Humanity as something different to nature?

Humanity as something different to nature?

Through religion and it’s respective politics we have ‘composed’ modern human society.

It is built upon the assumption that we are not like the bad things in the world, and we should be like ‘something else’ ~ an ‘all things bright and beautiful’ world.

The real world isn’t like that and our efforts have only produced something which will destroy itself and or nature.

Why does criminality exist, what real basis do we have for it?

This doesn’t mean we should all suddenly start acting crazy or in any way differently, but perhaps humanity needs to accept what the world is and who we all truly are.

Good/bad thoughts along with angels and demons, do not exist. There is just people and the world with thoughts which are not good, bad, angels nor demons, its just information, desires and needs.

Anarchism = real

Yes, Humanity is the new nature, the cover up. A new nature in the sense of perception, which influences behavior into being something other than. More specifically, it’s just an increase of a particular area of nature utilized.

Somethings are welcomed, somethings are rejected, somethings are increased and other things are forgot.

Initially, that wasn’t the assumption, it was the opposite, well, it had to be to get the ball rolling, which was “all being born into sin”, where the idea was that you had to change, it had to be like that at that time because the “primal” nature of things were a little bit difficult to deny.

It’s no longer necessary now, well not at as much, increasingly not necessary. In this time, it’s more polishing the trophy, as the trophy already exists.

Nothing really stands the test of time. Everything succumbs to nature eventually, “good” or “bad”. The production is of something weak in nature, something preferred within the system as a strength, a destruction of awareness to the rest of nature, for a continuous exploitation of weak, called Humanity.

Criminal behavior is criminal because it is not acceptable in the construct of humanity, it creates a disharmony. It is not acceptable because it doesn’t reinforce the directed flow of submission. It is “out of control”, meaning it can not be integrated or used, for the means of the system, therefore it must be disciplined into obedience, if not completely removed all together by the removal of the individual committing such acts.

Humanity is a concept, remains one for the most part, only real inside the minds who have been taken by such a thing. When they are taken, they change, not just in thought but literally in all ways. The acceptance of the world already exists inside the concept, but it comes with a rejected response, an increasing rejection, something to turn away from, to the point where there is no need to anymore. Everything else would defeat the purpose.

Those words are sensations created as rules for regulation and conformity. Good and bad are the secular version of angelic and demonic, without the spiritual context.

Anarchism is a defying response to humanity, it can also be a defying response to other things. Anarchism is allowed within the concept of humanity, but only a soft version of it as an outlet or to be utilized, like government approved protesting.

The masculine energy seeks to dominate, in this case, it would be to tear down the falsehood to rediscover the real and dominate it with something he can express his true self with continuously.

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Well sin doesn’t exist in nature. the statement; ‘Being born into sin’ is not as true as ‘being born into a causal world with all sorts of evolutionary influences and directives’.

Is there a necessity for the divide [where ‘we had to change’]? Would that occur without religion, which has been there from the start of civilisation being used to justify power?

This suggests to me that the world isn’t here to provide a permanent solution. Though we could potentially last until the universe dies, which is a pretty good bash at it. But that’s the problem with morality not based in the world [sin], when the world appears to be about having a bash, ~ a smash and grab raid on life.

= true.

Indeed, and a rejection unto an imagined perfect future is an illusion.

Right! And when ‘the system’ has gone there will still be people in a society, hence the old rules of the old society are defunct in potentiality. …even if simply replaced with another system.

Some species have more powerful females and there is no ‘masculine energy’ bla bla, but yea i get what you are saying. ‘The force’ [Nietzschean] will indeed move to expose falsehood, as that is the skin of the prey [for males and females] and it must get to the meat with expediency in a fuel based universe. Dominating fuel sources secures them, but once you have security the force is going to start thinking you taste nice. :mrgreen:

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Humanity is not different from nature.

However, good, bad, exists. Pain, pleasure, exists. Good aesthetics, bad aesthetics, exist. They are not some conglomerate of blob everyness, homogenuity. You reek of nihilism. To the female woman, good bad, pain and pleasure, are all the same. Young men are congratulated equally, regardless of the quality of their art, in an effort of “equality”, comforting the unskilled, talentless, in a vain effort for an egalitarian society, devoid of substance, a blob, everyness, homogenuity, sameness, nihilsm. The degradation of art and society at the hands of the woman.

Ironically, the same woman will then parrot how unique everyone is, and how poor life would be if everyone looked and acted the same. Except that everything she does for them, every action she takes, robs them of their uniqueness, their free-spirits. Modern hypocrasy at it’s finest.

I agree, erm as long as your not saying i am a nihilist.

The human builds itself against Nature. This was a survival mechanism.

Rain and cold feel unpleasant, even though most of the universe is cold. Animals must eat to survive, and the manimal feels a constant hunger.

Man has seperated itself from nature by a wall he calls Pain. Whatever damages his structure, his seperateness from the non-order, what the modern calls “nature”, but is more accurately called, The Elements, Wind and Fire, whatever damages his structure, his order, his seperateness, what causes his ordered bodies to become like the waters, dust, he labels as Pain. Pain is the border which prevents him from flowing back and becoming part of the earth.

As time ebbs, the SuperOrganism, mankind, has become even more seperate from the elements. Pain becomes even the slightest merging of the elements, the slightest drip of water, the slightest prick of blood. The SuperOrganism seperates itself from the elements even further. The SuperOrganism seeks to destroy the elements, but it’s individual cells, the manimals, are unconscious of their organisms goal, to wipe out the elements, what the manimal called "nature.’ Steady by steady, the cells of the superorganism, its manimals, take their tractors and plows, mowing over any little bit of elements, which do not conform to the homogenity, and order of the SuperOrganism. Slowly the manimals suffer and die, not understanding why. It is because the cells require the elements, the SuperOrganism is however in a transition phase.

The SuperOrganism is in a transition phase, merging itself with a new SuperOrganism, technology. Manimals not yet integrated with this new organism, technology, will soon die, be discarded, left behind, and expire. The SuperOrganism wishes to merge with technology, wiping out any last trace of the old Elements. With this new organism, it will soon be able to go into space, and will no longer rely on the sorry logic of the manimals to carry out its needs.
But it will have no needs, no drives, other than to explore. It will only find the same old things. If it cannot feel pain, can it feel pleasure? And if it can feel pleasure, can it create pleasure for itself, and for others?

Culture is a bit different to nature. And the human culture is like an “island” in a huge “ocean” (nature).

Yes ^^ but it’s been disconnecting.

GreatandWiseTrixie

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But it will have no needs, no drives, other than to explore. It will only find the same old things.

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It kinda gets to that with anything doesn’t it! More generally speaking, there is little purpose for an AI or any non-deficient intelligence or entity. Our purpose appears to be born in ignorance and lacking of the skills required to perform tasks mental and physical. What the hell this achieves is beyond me, i mean, there is still plenty to learn and invent/create, but like with music everything gets to a point where it’s all been done before.

If it cannot feel pain, can it feel pleasure? And if it can feel pleasure, can it create pleasure for itself, and for others?[/

it will be conscious and feel.
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And why? :slight_smile:

Arminius, you are aware that the exact same image is in both your signature box and your avatar space, right?

I think that’s a bit extraneous and repetitious and I would like to ask on behalf of ILP that you remove the image from one or the other spaces.

It’s like wearing a grey shirt while also wearing grey sweat pants. You just don’t do that. You wear a blue or green or white shirt.

Similar to this (?):

:laughing:

How do you know that?

However.

Maybe I should ask Artimas whether he allows me to use his images:

I like them.