO.
here’s the part of your post I really love though:
and how do we deal with a moral issue?
oh that’s right, because murdering, jailing and silencing those expressing their opinions is moral behaviour…
Uccisore - I am saying that these people should be neutralised by any available means. A legal one is preferable, and usually available - but that is an instrumental preference only.
I am also reacting to scythes defense, mostly because it is a dishonest one. It’s the dishonesty that I react to.
This has nothing to do with christianity - these people are nuts, and have chosen christianity to express their nutness. That is a side issue. Why christians must feel defensive about this I do not know.
Ucci - to say that homosexuals have forced this issue is also myopic. Homosexuals have been forced to remain hidden for a long time. They are only asking to be allowed to live freely.
There are extemist homosexual groups, yes. But they do not represent the majority of homosexuals, just as these wackos do not represent the majority of christians.
Nothing excuse the behavior of these nutsos. Not religion, nor politics. I don’t care if they worship elm trees. Nuts are nuts.
This issue is polarising if we allow it to be. I am not talking politics, I am talking punks.
scythe - killing wrongdoers comes right out of the Bible. There is a longstanding tradition of this. There is nothing immoral about killing miscreants. There is nothing immoral about sanctions against bad actors. Sanctions is what morality is all about. You might want to check Exodus on this.
again, you think I care about the bible’s say on morality.
good god Faust… don’t you get it… I’m not religious.
I called them nutjobs long before you started.
That doesn’t mean they are worthy of death.
You see the world in black and white, and tell me I’m seeing the world too “politically”. The world is gray… Their behaviour was reprehensible but hardly worthy of being silenced or killed for.
If however you based your morality on Exodus or Deuteronomy, we’d be stoning alot of people and it’d be the homosexuals not those speaking against them… but you knew that right?
there’s Phelps and then there’s Manson. both believe in an extreme form of christianity, one used it to hold up signs projecting hate, the other brutally raped and killed people.
Are they equally bad?
faust
Maybe we don't want to get into all this, but we can talk about it for a while. Yes, homosexuals have been 'forced' to remain hidden. So have people who like to tie each other up during sex, people who like to dress up in funny costumes, people who have sex with their children/siblings/pets, and a host of others. I am in no-wise a psychologist, but I am not convinced that a significant number of homosexuals are different from the rest of these- and I know for a fact that a good number self-described homosexuals [i]are not [/i] different from the rest of these.
Yes, and I should have left out ‘homosexuals’ from my comdemnation, it’s really extreme liberals (regardless of sexual interests) that caused the current culture war, most homosexuals are innocent of this. I mean, you offer a sexual deviant the promise of a future where they can wear ‘who they are’ on their sleeve, instead of keeping it as this deep dark secret, and course they’re going to jump at the chance.
As far as the people in the video go, they piss me off as a Conservative Christian. With friends like these…yeah, someone needs to shut them up by any means necessary.
Scythe - you got me there. you’re not religious. Mea culpa. My prejudice shows. Read a lot of what you said wrong. You’re an ahteist.
Can’t say I can’t admit when I’m wrong.
But it just doesn’t matter if someone is worse. I have known bad punks and worse punks. They’re all punks.
There is no defense for this behavior.
Truthfully, I would not want them killed. I was just talking out my ass. Once someone starts with the barroom bullshit, I don’t care so much about the argument, anymore.
You just keep telling us how these people deserve tolerance.
I am an atheist, too. I am apolitical. I just don’t like punks.
Yours is the liberal view - the tolerant one. Liberals are literalists when it comes to rights. I don’t like rights. They allow this shit. These nuts have had stones thrown at them, literally. Too bad none of them hit the mark.
I will not defend rights. Not the rights of assholes.
You are free to.