Will machines completely replace all human beings?

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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:09 am

obe wrote:James,I dont believe it or disbelieve it, and that is why I stay in the non committal column. it may or may not happen, but for now, it seems more probable to me that this could be avoided in some way, and it's not a forgone conclusion.

If they could do it, what would stop them? Why wouldn't they?
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:22 am

Now the only thing which would stop them is the lack of productivity, putting hordes of people out of their jobs would be counterproductive. A gradual conversion taking profit/loss considerations into account, equalizing changing marketing considerations may work better.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:01 am

obe wrote:Now the only thing which would stop them is the lack of productivity, putting hordes of people out of their jobs would be counterproductive. A gradual conversion taking profit/loss considerations into account, equalizing changing marketing considerations may work better.

..and replacing the hordes of unemployed with androids. The only issue is one of timing, not going too fast such as to raise alarm and not going so slow that the androids don't get developed. Both of those procedures are currently employed.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:07 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:A society or culture has to have a real antithesis (and not a artificial one), else it can't be a real thesis. But if it is a real thesis with a real antithesis, then it becomes sooner or later a synthesis. And after that this sysnthesis becomes the new thesis, either a real or not a real one. The older a society (culture) the more artificial its thesis and so on.

Life only has one Thesis. Thus it only has one Anti-thesis. But life includes the act of learning and adjusting accordingly. The issue is when people try to hold onto a set of adjustments that no longer apply and thus stop learning.

When they can't clearly discern life from non-life, they guess. And when they believe that they have guessed correctly, they try to hold onto it. They become religious about it. So they err in two ways. First they err by not understanding what Life really is and then they werr by attempting to hold onto that error. Such societies (just about all of them) end up having to almost die out entirely before they are willing to try a different guess. Thus you see change as something they gave up in order to buy into something else of hope (a new page in history).

But in an actual society of Life, many changes are taking place all the time without concern. Thus one can no longer say that a new page has been turned, that is until they lose Life and begin the road to death. There is no "new synthesis" to an actual life.

A NEW THESIS, James, because the synthesis becomes a new thesis. Life with no synthesis would be very boring, merely acting (thesis) and reacting (antithesis), no qualitative change. There would be no qualitative development without any synthesis (and further: no new thesis). Humans changed their lives - compare the humans of the Stone Age and the humans of the last 6000 years.

Without any synthesis life would be merely a ping pong game because it would merely consist of thesis and antthesis, for example: action and reaction.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:09 pm

Arminius wrote:A NEW THESIS, James, because the synthesis becomes a new thesis. Life with no synthesis would be very boring, merely acting (thesis) and reacting (antithesis), no qualitative change. There would be no qualitative development without any synthesis (and further: no new thesis). Humans changed their lives - compare the humans of the Stone Age and the humans of the last 6000 years.

Without any synthesis life would be merely a ping pong game because it would merely consist of thesis and antthesis, for example: action and reaction.

I think that what you are calling a "new thesis" is what I call merely "learning".

For example, the USA Constitution allows for adaptation. The particular laws change through time, but not the fundamental laws. A life can change a great deal of the particulars as to how it accomplishes particular things, but the fundamental method of life remains the same (else it wouldn't be "life" anymore).

A synthesis is the result of a fundamental method applied to a particular situation. If the entity cannot learn, that synthesis doesn't change through time. But if that fundamental method involves learning, the resultant behavior (the synthesis) changes even though the method doesn't. Instead, the living entity adapts or learns and thus forms a new synthesis while remaining the same fundamental method called "life".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Sun Jun 22, 2014 5:32 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:A NEW THESIS, James, because the synthesis becomes a new thesis. Life with no synthesis would be very boring, merely acting (thesis) and reacting (antithesis), no qualitative change. There would be no qualitative development without any synthesis (and further: no new thesis). Humans changed their lives - compare the humans of the Stone Age and the humans of the last 6000 years.

