Discerning God's Will

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Re: Discerning God's Will

Postby Lucis Trust » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:39 am

To James the Saint

From my perspective, your philosophy is very vauge and obscure. Are there any philosophers and/or theologians who've endorsed similar ideas?

3) Goal - Maximum Momentum of Self-Harmony - the aforementioned "Supreme state of Being", "God", or "Holy Spirit", "Je-hov-ah" (the-holy-spirit); the maximized survival position as well as maximized joy position (ie. "Eternal Heaven").

Your notion of God is nothing like the traditional one I'm familiar with.
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Re: Discerning God's Will

Postby James S Saint » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:07 am

Lucis Trust wrote:From my perspective, your philosophy is very vauge and obscure. Are there any philosophers and/or theologians who've endorsed similar ideas?

Realize that mass attraction and gravity principles were very vague and obscure to everyone not all that long ago.

The specific mention and focus on "Momentum" seems to be the only bit that the historic philosophers (including the founders of the religions) seem to have overlooked. They very lightly touch on the need, but display a lack of serious "scientific" understanding on the issue. It is a critical element. I can substantially prove that the concept undeniably belongs there, but most people are still arguing over other tidbits of their faith. No one really knows who to listen to so people make very little progress.

I do my own deducing and originating based as strictly as I can in the logical necessity within Logical Metaphysics. I am a genuine philosopher originating concepts from current concerns and perspectives. I very seldom, almost never, quote some other philosopher's work. Although I can see from where many historic concepts originated, I don't accept anything until I can see the validity of the concepts. But I am very aware of how distorted rhetoric has become concerning ancient thoughts, so I hold off judgment until I can see clearly exactly what must be true. I am a judge of "angels"/ideas, not people ("clarify, verify, and remember...").

Lucis Trust wrote:3) Goal - Maximum Momentum of Self-Harmony - the aforementioned "Supreme state of Being", "God", or "Holy Spirit", "Je-hov-ah" (the-holy-spirit); the maximized survival position as well as maximized joy position (ie. "Eternal Heaven").

Your notion of God is nothing like the traditional one I'm familiar with.

You shouldn't be surprised with that nor with the idea that your notion of God, despite being similar to the most common in the West, is not really what the Middle Eastern originators thought either.

The word "God" is not my word. I didn't invent the word nor any proposed concept behind it. As I studied, I found a great deal of confusion surrounding the word, intentional confusion. I cut through the clouds, in my usual manner, so as to get to the point. I discovered that many have intentionally obfuscated the entire issue surrounding the word "God" leaving many concepts available. Some of the concepts are valid depending entirely on perspective. So I don't really use the word much myself unless someone else has.

I invented the word/name "Mygod" so as to emphasize the concept that anyone's real situation is more of a God to them than anything else could be and is always a little unique to the person. To pray to Mygod means to examine, investigate, inquire of your personal situation when seeking answers ("clarify, verify, and remember...")

My understanding of the intentions of the ancients comes largely through their words, not the translations that other people have made of them. Even in the Days of Moses, some concepts were already skewed from the days of Ahdam. I can know such things through proper attention and study (so could anyone else staying altruistic in their investigation). In addition to their actual words, logical consistency leads the way and eventually verifies the path.

1) consistency
2) completeness
3) relevance

Those "angels" lead to the truth of what ancient people meant by what they wrote. That doesn't mean that what they wrote was true or not. But until you really have studied enough to know without much question of exactly what they really meant, arguing that they were right or wrong is a bit immature.

As to your topic question;

You asked an open, "what's your thought on this subject" type of question, so I answered. I'm not preaching, just explaining my perspective. Boyan was referring to one of the more valid concepts of God, but certainly not the only one. My advised answer includes his concept and probably all other valid concepts as well. But that is something you would have to study very carefully to verify.

The answer appears a bit vague and lengthy because it is new. It is a "whole" concept ("holy") concerning the make of God. It includes all Secular principles as well as those of ancient religions. It, to my knowledge, is the "real deal", vague to you currently or not.

Most ordinary people lack the education to even ask of God at all in that they have no real understanding of what they are asking so any answer tends to be misleading. And it has been that way for thousands of years. A great deal of misinformation has been generated (and is still being generated for political reasons).
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Discerning God's Will

Postby Lucis Trust » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:57 am

To James the Saint

Forgive me for being frank, but are you deliberately being obscure? I thought Boyan did a better job of explaining himself than you. Maybe it's me, but I felt like I recieved a lot of jargon and buzz words (like the kind New Agers and infomercials use), but no greater understanding of your philosophy. Is that because you think your philosophy is far too complex and sophisticated to divulge at a single time and place, or because your affraid I'll find cracks in your foundation, or because your planning on writing a book and your affraid someone might steal your ideas? LoL

"Maximum Momentum, angels, Mygod, clarify verify and remember, maximized survival position, maximized joy position."

