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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:10 pm

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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:36 am

Back to modern times:

What do you think about Luddism, Neo-Luddism, and Neo-Neo-Luddism?

Named after Ned Ludd, a youth who allegedly smashed two stocking frames in 1779, and whose name had become emblematic of machine destroyers. Ned Ludd was allegedly called General Ludd or King Ludd, a figure who, like Robin Hood, was reputed to live in Sherwood Forest.

Here are some pictures (from Luddism to Neo-Luddism, and perhaps the beginnig of Neo-Neo-Luddism):

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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:51 am

Arminius wrote:Back to modern times:

What do you think about Luddism, Neo-Luddism, and Neo-Neo-Luddism?

Named after Ned Ludd, a youth who allegedly smashed two stocking frames in 1779, and whose name had become emblematic of machine destroyers. Ned Ludd was allegedly called General Ludd or King Ludd, a figure who, like Robin Hood, was reputed to live in Sherwood Forest.

Until people understand their own purpose in life and that of machines, there will always be discontent with the use of machines.

There is a "good" use for machines and there is a "bad" use for machines.

The good use involves the very impetus and needs of a life. If a machine is not increasing the Integral Sum of Joy, ISJ, in a society by its use, it should not be used. But the analysis of ISJ is very complex and far from being within the purview of the average person.

It is unethical to use machines for any other purpose, such as merely to gain money.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:20 pm

James S Saint wrote:Until people understand their own purpose in life and that of machines, there will always be discontent with the use of machines.

There is a "good" use for machines and there is a "bad" use for machines.

The good use involves the very impetus and needs of a life. If a machine is not increasing the Integral Sum of Joy, ISJ, in a society by its use, it should not be used. But the analysis of ISJ is very complex and far from being within the purview of the average person.

It is unethical to use machines for any other purpose, such as merely to gain money.

Yes, but money - thus: power (control, interest and so on) - is the purpose machines are used for.

Apropos money: we should have more than one currency, and the first one should be a currency of knowledge, wisdom, Information.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:30 pm

Currency is loosing it's appeal day to day, as gold and silver have lost their luster. Virtual money credit cards debit cards, and now internet money is progressively taking the image of money away. When a critical point in confidence in social value be reached, then, there will no longer be the need for an international foundation to the concept of equity/exchange, and will resolve its' as it's own reflexive barter.

The reason: exchange is reaching unmanageable levels. Another world meltdown may not even be manageable by the World Bank. Value evaluation has become a minute by minute supercomputer preoccupation.


In a gross reappraisal of values, the only possible scenario for this is a cyberattack of totally devastating proportions, where all current values are irradicated. This too, may happen , the lack of recognition of this is no longer a matter of transvaluation, but a re-calibration.

It's probably not at all, what "they think" it is, meaning some head exec honcho at world bank. he is probably a self pre occupied, joker, more concerned with his immediate surroundings, then with what's going on worldwide.

His main concern thereof is not the affirmation of which he may have a suspicion of, that it's not readily forthcoming in reality, but an undefined, scorning burning need to connect with a credible venue. Robert Macnamara held the job after the secretary of defense job.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:14 pm

Arminius wrote:Apropos money: we should have more than one currency, and the first one should be acurrency of knowledge, wisdom, Information.

Interestingly, you are now "taking my words". :o

Yes, multi-money is the way to go wherein there are different kinds of money that can only be used for specific purposes. It would be a bit like food stamp cards that can't be used for other things, but not so particular as that.

Life fundamentally requires 2 things;
1) Awareness
2) Understanding
3) Influence

Those are what all money by EACH person should be used for. And the objective is to keep the three balanced, never too much of one, else the entire group is lost. So spend money to gain awareness. Spend money to gain understanding. And spend money to gain influence. But keep them proportional, never more influence that awareness or understanding.

By having three separate economies, the three are more confined to being proportional.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:22 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:Apropos money: we should have more than one currency, and the first one should be acurrency of knowledge, wisdom, Information.

Interestingly, you are now "taking my words". :o

Yes, multi-money is the way to go wherein there are different kinds of money that can only be used for specific purposes. It would be a bit like food stamp cards that can't be used for other things, but not so particular as that.

Life fundamentally requires 2 things;
1) Awareness
2) Understanding
3) Influence

Those are what all money by EACH person should be used for. And the objective is to keep the three balanced, never too much of one, else the entire group is lost. So spend money to gain awareness. Spend money to gain understanding. And spend money to gain influence. But keep them proportional, never more influence that awareness or understanding.

By having three separate economies, the three are more confined to being proportional.




