_________ wrote:equal2u wrote:No. You keep insisting it's all because of the heroin itself that people get addicted, not the user. You've been blaming the substance all the time, which is just as stupid as blaming the cliff.
I believe what he's actually been insisting is that due to the addictive nature of the drug and the fact that this is no secret, the user is at fault for taking it habitually in the first place.
No, he's insisting no one can use it habitually without getting addicted. Like you. But you're both wrong...
Every serial killer and mass murderer that has ever lived is understandable. Understanding and justification are too entirely separate concepts.
I think it's clear that you're using "understandable" as "capable of being comprehended" where John is using it more in the "a logical choice" sense. As you say, "too[sic] entirely separate concepts."
I meant 'two' not 'too'. Can't believe I did that...
andHeroin users are not inclined to discuss their behaviour for obvious reasons, the evidence is beneath the surface. It's well known that some doctors and nurses use the drugs they've got access to. Sometimes heroin, sometimes similar opiate type drugs. I've told you I've met people who use heroin responsibly. It isn't difficult. All you have to do is set yourself guidelines and stick to them. The only way you can get addicted is if you behave in a way that is completely moronic. It's just a pity that that's just the way most people are.You live in this paranoid mindset where people either never touch heroin ever or they become total addicts and there can never be anyone in between. You don't want to face the reality that you and your buddies got addicted because you behaved in an irresponsible and unintelligent manner. You messed up. And that's hardly surprising from your posts because your ability to think rationally is clearly very poor, and so your ability to behave rationally is likely to be poor as well. That's why you can't handle heroin- poor judgement. You're just refusing to accept this and that's why you're continuing to blame your failure on inanimate objects rather than yourself.
Not everyone that tries heroin gets addicted. Very true. However, the percentage that continue to use it who do get addicted is just about, if not, 100%. You cannot use heroin on a regular basis without developing a physical dependency to it, unless I am horribly mistaken (and if you believe I am, spare me your "my friend uses it habitually and could stop right now and not get withdrawal symptoms" -- give me a study or something legitimate). Tolerance, which develops rapidly for heroin, is ineluctable -- and this leads inevitably to physical dependence.
You are horribly mistaken. You'll only get physically addicted if you're using a large enough dose between small enough intervals. Smaller doses at longer intervals wont result in addiction. One small 'chasing the dragon' per year, for example, wont get you physically addicted, but that's still regular use. How small can the intervals and dose be before you risk developing physical addiction? I don't know. But I'm pretty sure you can do it more than once a year. That's some information we could all be given if it was legalised...
Because I've met them and I know of them.
Well I for one have have not, and know only that you suggest that they do indeed exist. However, as has been noted, you have no evidence that you can share with us outside hearsay, which in my court isn't permissible.
What about the court of rationality? Anyone with any sense can see that it's possible to use it regularly without developing physical dependence if you get the dose and intervals right. Doctors dip into the hospital supplies for years and never get physically addicted. Just speak to anyone with any knowledge of chemistry, he/she will tell you it's perfectly possible. You and Slow John are really insisting that out of the world's 7 billion population, there is not a single regular heroin user who doesn't get physically addicted? That's even more stupid than putting 'too' when you mean 'two'.