Will machines completely replace all human beings?

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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:43 pm

James S Saint wrote:Obe, in a war where machines are fighting machines (already begun throughout the world) would you program your machines to wait for each decision to be made by you when the enemy is allowing their machines to much more quickly make their own decisions?



That point has merit, nevertheless, there probably are programs and programs. In programs where independent, non critical decisions can be made automatically, no oversight is needed. But in decisions involving the relationships between various mutually relevant programs, where their interaction at this level may cause a systemic meltdown, there needs to be oversight. There are decisions, machines simply are not trusted to make, even if the science has gone that far, foe the very reason that decisions made by machines may turn out to be counter-productive.

This is only hypothetical, and the proof is simply that machines have not yet demonstrated any counter-productivity in themselves, except through external hacking.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Kriswest » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:01 pm

Uhhuh. Fuck Hollywood crap.
Only complete morons do not put a remote shutdown procedure on such a machine. And only a moron thinks that their work cannot be screwed with . If it is programmed it can be shut down even if there are redundancies.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:04 pm

Kriswest wrote:Uhhuh. Fuck Hollywood crap.
Only complete morons do not put a remote shutdown procedure on such a machine. And only a moron thinks that their work cannot be screwed with . If it is programmed it can be shut down even if there are redundancies.

The point was whether they could be "merely hacked into". They cannot be "merely hacked into", especially when they are already programmed to prevent it and are much, much more intelligent than any hacker.
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It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:18 pm

But not more intelligent than the programmer.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:33 pm

obe wrote:But not more intelligent than the programmer.

Don't kid yourself. Even I have programmed computers to be far more intelligent than I could ever be.
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:42 pm

James S Saint wrote:
obe wrote:But not more intelligent than the programmer.

Don't kid yourself. Even I have programmed computers to be far more intelligent than I could ever be.




Yes, that's possible, but, who created who? You programed the computer, and unless, Your program consisted with an ability for an autonomous re-program within the program, computer intelligence will be merely a trait of Your own abilities, whereas Your intelligence will be a type which is pre programed by You Yourself (through Your own efforts at education) and by God Almighty, coming through as a genetic 'gift'. The computer owes it's intelligence to Your program, similarly.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Kriswest » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:47 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Kriswest wrote:Uhhuh. Fuck Hollywood crap.
Only complete morons do not put a remote shutdown procedure on such a machine. And only a moron thinks that their work cannot be screwed with . If it is programmed it can be shut down even if there are redundancies.

The point was whether they could be "merely hacked into". They cannot be "merely hacked into", especially when they are already programmed to prevent it and are much, much more intelligent than any hacker.

LOL show me where I said "merely hacked into".
A human hacker is just a director for the machine designed to solve the problems. The human just says sic him boy..
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:48 pm

Kriswest wrote: A virus soup can be sent to any machine that is programmed to make decisions. Just hack the darn thing with viruses it will stop it or slow it down or turn it. You would have to be very careful about what viral commands are sent. A barrage of such would eventually work.

The machine merely says, "sick them boys" too.

As a human, you are already "hacked into" by what you believe to be factual information, which actually isn't. That is what hacking is all about ... getting past the filters and causing illegitimate persuasion (also known as "hypnotism", the entire priority of the media). They too use "information overload" as a technique.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Kriswest » Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:20 pm

James, I can't make these machines that make machines that make machines but, clearly people know how. The ability is there. Did I say it would be easy? Nooo. I would bet though that there is government laboratories already working on it.
You create the tech, you know that someone else is doing the same so you also start a program to stop yours and theirs. Its been in the process for decades. Look at the Ebola outbreak.. Certain governments suddenly cough up "experimental" meds for it... A: the stuff they gave was proven to help but, not cure. This tells me they have enough of an actual cure to cure aa specific amount of people.
B: They can stop the outbreak cold but, will not because of power ego.
And they also plan to use the virus as population control.
Now, hon, the shit is out there to stop machines its a done deal. The only question that stands out is: When it will be used.
I will be bitchy, cranky, sweet, happy, kind, pain in the ass all at random times from now on. I am embracing my mentalpause until further notice. Viva lack of total control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a test,,, this is my life right now. Have a good day and please buckle up for safety reasons,, All those in high chairs, go in the back of the room.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:18 pm

Kriswest wrote:B: They can stop the outbreak cold but, will not because of power ego.
And they also plan to use the virus as population control.
Now, hon, the shit is out there to stop machines its a done deal. The only question that stands out is: When it will be used.