Similar to checks and balances ...
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:08 am

Due to the fact that the money economy, also known as monetarism or finance, is too much in line with energetic resources we would have a very much better economy, if it were more in line with knowledge, wisdom, information than with energetic resources.

Another point is the relation of production and reproduction. All fertility rates have to be almost equal, and after that (not before and during that) the rich and the poor will also become more equal, not equal - because that is impossible -, but relaitively equal. That is a fair deal. Else the result will be: Stone Age or even extinction!

But the more the machines are successful the more the human beings are threatened with extinction.

So we have three great modern human erros or mistakes: 1.) the disproportionate and thus wrong/false input of machines; 2.) the disproportionate and thus wrong/false demographic policy (population policy); 3.) the disproportionate and thus wrong/false concentration on energetic resources (instead of knowledge, wisdom, information) by the money economy.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Fri Jul 04, 2014 2:34 am

there will be a showdown of the ultimate 1-2-3, energy will play the key card and machines and population levels irrespective of rich or poor will take the backseat. so the showdown at ok corall will be between machines and people. will there be a war of the worlds? looks like it unless the place energy plays into this scheme can be changed.I would say out people front and center and let the machines work it out with their source of power. Let machines die a RESPECTFUL death, or, let them become energy sufficient to the degree as these sources decline. machines should be calibrated;to utilize and upgrade their efficiency in direct proportion to energy depletion/conversion
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:12 am

Hyperbolism, hedonism, utilitarianism, individualism and all the other nihilisms are those problems, which became as much bigger as the attempt to control them in order to prevent chaos, anarchy, and - last but not least - overthrow, downfall. It's a vicious circle.

So a solution of the three great modern human erros or mistakes seems to be impossible: 1.) the disproportionate and thus wrong/false input of machines; 2.) the disproportionate and thus wrong/false demographic policy (population policy); 3.) the disproportionate and thus wrong/false concentration on energetic resources (instead of knowledge, wisdom, information) by the money economy.

No one wants to take responsibility!

Do you have any suggestion?
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby ralfy » Sat Jul 05, 2014 2:17 pm

As pointed out earlier, we are looking at peak oil, global warming coupled with environmental damage, and one financial crisis after another.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Orbie » Sat Jul 05, 2014 6:18 pm

Yes. Naturalism. This is not a nihilism. Simply put, let nature take it's it's irresistible course, the recalibration of its powers, let it be.

What happens then? When no amount of mechanistic interference can correct but cosmetically make it as appear corrected? Politics of selfhood will automatically clash first, resulting in wars, again corrective and made up wars, to try to contain the major faults, which could destroy the whole lubricious edifice.

Let it be and these minor skirmishes , these plastic ancient stab in the back desert acts, will be enough to mystify and confound. Actually, it is the desert where the source of power lies, and it is in the desert where these powers where the plastic acts play out. But as plastic goes, it is as virtual as it gets, try connecting ancient texts with shadowy, shallow one dimensional representations of them?

Your circular reasoning makes sense thus, but it is an ellipse no? The viscousness of the circle sucks in more information but gathers it in it's hungry mouth of a singularity, and seems to swallow it whole. But is this what happens? No. It is chewed up and spit out, and again reassembled in some other far out galaxy, perhaps , as You and me, again rearguing this unaware, that this has been going on since for ever.

I think some of the worry is predicated in the negativity of dismissing similitude, as a model, and the fear of castration has a lot to do with it.

Nature will take care of it, and to see things in a completely different light as say before the en-lightenment, is an error of perception and not of reception. We live in constant angst, because of this structural misapprehension of the difference. Nature will be due for a gross correction, whatever new machines are put in place.

Remember, the human machine, is as of yet unparalleled, and, when the machine gets into critical proximity, all hell will be set loose, and the machine flung there.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:01 am

Obe wrote:Your circular reasoning makes sense thus, but it is an ellipse no? The viscousness of the circle sucks in more information but gathers it in it's hungry mouth of a singularity, and seems to swallow it whole. But is this what happens?

Probably it is an spiralic ellipse, in any case a spiralic (spiral-cyclic) development.

What could be the "singularity" you mentioned?
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:52 pm

Why is there this huge disproportion between (1.) machines and humans to the disadvantage of humans, (2.) population of poor and population of rich countries to the disadvantage of about 99% of all humans; (3.) energetic resources and other resources to the disadvantage of non-energetic resources?

