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[Moreno]

Moreno
Interesting reading, I’ll just pick up on this, the rest I’ll have to research more…

If I am not my anger, then I am not the part of me that dislikes it and wishes it would go away either.

I don’t see why that follows, I don’t think I am my anger and I do think that that inner core of consciousness is the thing that doesn’t like the negative aspects of the zombie, and that it puts them upon it. The opposite direction would mean that I’d have to consider all aspects of me, surely I have to be detached from that duality in order to conquer it?

1) If you want to identify with the dislike and not with the anger, then do that. 2) I don't see how you are avoiding a dualism. There is the you and the not you. The dislike which you think is good and the anger which you think is not. The consciousness and its objects. Perhaps even a number of dualisms.

[Moreno]

Thank you. Because of where I live, I can't get a library card. Because of limited income and limited shelf space, I can't buy too many books. I thought you might have an on-line critique or some published articles to illustrate the studies--that's why I asked for a possible on-line link. What you've given seems nothing more than a publicity blurb.

That website includes excerpts from the book and a summary, there is also a blog (which I have not looked at). You could also google glial cells AND intelligence or whatever interests you. You could also go into any science archives online and just search around glial cells.

[Amorphos]

Moreno

1) If you want to identify with the dislike and not with the anger, then do that. 2) I don't see how you are avoiding a dualism. There is the you and the not you. The dislike which you think is good and the anger which you think is not. The consciousness and its objects. Perhaps even a number of dualisms.

I think you are right that there is a duality, but for me that’s a process. I see the correlation between dislike and its extreme as anger ~ good thinking there! Yet my dislike is in the non-dual persona [or maybe an impersonal nature of mind] it’s a detachment rather than an attack. Hmm perhaps you are right, I should be letting go of the body in which they reside, is that what you are saying? If so, excellent thinking there!

There is a relationship between mind and matter, I had formerly considered the latter as the problem, but the problem is within the relationship, yes?

[lizbethrose]

Thank you. Because of where I live, I can't get a library card. Because of limited income and limited shelf space, I can't buy too many books. I thought you might have an on-line critique or some published articles to illustrate the studies--that's why I asked for a possible on-line link. What you've given seems nothing more than a publicity blurb.

That website includes excerpts from the book and a summary, there is also a blog (which I have not looked at). You could also google glial cells AND intelligence or whatever interests you. You could also go into any science archives online and just search around glial cells.

Thank you, I had already done that. As I've said, your link seems nothing more than a publicity blurb. It's hard to critique a post without further knowledge--so I won't.

[Ierrellus]

Typist,
Gregory Mendel was the "father of genetics". What I was noting is that the persistence of the gene in physical extensions suggests teleology. Even Dawkins assigns "motives" to genes.

[Typist]

Gregory Mendel was the "father of genetics".

Ok, got it, thanks. I recognized the name, but couldn't remember why.

What I was noting is that the persistence of the gene in physical extensions suggests teleology.

A teleology is any philosophical account which holds that final causes exist in nature, meaning that design and purpose analogous to that found in human actions are inherent also in the rest of nature.

The persistence of the gene in physical extensions?

[Ierrellus]

Well, according to Dawkins an organism is a gene's way of perpetutating itself and gaining some sort of immortality! Genes persist while organisms die.

[Typist]

Well, according to Dawkins an organism is a gene's way of perpetutating itself and gaining some sort of immortality! Genes persist while organisms die.

Ah, I see now, thank you. That is an interesting observation, agreed. Hmm......

[Amorphos]

I don’t think genes survive, ultimately. Really they have no teleology but to serve life/consciousness.

[Moreno]

Thank you. Because of where I live, I can't get a library card. Because of limited income and limited shelf space, I can't buy too many books. I thought you might have an on-line critique or some published articles to illustrate the studies--that's why I asked for a possible on-line link. What you've given seems nothing more than a publicity blurb.

That website includes excerpts from the book and a summary, there is also a blog (which I have not looked at). You could also google glial cells AND intelligence or whatever interests you. You could also go into any science archives online and just search around glial cells.

Thank you, I had already done that. As I've said, your link seems nothing more than a publicity blurb. It's hard to critique a post without further knowledge--so I won't.

Um. You googled glial cells and intelligence?
What is it you want to critique?
You could also google glial cells and schizophrenia, for example, to get a sense of the widening range of influence and likely function of glial cells.
I could do this, but I wouldn't know which of the thousands of potential links to link you to. It's not just a few scientists who have a theory it is a broad range of researchers and mainstream neuroscience now.

You could try The Other Brain and reviews in google, if you like. I don't know of any particular reviews, but I assume there are some out there.

[0belafekete0]

The is no duality.

. I agree. Its the same probem of whether the so called "demon" so the mover, meaning our lower chakras, or if we may have evolved, jumped(periodically), or confuse the psychology (primary and secondary processes--------------with the philosophical/teleological interpretation, of things like "neural boredom, and obsessions and addictions with the routes most taken. If we eliminate distinctions even in the psychological processes---and visualize a field where a continuum is established, the processes seem to loose the discontinuity. In this new sense, the organisms function, in terms of its routine, could be defined as an existential necessity, and its different from a "rut" it works the best, simplest way, and Zen buddhism come to the rescue,in finding something new and exciting, in even the most mundane, oft repeated routines. Even a bug climbing a blade of grass can find excitement in this, if that's conceivable, since all participants in nature are just cogs in a wheel, working toward (unknown to them) ---ALWAYS. Toward future generational possibility. They are always working toward, and for something else, then themselves, and those that cease to see this, are doomed to become absolutely bored by the whole thing.