Being a woman

[Smears]

Gotta get that cherry popped to become a woman for sure.

[Only_Humean]

Let's try and avoid trolling, please. We've already had a warning and banning in the other current thread about women recently.

[James S Saint]

I couldn't help but notice the mainstream media's effort to start "the war on women" followed by the substantial increase of threads on here discussing potential contention issues concerning women (started by women of course).

[Arcturus Descending]

I'm a woman when I love and accept myself as a woman with all that flows through me in my becoming...
I am also a woman when I have let go of the part of me within which is my mother and my father...but especially my mother.

[James S Saint]

I'm a woman when I love and accept myself as a woman with all that flows through me in my becoming....

The world could use a lot more of that.
..well from women.

But also from males doing the same concerning being a man.

[Arcturus Descending]

I'm a woman when I love and accept myself as a woman with all that flows through me in my becoming....

The world could use a lot more of that.
..well from women.

But also from males doing the same concerning being a man.

How I do love you, James.
That too is my being a woman.

[[Outside]]

Thanks, Cn. Though sometimes your post can be a little out there, you do truly mean well in your own way.

Let's try and avoid trolling, please. We've already had a warning and banning in the other current thread about women recently.

Sorry, I brought an old post back by mistake.
Promise, no more threads about women from me.

[phyllo]

I think that was aimed at Smears.

[gib]

One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.

What's your comment on this? What does it take to become a woman?

Depends on the context of Beauvoir's quote. Does she mean becoming a woman as opposed to a man (in which case I plead ignorance) or, just as the expression "becoming a man" implies, becoming an adult (in which case I have much to say). As Beauvoir claims that "one is not born" a woman, the first interpretation seems nonsensical (of course a woman is born a woman!), so I'd guess she means it in the latter sense.

To me, becoming an adult (i.e. reaching full maturity as a human being) is about having the courage to recognizing your place in the world and to realistically face the situations that confront you from one day to another, and to respond to those situations in the utmost proper (i.e. moral) way. In brief, stepping up to the plate and doing what's right. This is what both mature men and women must do.

[James S Saint]

I'm a woman when I love and accept myself as a woman with all that flows through me in my becoming....

The world could use a lot more of that.
..well from women.

But also from males doing the same concerning being a man.

How I do love you, James.
That too is my being a woman.

Take care... Woman.
I take that word even more seriously than women.

[Moreno]

Well, I am pretty sure my first post was correct, but I'll take another angle on it.

She means that 'womanhood' is socially contructed not something female babies have in their essence that flows, naturally, out of them such that over time they become women.

[gib]

Well, I am pretty sure my first post was correct, but I'll take another angle on it.

She means that 'womanhood' is socially contructed not something female babies have in their essence that flows, naturally, out of them such that over time they become women.

So then, in principle, is being a "woman" something even a man could become?

[Moreno]

Well, I am pretty sure my first post was correct, but I'll take another angle on it.

She means that 'womanhood' is socially contructed not something female babies have in their essence that flows, naturally, out of them such that over time they become women.

So then, in principle, is being a "woman" something even a man could become?

I think that is a fair take and/or reductio ad absurdum. While I disagree, I think there is some truth in this. I do think our identities as men and women is at least partly constructed. We are rewarded and punished along gender lines and we are trained through media and parenting what it is to be a good, cool, desirable....[fill in yearned for adjectives] male or female. But I do not believe we are blank slates or remotely that all difference is 'nurtured' in. That's me. Simone was an existentialist, not just a feminist, this means she did not believe in essence preceding existence AT ALL.

[Contra-Nietzsche]

Thank's outside....

I really can't comment directly on this topic right now Eliz.... due to the current Femm Block on this forum telling guys stuff like 'none of you guys are getting any sex' or 'none of you are having sex'.......it's quite impossible to have a conversation about women with a group of women, their psychological dynamics push to put down and exclude men. So it's rather useless to do so here. Women really are the more chauvinistic and cruel of the two sexes, just they are better united hiding it from men than men are from women.... it comes out rather bland and hokey when men do it, and it's questionable how seriously the guy on this forum take what they are saying, as it's all marked with humor.

I do comment though, and it's spread throughout the site. Women do give me really high marks on my insight when they ask me questions directly, and when the twat mafia isn't looming near by to make some condescending remark in defense of a apparent womanhood. All the bad that exists in men exists in women, and find a way to play in our social dynamics. But I see alot of good in both.

I have a sharp and emphatic sexuality, but there is a strong paternal aspect to me that is asexual, and quite deep.