Without any synthesis life would be merely a ping pong game because it would merely consist of thesis and antthesis, for example: action and reaction.

I think that what you are calling a "new thesis" is what I call merely "learning".

For example, the USA Constitution allows for adaptation. The particular laws change through time, but not the fundamental laws. A life can change a great deal of the particulars as to how it accomplishes particular things, but the fundamental method of life remains the same (else it wouldn't be "life" anymore).

A synthesis is the result of a fundamental method applied to a particular situation. If the entity cannot learn, that synthesis doesn't change through time. But if that fundamental method involves learning, the resultant behavior (the synthesis) changes even though the method doesn't. Instead, the living entity adapts or learns and thus forms a new synthesis while remaining the same fundamental method called "life".






Learning and synthesis, they are at least, relational terms. But what of this relationship? What is being synthesized? And how is that learned? The fact is, they are not always synonymous, and a 'learned' synthesis is one which has become a new thesis, and an unlearned one is still a synthetic. But at least it has the potential to be learned, so it is an a-priori synthetic.

But besides being only terms, their potentiality, when given the opportunity to become actual, will apply to specific situations, and hence become a new analytic :the new thesis.

James, some of the arguments are like refreshers for me,to try to get back into relevance and connections of forgotten concepts, If i seem abstruse or off the beaten track pls. excuse that.

Nevertheless, the connections between Your substantiality as learning, and the purely dialectical treatment do have relevance, even if it is most tenuous.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:13 pm

James S Saint wrote:I think that what you are calling a "new thesis" is what I call merely "learning".

Yes and no - because I meant it more as a kind of development as in Hegel's "Dialektik" (thesis => antithesis => synthesis), but also in a kind of a learning process (which is also a development, but not a so much general one as the dialectic process). One doesn't have to be a 100% Hegeilan in order to use his "Dialektik". But in this case it fits once again.

obe wrote:Learning and synthesis, they are at least, relational terms. But what of this relationship? What is being synthesized? And how is that learned? The fact is, they are not always synonymous, and a 'learned' synthesis is one which has become a new thesis, and an unlearned one is still a synthetic. But at least it has the potential to be learned, so it is an a-priori synthetic.

But besides being only terms, their potentiality, when given the opportunity to become actual, will apply to specific situations, and hence become a new analytic :the new thesis.

Yes, one could say it in this way too.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:34 pm

Let's see if we can gets these concepts straight here.

Life is a specific process in the universe. When a life is in a particular circumstance, it behaves in a particular way different than other circumstances. That particular behavior is called the synthesis of "Life + that particular circumstance". If you change the circumstance of that same life, it behaves differently. That different behavior is the synthesis of "Life + that different circumstance" or a "different synthesis".

What a life fundamentally is does not change with different circumstances, just as what a square fundamentally is doesn't change. But life does not behave in only one manner regardless of its circumstance. To discover how life behaves in a particular circumstance, one must insert a life into the circumstance and watch the synthesis reveal itself. But the life is not the synthesis, but rather the fundamental effort that inspired the synthesis within that circumstance.

A part of the fundamental process of life is adjusting its circumstance. And a portion of life's circumstance involves memory. So when the memories change, the synthesis of the life+circumstance change, a changed behavior arises. But it is still life, still doing what life always does, merely in a circumstance of new memories. The memories are not the life itself, but a portion of its circumstances.

So through learning, the behavior of a life will change yielding new syntheses. But what defines it to be life doesn't change at all. A spinning square, a jumping square, or a blinking square, is still a square.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Moreno » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:15 am

Once you conceive of humans as chemical machines it is only a matter of time/technology where strong forces will move to replace humans. This could be in the traditional replacement via a robot AI or it could be a Ship of Theseus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus) replacement via
'enhancement and tweaking' all the coming nano, gene, transhuman techs. The latter is more pernicious since one can think that identity is retained as one or one's species gradually becomes something else. (and something else conceived of by technicians and shallow egos).