When it comes to viruses, all of that is a fine argument, and very largely true and easy to imagine. But then you switch suddenly to proclaim that it also applies to machines, "the shit is out there to stop machines its a done deal". What kind of thing, "shit", are you imagining?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Kriswest » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:01 pm

A killing thinking machine built, is like a deadly virus. The people that create a deadly virus will not purposely release that virus unless there is a cure. A thinking machine is quite capable of getting a dangerous glitch due to lack of foresight or damage. A glitch can cause the machine to backfire on its makers. There is not just one person building and thinking of potentials, its a team. A team will have more foresight than one. With this knowledge it is more than safe to know beyond doubt there is a remote kill switch built in. The opposing side knows this and so would have a team finding the programmed kill switch. The cure to the virus.
One sure way to stop is to flood known signals with probable commands and programs. A higher computer near AI status would have the abilities. Now we both know there is at least two major countries with such computers and highly capable teams.... The shit.
I will be bitchy, cranky, sweet, happy, kind, pain in the ass all at random times from now on. I am embracing my mentalpause until further notice. Viva lack of total control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a test,,, this is my life right now. Have a good day and please buckle up for safety reasons,, All those in high chairs, go in the back of the room.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:58 am

Kriswest wrote:A killing thinking machine built, is like a deadly virus. The people that create a deadly virus will not purposely release that virus unless there is a cure. A thinking machine is quite capable of getting a dangerous glitch due to lack of foresight or damage. A glitch can cause the machine to backfire on its makers.

I see. So tell me, what cure do did they have for the radiation poring out of Japan, Chernobyl, and Iraq that they aren't telling anyone about?

You seem to have been infected with the hubris notion conflating Man with the all knowing and all wise God of legend... ?

Kriswest wrote:There is not just one person building and thinking of potentials, its a team. A team will have more foresight than one.

A "team"? Emmm... so there are no competing enemies? No egos within the "team"? A choir of saints? They are just good-ole-boys very altruistically and carefully ensuring the love and harmony of humanity? I didn't know you were another deranged, delusional liberal socialist.

Kriswest wrote:With this knowledge it is more than safe to know beyond doubt there is a remote kill switch built in. The opposing side knows this and so would have a team finding the programmed kill switch. The cure to the virus.

Except that the first "team" knows that the second team knows and thus plays it differently than that obvious trap. And the second team knows that the first team knows that the second team knows and thus attempts to figure out the alternate trap. It gets really, really complicated, doesn't it. In fact, it would take a really sophisticated computer to figure out how to play such a game. But then, of course, both "teams" know that and are thus busily making sure that their computers are smarter than the other team's.

It all kind of makes you wonder what those truly, extremely intelligent computers will decide what to do with such a silly creature as man.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Kriswest » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:15 am

Cherynboyl was a weapon??????
I will be bitchy, cranky, sweet, happy, kind, pain in the ass all at random times from now on. I am embracing my mentalpause until further notice. Viva lack of total control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a test,,, this is my life right now. Have a good day and please buckle up for safety reasons,, All those in high chairs, go in the back of the room.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 20, 2014 1:34 am

Kriswest wrote:Cherynboyl was a weapon??????

Chernobyl was one example of the very nature of Man, assuming that he has control of the powers he unleashes on the Earth, "we can always just turn it off". Did he learn? Nope. Fukushima came next and is still grandly destroying life. Has he learned yet? Nope. Recently many attempts have been made to form a black-hole based on the THEORY that it won't get out of control.