The seemingly off-cued stuff I say is a result of not giving a fuck about the game anymore- it's as sensationalist as anything you would expect from a French Philosopher, and everyone loves them.... cause they are 'philosophers'..... in my case I just don't care to pretend anymore. If you break down what I am saying into logical or modal parts, and question me on it, you'll find alot of what I am noting has a deep history to it in philosophy as well as history. It's just part of my flair that I don't care to change anymore. I survived somehow despite the circumstances of my absurd life and have a right to just being me now. Still a philosopher otherwise, and perhaps the most caring person anyone will ever meet- the only one who will stick it out when everyone else said fuck it and left. Besides, it's all fits in with how I discuss topics with people- I can say the deepest thing and people will miss it..... but if I discuss things in the way I do, they'll consciously pick up on it over a few months period of time. People never understand tings through logic and rationalization on a personal or imaginative level..... the impulse to knowledge has to be already embedded, and it takes deep diving intercommunication wise, and this takes time and varied circumstance, with a considerable amount of friction and failing to take place before it breaks through.

Otherwise we're all just fooling ourselves in pretending to talk to one another. No communication is going on, just ephemeral jabbering that rarely makes a serious impression, and if it does, it's probably misunderstood.... as the Nietzscheans claim of Hitler.

So..... what is it to be a woman? Don't we already know this? We have mothers and elder women. We already know, it's a foolish question to ask, and it will only needlessly complicate the archetype and lead us astray in our identifications.

[lizbethrose]

cn, imm, both women and men need to become themselves. Again, imm, this means that each individual needs to understand and accept what s/he is--without trying to fit him/her self into a mold of another's creation. This is especially true when the separation of the sexes is basically stereotypical. Sexuality wasn't a big issue in ancient times--bi-sexuality and homosexuality were probably more prevalent then than strict heterosexuality, which came about with Christianity. Look into Greek and Roman military history where same-sex relationships were used to strengthen the bond between two soldiers for mutual protection. Same-sex relationships between women were also used to create bonding relationships. Sappho called her lovers her "sisters"--more important to her than her husband.

Times change, bi-sexuality may no longer be needed for inter-personal bonding, idk. I do think, however, that homosexuality (for both sexes,) bi-sexuality, and heterosexuality are all a part of animal sexuality. If both men and women understood this--if both men and women stopped believing in stereotypical "role modelling," both males and females might have time to grow up and become men and women.

[Joe Schmoe]

Dear Heart, that's what Simone de Beauvoir was!--a French Existential feminist, for goodness sake! Mary Wollstonecraft Godwin was an earlier feminist writer, but she was British. Her husband, William Godwin, a political philosopher, agreed with her, by the way--so did her son-in-law, Percy Bysshe Shelley.

I didn't read your post properly. Skimmed it and assumed you were describing your idea of a woman. The description gelled with the typical things you say, so I went with it.

You can kind of gauge that from my two word jest.

On my life, do you think I'm the only woman on these boards?

How'd you know?

[lizbethrose]

Dear Heart, that's what Simone de Beauvoir was!--a French Existential feminist, for goodness sake! Mary Wollstonecraft Godwin was an earlier feminist writer, but she was British. Her husband, William Godwin, a political philosopher, agreed with her, by the way--so did her son-in-law, Percy Bysshe Shelley.

I didn't read your post properly. Skimmed it and assumed you were describing your idea of a woman. The description gelled with the typical things you say, so I went with it.

You can kind of gauge that from my two word jest.

On my life, do you think I'm the only woman on these boards?

How'd you know?

It's really shitty being type-cast!

[James S Saint]

It's really shitty being type-cast!

Isn't it for everyone?

[James S Saint]

One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.

What's your comment on this? What does it take to become a woman?

A person can be born a female, but becoming a Woman is something special that not all females attain.

[Pandora]

Ideally, a woman's identity is contrasted and enhanced by a man's identity. (and vice versa, in such a way that they work in complimentary manner)

A person can be born a female, but becoming a Woman is something special that not all females attain.

And the same applies to males.

[James S Saint]

Ideally, a woman's identity is contrasted and enhanced by a man's identity. (and vice versa, in such a way that they work in complimentary manner)

A person can be born a female, but becoming a Woman is something special that not all females attain.

And the same applies to males.

Exactly so...

[Helandhighwater]

One is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.

What's your comment on this? What does it take to become a woman?

Simone de Beauvoir is confused about the meaning of woman.

[James S Saint]

What does it take to become a woman?

As Pandora implied..
What it takes is the right Man.

[Helandhighwater]

What does it take to become a woman?

As Pandora implied..
What it takes is the right Man.

What it takes is Black Dynamite.

[lizbethrose]

Thanks, but no thanks, I like more cerebral men. lol