Jargon

"The specific mention and focus on "Momentum" seems to be the only bit that the historic philosophers (including the founders of the religions) seem to have overlooked."

Ok, so explain the importance of "Momentum".

"I am a genuine philosopher originating concepts from current concerns and perspectives."

That's great James, that's great. I also consider myself a "genuine philosopher". I'm not content in merely parroting the words of dead men. We need a new philosophy for a new age.

"I invented the word/name "Mygod" so as to emphasize the concept that anyone's real situation is more of a God to them than anything else could be and is always a little unique to the person."

So people worship, pray to, idealize their situation, even if they're watching tv, or taking a piss?

"I cut through the clouds, in my usual manner, so as to get to the point."

Yeah, that's what I feel like I'm having to do right now, with you.


Well, forgive me for being so blunt, but I want to get to the bottom of your philosophy, but perhaps you should create a new topic entitled the Philosophy of James the Saint, I think we might be off topic.
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Re: Discerning God's Will

Postby James S Saint » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:51 am

Lucis Trust wrote:Forgive me for being frank, but are you deliberately being obscure? I thought Boyan did a better job of explaining himself than you. Maybe it's me, but I felt like I recieved a lot of jargon and buzz words (like the kind New Agers and infomercials use), but no greater understanding of your philosophy. Is that because you think your philosophy is far too complex and sophisticated to divulge at a single time and place, or because your affraid I'll find cracks in your foundation, or because your planning on writing a book and your affraid someone might steal your ideas, LoL?

James S Saint wrote:To explain something extremely metaphysically founded with a mere few words;

Lucis Trust wrote:Ok, so explain the importance of "Momentum".

Lucis Trust wrote:Well, forgive me for being so blunt, but I want to get to the bottom of your philosophy, but perhaps you should create a new topic entitled the Philosophy of James the Saint. I think we might be off topic.

Being a bit disingenuous are you? "You aren't explaining enough. I really want to know. - We are OFF TOPIC."
Yes, I knew trying to explain a subject that I already explained was too deep to get into would be off topic and thus I gave a very brief overview, a bit cryptic due to having to be short. You said it was obscure and commented that the definition that I was using for "God" was different than yours. That particular statement wasn't off topic, so I fully explained that bit.

Lucis Trust wrote:I also consider myself a "genuine philosopher". I'm not content in merely parroting the words of dead men. We need a new philosophy for a new age.

I suspect that if you had thought up anything truly original and profound and tried to explain it to the online Magog, you would be far more sympathetic to my situation.

I need specific questions to narrow an explanation to which confusion you might have. What is very clear and obvious to some is totally ambiguous to others. So I don't attempt to explain something I already know to be probably too obscure until I get a specific question. You have to clue me in a bit on which part of something seems obscure else you are being merely obscure yourself. We are discussing THE most obscured topic known to Man with the possible exception of recent Quantum Mechanics mind games.

Lucis Trust wrote:So people worship, pray to, idealize their situation, even if they're watching tv, or taking a piss?

I don't know how a person would "idealize" their situation. The point was merely, as I explained, to attend to their surroundings when they want answers to questions. To "pray" means to "seek of", similar to "prey" meaning to "seek to capture".

If you want to know answers, ask specific questions. Don't be merely coy, obscure, and insinuating. It is your thread. You lead it where you want it to go, else I'm sure now that at your convenience you will blame me for it being off topic. As I stated, I am not preaching, just trying to answer your questions.

{{..and my middle name isn't "the"}}
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Discerning God's Will

Postby Boyan » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:05 pm

It would take us very long time to came to a page where we'd hear each other (what you think I think is not it). You look at things at "microscopic" level where I try to portray a more "general" picture.

I'll just add this: in a way love and awareness are the two main and universal forces of nature, the way I see it, on most fundamental level gravity is a physical represtation of love (going inward) and light is a physical representation of awareness (going outawards).
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Re: Discerning God's Will

Postby Lucis Trust » Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:26 pm

To Boyan

In my opinion, gravity could be seen as a physical representation of love, but not as love itself.

Let me ask you this, if gravity (comming together) is a representation of love, than is friction or force (going apart) a representation of strife or hate, or is there no room for strife or hate in your universe?

I suppose it would be boring, if we all percieved the universe in exactly the same way. I have my reasons for seeing the universe the way I do, and I'm assuming you have yours. You have a very figurative, holistic way of seeing things (this could be that, that could be this), I have a more literal, compartmentalistic (is that a word?) way of seeing things (this is this, that is that).

What do you think of Empedocles metaphysics?
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