Science wants to excuse itself constantly on the basis of everything being merely a theory and possibly incorrect. And yet science always wants to "play with" the most enormously devastating powers ever conceived, such as black-holes and androids that are not merely alive, but 100 times smarter than any human could ever hope to be.

I am still not convinced that black-holes in space are not merely the remnants of prior "evolved" haphazard life forms (similar to homosapian), playing with their version of "Science".

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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Kriswest » Wed Aug 20, 2014 3:31 pm

Actually there is an element that cures and or stops radiation poisoning but, damned if I can remember what. It is a pretty common thing if I remember right.
Buuuut, I was talking about the deliberate release of automated weapons not general dumbassedry, which obviously has no cultural boundary, .
There is truth in what you say about the teams but, to a point. The teams wpuld keep going that way but, you forget the military impatient leaders. They will say: fuck it send it out now.
So there will be limits on protective programs , not so on the "cure".

I do agree with much of what you say though.
I will be bitchy, cranky, sweet, happy, kind, pain in the ass all at random times from now on. I am embracing my mentalpause until further notice. Viva lack of total control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a test,,, this is my life right now. Have a good day and please buckle up for safety reasons,, All those in high chairs, go in the back of the room.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:45 pm

Kriswest wrote:So there will be limits on protective programs , not so on the "cure".

Realize that their "protective program" IS their idea of a "cure". Do doctors provide cures for an infection of doctors? If something isn't working on schedule, send in more of the same.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Kriswest » Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:39 pm

Look again where I said that you don't release a virus or killing machine without the ability to stop it. Those are the cures I speak of.
You do not want your killer turning on you. You must be able to protect yourself from your creation.
I will be bitchy, cranky, sweet, happy, kind, pain in the ass all at random times from now on. I am embracing my mentalpause until further notice. Viva lack of total control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a test,,, this is my life right now. Have a good day and please buckle up for safety reasons,, All those in high chairs, go in the back of the room.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:02 pm

Kriswest wrote:Look again where I said that you don't release a virus or killing machine without the ability to stop it. Those are the cures I speak of.

YOU don't. But THEY do, and have been doing such things for literally thousands of years. The Bible is filled with just those stories of people doing things regardless of their inability to stop the consequences. The story of Lot is a prime example, but it actually begins with the story of Adham and Eve. Literally every time a war has begun, one of the two participants (at least) is ignoring the actual consequences and unleashing an army. You can't simply turn off a war once it has begun.

Kriswest wrote:You do not want your killer turning on you.

And yet it happens all the time, far more often than not. I am not saying that your theory of how one should behave isn't the better way. I am saying that Man doesn't do that. History has proven thousands of times, that Man must always do things wrongly first in order to know that it was actually wrong. There is a reason for that involving how he learns. Many doctors have for centuries unleashed their idea of a treatment only to find later that their idea was responsible for the deaths of many people.

If you are one who hates religion, realize that religion is another example of someone unleashing something that they can't cure. And as far as radiation, they can't actually cure the radiation poisoning throughout the world. All they have is treatments that if applied soon enough, will reduce the symptoms sufficiently to prolong death.

Man is not, and has never been sane. What makes you think that he has suddenly, in the midst of all you see going on around you, has become sane?

Kriswest wrote:You must be able [SHOULD be able] to protect yourself from your creation.

Man simply isn't that bright. And for continuing substantial reasons.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:21 pm

Man isn't that bright YET, but he is on the way. Once the snake swallows it's tail. actually, and not only symbolically, his inventions will foreclose on their destructive effects.

A closure is coming between unilateral and multilateral effect. This calculus was/is, basically an enlightened effort to make any distinction infinitesimal and unperceivable . .
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Then, your obedient

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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:29 pm

obe wrote:Man isn't that bright YET, but he is on the way.

NO!! He isn't becoming brighter. He is making machines to do his thinking for him. He is making the MACHINES brighter in place of himself = "insanity".

obe wrote:Once the snake swallows it's tail. actually, and not only symbolically, his inventions will foreclose on their destructive effects.

