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Postby equal2u » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:51 pm

Heroin should be legalized because I want to take it. Legalize heroin now.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby volchok » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:58 pm

If that is an attempt to mock the legalize marijuana movement, I have to say, it's a pretty laughable attempt.
If you're gonna oppose the legalization of marijuana at least try to come up with a decent argument.

As a side note, all drugs should be legalized.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby equal2u » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:12 pm

volchok wrote:If that is an attempt to mock the legalize marijuana movement, I have to say, it's a pretty laughable attempt.
If you're gonna oppose the legalization of marijuana at least try to come up with a decent argument.

As a side note, all drugs should be legalized.


It isn't. I'm not trying to mock anything. It is just what it is. I want to take heroin. I want it legalized so I can purchase pharmaceutical grade diacetylmorphine for a reasonable price with no risk of being mugged or arrested. I agree that all drugs should be legalized. What I mean is, I think all drugs should be legalized and regulated for adult use. Children should be protected from drugs but there comes a time in a person's life when he/she should be allowed to make his/her own decision about which substances he/she wishes to take into his/her own body.

I support the legalize marijuana movement 100%. But not for personal reasons as I do not want to take marijuana myself. I want to take heroin.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby MagsJ » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:17 pm

Ever been at the end of some random person's come-down? the user has no idea how nasty their temperent is whilst in their come-down fog - the user thinks they are in control of their temperament at all times :lol: yeah right :roll:

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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby equal2u » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:37 pm

Magsj wrote:Ever been at the end of some random person's come-down? the user has no idea how nasty their temperent is whilst in their come-down fog - the user thinks they are in control of their temperament at all times :lol: yeah right :roll:

There's a reason why hard drugs are illegal.


I'm just asking that I be allowed to take it not that people keep me company while I'm coming down.

The reason why hard drugs are illegal is because the majority of the world's population are fucking idiots who don't want to take the drugs themselves but also insist that no one else is allowed to take them because then they would feel they might be missing out.

You don't want to take heroin to keep your wonderful temperament? Don't then. But let me make my own decisions about which substances I take into my body.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby equal2u » Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:43 pm

Honestly, I've got no problem with the legalize marijuana movement at all. But they've got it easy. Marijuana isn't hard to get hold of. The police are light on it. In many places in America you can even buy it from a shop as long as you make up some medical reason. You can even grow it yourself. Heroin is harder to get. You certainly can't grow it in your attic. If the cops catch you with it they come down on you like a ton of bricks. The legalize marijuana movement has many supporters. Who supports the legalize heroin movement? I write down my views and people think I'm being ironic. I'm not. I'm tired of my rights being violated by Obama, Cameron, Putin, Merkel and all the other cunts.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby MagsJ » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:21 am

equal2u wrote:I'm just asking that I be allowed to take it not that people keep me company while I'm coming down.
:lol:

I have had the unavoidable-pleasure of being surrounded by said people in clubs, but it's par for the course with London nightlife, and not something I'd do out of choice - they turn into cranky little fuckers and don't even realise it, but still think their cool :roll:
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby equal2u » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:27 am

Magsj wrote:
equal2u wrote:I'm just asking that I be allowed to take it not that people keep me company while I'm coming down.
:lol:

I have had the unavoidable-pleasure of being surrounded by said people in clubs, but it's par for the course with London nightlife, and not something I'd do out of choice - they turn into cranky little fuckers and don't even realise it, but still think their cool :roll:


People who think they're cool but are actually fucking annoying idiots are people who write stupid messages and put those stupid smilies everywhere. People like that make me want to take heroin even more.

That's why you think heroin should stay illegal? Because when people are coming down off heroin they annoy you? Why not just not talk to people coming down off heroin?
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby MagsJ » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:37 am

Look, don't get cranky with me buddy :P

I am actually talking about cocaine users here, and you don't have to talk to them to experience their crank... it infiltrates the atmosphere like carbon monoxide :lol:
On the other hand.. heroin takers get monged and so don't have that same annoying crankiness.

You are very quick to put words in people's mouths... like most humans are... now that Always annoys me :roll:

...and to compare smilies to drug-crazed comedowns on an annoyance level speaks volumes...
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby FilmSnob » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:15 am

Shit, I was going to write a flaming support of equal, but Magsj totally has a point. If so many humans are just going to fucking decide to blindly obey, they might as well blindly obey not to take cocaine related products and other psychoactive drugs that lead people to fuck other people up.

I was on an acid trip in downtown Montreal once and I saw a coke-head ripping a soul from some witless, whoary soul right there on the curb. Me and my friends approached him and one of my buddies went "hey dude, you mugging this girl or something?" The guy was holding her by her purse. He turned to us, giving the woman about 15 seconds to run in her high heels before the coke-head was done rearing at us like a fucking bull and went chasing after her. We considered calling the police, but decided that we would rather not get busted for dropping acid.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby lizbethrose » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:17 am

Why do you want to try heroin, =2u? It's a depressive and its effects vary--it's also highly addictive; as a street drug it's never pure (pure heroin kills); and it really just puts you to sleep after an often short term feeling of peace.