Though my main point here was the first one. Once we began to be seen as machines (however much they ooh and ah over our complexity or whatever) we were well on the road to being treated as machines, including being replaced by
'better' models.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:33 am

There is a bifocal perspective, if we talk about "replacement":

    1.) B replaces A not bit by bit (B instead of A, but not bit by bit). The two bodies remain separately, and one of them relaces the other as a whole.
    2.) B replaces A bit by bit, and in the end A is B or reamains A as a B.
I consider all possibilities in this thread.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:54 pm

Arminius wrote:There is a bifocal perspective, if we talk about "replacement":

    1.) B replaces A not bit by bit (B instead of A, but not bit by bit). The two bodies remain separately, and one of them relaces the other as a whole.
    2.) B replaces A bit by bit, and in the end A is B or reamains A as a B.
I consider all possibilities in this thread.




In any case, as this bit by bit exchange occurs, if A is changed into B, but A is kept as the model, or not, after a duration of X time, the fact is A will = B. They will be indistinguishable. The plasticity surrounding the conversion will require closer and closer approximation to the original, and the plasticity (the appearance) of the simulacra will have to become progressively resembling the original. (the sell) Therefore, the requirement is that B will become the exact duplicate of A. In that case, no difference will be observed, except at the time of creation,termination, but this too, will have to be dealt with when the time comes. Only a very few, top 'CREATORS' will really know this technique, for fear of subversion and other issues, and as the technology becomes unreachable progressively, the synthetic-creator will replace the human one.

Now here enters an interesting scenario. A virtually indistinguishable plastic=fantastic Descartes will question the EVIL GENIUS as to the feasibility of the very synthesis of man and machine as a certainty. and a super philosophy may inquire of the possibility that eternal return is simply this/ the CREATION of the simulacra of the dual nature of reality.

By an eternal CREATOR.

I would like to pre-empt a foreseeable objection about the conceivability of creation,termination. In the beginning...the commercial development, marketing, and sales of such 'products' will be exceedingly high. As capitalistic supply and demand curves begin to slope into more affordable areas, the usual development and sales figures will jump significantly. The previous super wealthy, will, use life extension, also on a progressive scale, to justify their bit by bit conversion, until they do not recognize, that ultimately, their most private parts will also need to be replaced. By this time, the costs will be enormous, but as with all newly created products, it will again become more reasonable, as other wealthy, as usually ,loose their fortunes, and cheaper products will need to be developed to deal with the newly emerging markets of those with the need for these types of products, but with affordability issues. By these times the creators may instill a program requirement of non recognition, or the purchasers may not recognize themselves.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:25 pm

obe wrote:In any case, as this bit by bit exchange occurs, if A is changed into B, but A is kept as the model, or not, after a duration of X time, the fact is A will = B.

(1) In one case there are two different bodies: (1,1) machine, (1,2) human being. The machine does not become an android, and the human being does not become a cyborg, They bodily have nothing to do with each other. So they remain what they are. But someday one of them is completely replaced by the other, for example in this way: the last human being dies without any offspring and becomes replaced by the machine. The processes occur outside of the human body, not inside of the human body (as in case 2).

(2) In the other case a or the last human being is replaced little by little, bit by bit. So the human being becomes a cyborg. The machine may become an android but never become the human being. The human being may become a cyborg but never become a machine. So replacement has to happen. In this case an android (thus: machine) replaces a cyborg (thus: human being). The processes occur inside of the human body, not outside of the human body (as in case 1).