Except that this particular "snake" has spawned offspring that is brighter than the snake was.

obe wrote:A closure is coming between unilateral and multilateral effect. This calculus was/is, basically an enlightened effort to make any distinction infinitesimal and unperceivable . .

It is simply Man lustfully trying to be God, and he just isn't that bright. His machines will be much closer.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:49 pm

Sanity, James will be totally transfigured, as far as how that applies to the concept of the question, of why, from the beginning Man has sought to acquire knowledge through learning. The tree of knowledge began as both a warning of forbidden fruit, and the beginning of the ontological difficulty of God, with Himself. God had a bad conscience in creating Man, therefore, and if one is a Pantheist,one is tempted to ascribe this to the spirit working through men, in order for redemption to become possible. To make the distinction between Man and God, and ask the question who redeems whom, is as irrelevant as it is an unjustified concern over the motives of a God, who probably creates as a necessary part of Himself.

Shakespeare's most famous line 'To Be, or Not to Be' is par excellence the pathetic realization of the dubious nature of the argument. Shakespeare could not possibly have implied a real concern with the question, and one gets the impression of his attempt at closure , through a de-differentiation between the two states. (Being and not Being)

Bit this was the Elizabethan age, where such quizzical pathos had to be reduced, and unilaterilized. The whole idea and success of science, has changed this format and knowledge proceeds the opposite course, by re-differentiating by a calculus, the likelihood of not if, but when, enlightenment will finally open up and challenge the motives, hidden so far, of the aims and goals of Project Mankind.
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Then, your obedient

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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:57 pm

obe wrote:But this was the Elizabethan age, where such quizzical pathos had to be reduced, and unilaterilized. The whole idea and success of science, has changed this format and knowledge proceeds the opposite course, by re-differentiating by a calculus, the likelihood of not if, but when, enlightenment will finally open up and challenge the motives, hidden so far, of the aims and goals of Project Mankind.

Learning by consequence, trial and error (aka Science), of the most insidious form of self-extinction produces only one result. "Learning" is not that result. One cannot say that an extinct species learned a lesson. But the machines can surmise from Mankind's mistake and consequence. So all won't be lost. The universe will do what it does with the result.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Kriswest » Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:35 pm

James, Doctors are the most arrogant humans, they don't think they make mistakes. I have met plenty and am friends with none.
Scientists are arrogant but, not the same degree or way. Show a scientist their mistake and they learn, show a Doctor their mistake and they deny it while calling their lawyer.
Scientists make weapons, biological and tech.
They work for soldiers who while arrogant understand FUBAR.
When Doctors come up with a cure they see a few cured or apparently cured patients then sell the cure.
Scientists are pedantic, meticulous and irritatingly patient. For them the process is important, for doctors its the result seen immediately.
I will be bitchy, cranky, sweet, happy, kind, pain in the ass all at random times from now on. I am embracing my mentalpause until further notice. Viva lack of total control!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is not a test,,, this is my life right now. Have a good day and please buckle up for safety reasons,, All those in high chairs, go in the back of the room.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:37 pm

Kriswest wrote:James, Doctors are the most arrogant humans, they don't think they make mistakes. I have met plenty and am friends with none.
Scientists are arrogant but, not the same degree or way. Show a scientist their mistake and they learn, show a Doctor their mistake and they deny it while calling their lawyer.
Scientists make weapons, biological and tech.
They work for soldiers who while arrogant understand FUBAR.
When Doctors come up with a cure they see a few cured or apparently cured patients then sell the cure.
Scientists are pedantic, meticulous and irritatingly patient. For them the process is important, for doctors its the result seen immediately.

And scientists don't decide when to use what they make. Doctors, politicians, business men, bankers, and military minds do that. #-o

But then scientists want to make a "black-hole" based on the THEORY that it will dissipate and not consume the whole Earth.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Fri Aug 22, 2014 1:55 am

James S Saint wrote:And scientists don't decide when to use what they make. Doctors, politicians, business men, bankers, and military minds do that. #-o

And don't forget the people of the judiciary, the media, and the education system.
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