Will machines completely replace all human beings?

If the average machine rate will remain high and the average fertility rate will remain low, but the average economic status will shrink, then it will become clear that machines are in the long run a bad thing.

Yes, but the shrunken average economic status will perhaps (thus: not certainly) cause a shrinking average machine rate. The answer to the question whether the average machine rate will shrink then or not will probably depend on the development status of the machines. If they will not sufficiently enough be developed then, then the average machine rate will certainly shrink. But the crux is that the humans will try to avoid a shrinking average economic status, although, if they will do, this will lead to an even higher average machine rate and at last to the extinction of all humans. Nevertheless, there are many reasons to believe that the average economic status will shrink and cause a shrinking average machine rate. Like I said: I know that the everage economic status will shrink, but I do not know whether this will really lead to a shrinking average machine rate or not, since the development status of the machines at that time in the future is currently quite unknown.

You’ve actually argued for the opposite.
The more people adapt to machines, the lower fertility rate gets.

No. I did not argue for the opposite.

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That is a good article, Alf.

Thanks.

My pleasure. :slight_smile:

What I find very intersing is that the retail salespersons have a 90% chance of becoming automated.

The future of the hue-of-Man is the assembled humanoid.

Very likely.

A master plumber and a building architect can also be replaced already, at least theoretically. It is merely a question of time (a) when this replacement will be economicall efficient too and (b) when certain lobbyists will have to give up their lobby (first partly, then totally).

So in this case, the only question word is: When?

More to the point, YOU are easily replaced with something far more efficient and complaint to the New Social Order.

@ Arminius.

You did a good job on this topic, Arminius. Now that it’s been almost seven years since you opened this thread, and meanwhile we are in a corona hysteria since 2020, which also has to do with AI, it would be very good and important if you would write here again.

I would say that the probability that all humans will be replaced by machines has increased, just as you predicted here seven years ago.

Even this topic is starting to disturb me now. :confused:

By the time this event happens, humanity will be spread out among vastly more.star systems in the universe, since our solar system has billions of years to go…

It is an inescapable fact that in time, the escape velocity overcoming the speed of light will assure a state of medical technology where human intelligence can overcome it’s physiological bounderies of surviving quantum jumps.

I think that is silly blather. Humanity will never exceed the speed of light (except in their fantasies). It would be easier to believe that Global Communism is going to be a utopia for all humanity - so no need to travel the stars. But they are already replacing people with machines and doing everything to prevent human growth.

This thread is not so much about the question whether “humanity will be spread out among vastly more star systems in the universe” (Meno), but mainly about the question whether all (all!) humans will be replaced by machines and how this will happen. Keywords: machines in the conventional sense, machines in the sense of artificial intelligence (AI), cyborgs, androids.

It is more topical than ever, even more topical than in 2014 (April 3), when Arminius opened this thread.

Ok, I get the stretched relevance. However, what makes it impossible that the speed of life be exceeded? Or, can a perpetuate mobile self repairing vehicle, may be effective for almost infinite space travel, with placing travelers in cybernetic suspension

They actually have achieved the latet, the former is not above the realm of possibility: given the rate of technological progress.

The reasons for more breakthroughs ade based on the acceptance of the fact that increasing medical progress assures the imcfeasung rate of population expansion within a limited space in a vanishing planetary source. Either that, or limiting the population , so as to drawl with those problems. In all actuality, limiting populations even at this juncture can not prevent further environmental damage.

For the above reasons, the above suggested technical solutions are being concerned in limited studies, as travel to other planets are at this moment are becoming possible .

Cyborgs may develop to the extent where they are developed by partial augmentation of humanity, but whether total robotic artificial intelligence may be developed to replace all facets of human life , is very doubtful, for ethical reasons, because such robotics may actually destroy human life.

At least until even an ounce of natural brain remains within any artificially intelligent system of cognition, invariable "systems will prevent a total takeover of human life form.

It just doesent set right that AI will be left to develop with a capacity to take over and destroy biologically developed life.

Caveat: if science can overcome the death of the gods, and the resulting fear induced by it, then such expansive progress , utilyzing technology is unavoidable.

Or. The progressive facilitation of the increasing utilization of the machine construction of the Star Treck idea, where billions of years of earth time can parallel a minute passage. of time on a very large spaceship, with robotic ongoing construction/ reconstruction ongoing, assures the colonization of space.

Given, on the idea that with probable recurrance, identically suited planets can be found , hospitable to our own planet earth, a life of eternal perpetuity can be assured.

Looking into the advent of machines taking over the practice aspects of constructing living habitat with human conception as the source of as. n a creative mode, has even to this day has been demonstrated by the UD economy been driven so, as compared to the underdeveloped economies of the world.

That communication between remote regions may be maintained by newer technologies, has been overcome by those minds of communications which have been demonstrated as having rates of progressive velocities greater then the speed of light.

That it has been conceived is almost a proof of fiction defying fact.!

There is an important question: Will people manage to survive? Because if it is possible to replace humans completely with machines, then it is also possible that all humans will be superfluous and probably even disappear.
Even then, when humans will have become cyborgs, they will no longer be pure humans, but hybrid beings. At least that’s how I judge it.

If it is possible to make a cat out of a dog, then the result will be neither dog nor cat, but a hybrid being.

The question of whether “humanity will be spread out among vastly more star systems in the universe” is a side question, although an intersting one as well. First of all we have to ask ourselves whether pure humans or cyborgs or machines “will be spread out among vastly more star systems in the universe”. At present, only machines in the area of our solar system and perhaps a little further have spread (see space probes).

Science will never “overcome the death of the gods”, unless science will overcome science, thus will “die” itself. So, “such expansive progress, utilyzing technology, is” not " unavoidable", but the end of either the machines or the humans is unavoidable, because the existence of both is in the long run impossible: either the machines will disappear, so that humans will forget them and therefore survive, or the humans will disappear, so that the machines will continue to exist either with the mixed beings or without them, but not with the human. There has been war between humans and machines since the beginning. This war is the war of humans against the nature. The weapons are of cultural, especially technological, anti-natural kind on the human side and the constants or forces on the natural side (see: gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear force and their constants). Humans won’t win this war. They’ll change to cyborgs or die out, unless they’ll stop their war against the nature.

Also, because you brought up the gods: the humans could (re)discover their new (old) gods in nature, worship them and establish a religion, so that the war against nature can be slowed down again and again.