So the processes are very differerent, although the results are alike or even equal. In the first case (1) the bodiies remain the same until complete replacement, and in the second case (2) one body does not remain the same because it becomes replaced little by little, bit by bit. In the first case the processes occur outside of the bodies, and in the second case (2) the processes occur inside of the human body.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:36 pm

obe wrote:I would like to pre-empt a foreseeable objection about the conceivability of creation,termination. In the beginning...the commercial development, marketing, and sales of such 'products' will be exceedingly high. As capitalistic supply and demand curves begin to slope into more affordable areas, the usual development and sales figures will jump significantly. The previous super wealthy, will, use life extension, also on a progressive scale, to justify their bit by bit conversion, until they do not recognize, that ultimately, their most private parts will also need to be replaced. By this time, the costs will be enormous, but as with all newly created products, it will again become more reasonable, as other wealthy, as usually ,loose their fortunes, and cheaper products will need to be developed to deal with the newly emerging markets of those with the need for these types of products, but with affordability issues. By these times the creators may instill a program requirement of non recognition, or the purchasers may not recognize themselves.

First, "cost" is relative. By definition, the wealthy can afford the "cost", else they aren't wealthy. And the less money they have, the less-wealthy have even less than that.

Second, when the wealthy want something, they use machines to make it less costly, even if it is more machines they want. And they use the confusion of remaining homosapians to make the machines actually negative-costly, profitable.

So the wealthy actually replace homosapians for free and in the end, no longer have to hide their criminality, as there is no one left to hide it from.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:03 am

James S Saint wrote:
obe wrote:I would like to pre-empt a foreseeable objection about the conceivability of creation,termination. In the beginning...the commercial development, marketing, and sales of such 'products' will be exceedingly high. As capitalistic supply and demand curves begin to slope into more affordable areas, the usual development and sales figures will jump significantly. The previous super wealthy, will, use life extension, also on a progressive scale, to justify their bit by bit conversion, until they do not recognize, that ultimately, their most private parts will also need to be replaced. By this time, the costs will be enormous, but as with all newly created products, it will again become more reasonable, as other wealthy, as usually ,loose their fortunes, and cheaper products will need to be developed to deal with the newly emerging markets of those with the need for these types of products, but with affordability issues. By these times the creators may instill a program requirement of non recognition, or the purchasers may not recognize themselves.

First, "cost" is relative. By definition, the wealthy can afford the "cost", else they aren't wealthy. And the less money they have, the less-wealthy have even less than that.

Second, when the wealthy want something, they use machines to make it less costly, even if it is more machines they want. And they use the confusion of remaining homosapians to make the machines actually negative-costly, profitable.

So the wealthy actually replace homosapians for free and in the end, no longer have to hide their criminality, as there is no one left to hide it from.

Yes, but the rich (powerful) risk that they will also be replaced by machines. The greatest human megalomania of all time.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:55 am

Arminius wrote:Yes, but the rich (powerful) risk that they will also be replaced by machines. The greatest human megalomania of all time.

Yes, and so, assuming they manage to remove ALL humans not of their clan, what do they do then? Live happily ever after? Watch I Love Lucy reruns throughout eternity? What are the chances.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:06 am

Bad. This has precedence with Howard Hughes spending the last years of his life sealed up, literally in the high rise penthouse of a Los Vegas hotel, watching endless re-runs of old Hollywood movies, some of which he produced, and some of whose leading ladies he seduced.
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you be men
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bow,
Then, your obedient

servant now.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:08 am

obe wrote:Bad. This has precedence with Howard Hughes spending the last years of his life sealed up, literally in the high rise penthouse of a Los Vegas hotel, watching endless re-runs of old Hollywood movies, some of which he produced, and some of whose leading ladies he seduced.

Someone's reaction to truth, doesn't change what the truth is, merely what it might become.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:13 am

That is absolutely true.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:39 am

News flash: Japan introduced the first android newscaster.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:42 am

obe wrote:News flash: Japan introduced the first android newscaster.