Do you want to try it because it's illegal--because it's a way of flouting the 'system?'
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby James L Walker » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:21 am

Do whatever you wish. Put drugs in your veins enjoying eupjhoric sensations to numb your existential angst followed by overdosing into death and oblivion.

If that it is what you will so be it.
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Postby Joe Schmoe » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:44 am

James L Walker wrote:Do whatever you wish. Put drugs in your veins enjoying eupjhoric sensations to numb your existential angst followed by overdosing into death and oblivion.

You know what drugs do. =D>

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Mmm, this would have sufficed.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby brevel_monkey » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:21 pm

I support the legalize marijuana movement 100%. But not for personal reasons as I do not want to take marijuana myself. I want to take heroin.



If I wanted to do it, I would just buy it and take it. Who gives a fuck about the law?
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Postby equal2u » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:41 pm

FilmSnob wrote:Shit, I was going to write a flaming support of equal, but Magsj totally has a point. If so many humans are just going to fucking decide to blindly obey, they might as well blindly obey not to take cocaine related products and other psychoactive drugs that lead people to fuck other people up.

I was on an acid trip in downtown Montreal once and I saw a coke-head ripping a soul from some witless, whoary soul right there on the curb. Me and my friends approached him and one of my buddies went "hey dude, you mugging this girl or something?" The guy was holding her by her purse. He turned to us, giving the woman about 15 seconds to run in her high heels before the coke-head was done rearing at us like a fucking bull and went chasing after her. We considered calling the police, but decided that we would rather not get busted for dropping acid.


Humans don't decide to blindly obey. People still take the drugs. The people who don't take drugs don't not take the drugs because of obedience to the law. They don't want to take the drugs anyway. But also they want to feel good about not taking drugs, if they ever feel worried that they might be missing out on pleasurable experiences, they reassure themselves that the drugs are illegal anyway. Drug laws don't exist to stop people taking drugs, they exist to make people who don't take drugs feel good about not taking them.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby equal2u » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:48 pm

lizbethrose wrote:Why do you want to try heroin, =2u? It's a depressive and its effects vary--it's also highly addictive; as a street drug it's never pure (pure heroin kills); and it really just puts you to sleep after an often short term feeling of peace.

Do you want to try it because it's illegal--because it's a way of flouting the 'system?'


Have you tried it? I've looked at descriptions of the effects of heroin from people who have actually tried it and they emphasise its pleasurable effects a lot more than you do. Your argument that being on heroin isn't actually that great is ridiculous. Why is it addictive then? Drugs are addictive for a reason- because they make you feel fantastic.

I don't care about flouting the system I just want to feel good. I don't want to try it 'because it's illegal' I want it to be legalized so I can legally buy a quality product.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby brevel_monkey » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:59 pm

Have you tried it? I've looked at descriptions of the effects of heroin from people who have actually tried it and they emphasise its pleasurable effects a lot more than you do. Your argument that being on heroin isn't actually that great is ridiculous.


Is her argument more ridiculous than yours: that a drug responsible for a great number of social problems should be legalized for millions of people just so you can try it once?

Actually I think her point is a fine one. Heroin addiction affects more than just the people who are addicted. This justifies the government having a say in whether people can take it or not.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby equal2u » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:18 pm

brevel_monkey wrote:Is her argument more ridiculous than yours: that a drug responsible for a great number of social problems should be legalized for millions of people just so you can try it once?

Actually I think her point is a fine one. Heroin addiction affects more than just the people who are addicted. This justifies the government having a say in whether people can take it or not.


I don't want to take it just once I want to take it regularly.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby brevel_monkey » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:20 pm

I don't want to take it just once I want to take it regularly.


This doesn't really add much weight to your case.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby equal2u » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:23 pm

James L Walker wrote:Do whatever you wish. Put drugs in your veins enjoying eupjhoric sensations to numb your existential angst followed by overdosing into death and oblivion.

If that it is what you will so be it.


Just because a person has an alcoholic drink that doesn't mean they're going to die of alcohol poisoning. It's the same with heroin. If it's used responsibly the risks are minimal.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby equal2u » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:26 pm

brevel_monkey wrote:
I support the legalize marijuana movement 100%. But not for personal reasons as I do not want to take marijuana myself. I want to take heroin.



If I wanted to do it, I would just buy it and take it. Who gives a fuck about the law?


People in prison for possession of illegal substances maybe? People who want to buy a quality product from a shop not some price inflated adulterated shit from a dangerous criminal?
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby equal2u » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:28 pm

brevel_monkey wrote:
I don't want to take it just once I want to take it regularly.


This doesn't really add much weight to your case.


My case is this- if you don't want to take diacetylmorphine into your body then don't, but don't tell me what substances I can and can't take into mine. I'm an adult. I'll take heroin if I want. You don't like it go fuck yourself.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby volchok » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:36 pm

Magsj wrote:
There's a reason why hard drugs are illegal.



And the reason is most people are ignorant and dumb.
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Re: Legalize heroin

Postby MagsJ » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:56 pm

Volchok/equal2u,

I don't care what drugs people want coursing through their veins, but I do care about my safety and well-being in the aftermath - people all around me take drugs (this is London, baby) but I don't want to (or have to) deal with their up/down temperament, which in some cases extends to violence and abuse.
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