Good thing they have those Androids to handle those terribly dangerous tasks that no human could handle. :shock:
:-"
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Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:15 am

Yes, but one thing leads to another. Mind You, James, I am still in the non-committal stance, I saw the video on U tube, and the robots look very artificial and stilted. The voices are convincing, but they have a way-way to go with developing a simulacra of believability. However, it still is, quite an achievement. Given other upcoming projects such as the alleged introduction of self driving cars within a year, or less, it is a wonder, if the economic affordability will not kick in in the near or far future. Of course the military is funding this to take the slack out of the demand curve, and yet, can a limitless development be envisioned, where designs will be put out,(before they were called hypotheticals) with absolute no expectation of marketability near term. The answer to that may be that there ceased to be any distinction between near and far term expectations. Product development may have gathered such a momentum, that it is no longer a concern whether market potential has any bearing on development. It may just be, another pleasure machine, with larger and more expanding economic interest and investment all around, fueling the most important cornerstone of world wide economy.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:25 am

obe wrote:Yes, but one thing leads to another. Mind You, James, I am still in the non-committal stance, I saw the video on U tube, and the robots look very artificial and stilted. The voices are convincing, but they have a way-way to go with developing a simulacra of believability. However, it still is, quite an achievement. Given other upcoming projects such as the alleged introduction of self driving cars within a year, or less, it is a wonder, if the economic affordability will not kick in in the near or far future. Of course the military is funding this to take the slack out of the demand curve, and yet, can a limitless development be envisioned, where designs will be put out,(before they were called hypotheticals) with absolute no expectation of marketability near term. The answer to that may be that there ceased to be any distinction between near and far term expectations. Product development may have gathered such a momentum, that it is no longer a concern whether market potential has any bearing on development. It may just be, another pleasure machine, with larger and more expanding economic interest and investment all around, fueling the most important cornerstone of world wide economy.

You are just talking about how they are trying to get there... this time around. And it seems that with every post, you present even more evidence that they are going to keep trying until they do: "Try, try again!"

The real question is whether they will ever find a reason to just not go there, stop trying. Why would they ever stop trying to replace people with machines? Their good nature? You're kidding right? These are the same people who slaughter millions for sake of minor manipulated agreements between nations. To them, people are merely tools and one tool is as good as another as long as it gets the job done: As long as they get to be God in the end - "Godwannabes".
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:48 am

Kidding or not, the whole structure of this argument rests or falls on the idea of limits. I think from an epistemological point of view, the notion of what is implied in the idea of Satan's battle on Mankind, if He were to become become God.However metaphysics has is one up on physics in this respect, the idea of aesthetic limits, the should versus the is, the agreeable aesthetic distance will reaffirm the advantages of the Faustian Man. The very early serpent simply could not do the necessary thinking that requires knowledge to reach the god. After the initial thought , the inspiration(that of the Word was begotten of) became the ether, through we actually can breathe. That is, the Holy Spirit, the Human consciousness. When these areas between the seeming limitless, and the actually limited will collide, at the day of reckoning, it will be as a dramatic demonstration to those whose grasp reality does not extend beyond the visual, but as subtly almost unnoticeable to those, who see limits as useful, natural reminders of what the Creation is all about.

As far as millions killed, well yes, the transhuman God will kindly re tribute with the two edged sword of the Karmic effects at that day of reckoning, which incidentally, has already began.



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In answer to your prayer
sincere, the centre of
your circle here,
i stand ; and , without
taking thought,-
i know nothing. But i can

Full well your need-as
you be men
This: Re-Creation. With a
bow,
Then, your obedient

servant now.
One gift is all i find in me,
And that is faithful
memory
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:25 am

Well, if you want to bring metaphysics into this...

Roughly around 1350 AD, Satan was released from his bonds to be granted a 1000 year reign that we are currently experiencing, just as predicted. So around 2350 AD, the game would be over. And as its seems, and as Moses foresaw, everything will change to be different. And a part of that change seems to be that homosapians will no longer exist, certainly not as such. And that is about the same time that transhumanists believe as the end of homosapian as well.

I can tell you the general nature of what happens next, but not whether homosapian will be there to enjoy it.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:32 pm

James S Saint wrote:Roughly around 1350 AD, Satan was released from his bonds to be granted a 1000 year reign that we are currently experiencing, just as predicted. So around 2350 AD, the game would be over.

Roughly around 1350 AD the pest began.
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