The first impression may be that there is no disadvantage of humans (=> 1.), of about 99% of all humans (=> 2.), of non-enegertic resources (=> 3.), but is that really true? The paradox is that the past, present, and some of the future advantages will change to disadvantages in the (long run) future. So we can call this "advantages" as "short advantages", or as "pretended advantages", or even as "disadvantages" because the prize is to high, and the prize has to be paid by all humans: the probable extinction of the humans because of a very short moment of wealth for very few generations of the humans!

So if we want to keep wealth, we have to correct the three great modern human errors or mistakes (=> 1., 2., 3.). The only alternative to that correction is the extinction of all humans.

We must take another direction and slow down.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:45 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:Apropos money: we should have more than one currency, and the first one should be acurrency of knowledge, wisdom, Information.

Interestingly, you are now "taking my words". :o

Yes, multi-money is the way to go wherein there are different kinds of money that can only be used for specific purposes. It would be a bit like food stamp cards that can't be used for other things, but not so particular as that.

Life fundamentally requires 2 things;
1) Awareness
2) Understanding
3) Influence

Those are what all money by EACH person should be used for. And the objective is to keep the three balanced, never too much of one, else the entire group is lost. So spend money to gain awareness. Spend money to gain understanding. And spend money to gain influence. But keep them proportional, never more influence that awareness or understanding.

By having three separate economies, the three are more confined to being proportional.

And which currencies do you suggest?
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:36 pm

A text from MNN:

MNN wrote:Computers take over

It may sound a lot like the plot of “The Terminator,” but computer technology is advancing daily and some believe that self-aware machines could become self-replicating and take over. After all, there are few areas of life where computers don’t intrude — they run banks, hospitals, stock markets and airports. Previously, computers were only as good as the humans using them, but artificial intelligence has the potential to create independently acting machines capable of outsmarting or destroying their creators.

Renowned scientist Stephen Hawking thinks computers could be a threat and argues that humans should be genetically engineered in order to compete with the phenomenal growth of artificial intelligence. In a recent interview he even said, “The danger is real that they could develop intelligence and take over the world.” The idea of a computer takeover may sound absurd, but you never know, we could be in the Matrix right now.

Besides the fact that Hawking's statement "that they could develop intelligence " is stupid - because computers have been developing intelligence for so long - the danger is real that machines take over the world. The probability is about 80%, I estimate.

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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:10 pm

Arminius wrote:And which currencies do you suggest?

They would have to be newly created, although the current "greenback" could be used as one of the three (for example).

Arminius wrote:Besides the fact that Hawking's statement "that they could develop intelligence " is stupid - because computers have been developing intelligence for so long - the danger is real that machines take over the world.

And look at his solution for the possible problem ==> Redesign the human DNA.

Either way, humanity is lost. And how does the media treat it all? "Mutations occur all the time". "Now in then in nature, sudden cataclysmic changes in DNA genes shift the balance of life." "You might get super-powers as a mutant." "Look how much easier life is for those with implants." "Professionals always use technological enhancements."....

I would say that 80% is a low estimate.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:00 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:And which currencies do you suggest?

They would have to be newly created, although the current "greenback" could be used as one of the three (for example).

As one of the three, yes, that is possible.

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:Besides the fact that Hawking's statement "that they could develop intelligence " is stupid - because computers have been developing intelligence for so long - the danger is real that machines take over the world.

And look at his solution for the possible problem ==> Redesign the human DNA.

Either way, humanity is lost. And how does the media treat it all? "Mutations occur all the time". "Now in then in nature, sudden cataclysmic changes in DNA genes shift the balance of life." "You might get super-powers as a mutant." "Look how much easier life is for those with implants." "Professionals always use technological enhancements."....

I would say that 80% is a low estimate.

Maybe. I have included my wishes and hopes. 8)

"We could be in the Matrix right now" - what do you think about that statement?
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:49 pm

Arminius wrote:"We could be in the Matrix right now" - what do you think about that statement?

Depending on who you mean by "we" and by using the proper metaphor, "we" definitely are.

The issue is one of believing what you see from the media. The media spins a virtual reality image of world events, fake or at least strongly exaggerated. So what the average person believes to be real, is "just a program". They live in that program as a part of it without realizing how much of it is fake. Some things are supposed to be believed as fake so as to give creditability to other things. It's just psychological trickery played on the masses.

Morpheus, in the story is trying to find Neo, a super hero who can "get in the system/program and help the Zionists free the people and save Zion from the evil Architect of the 'System'". So metaphorically speaking, it is largely an account of reality.

But no, I don't think that my mind is physically connected to a large physical massive computer wherein I am but a small program inside, unless you are talking about the universe itself.

My particular issue is that I believe BOTH sides of that fight are sociopathic mass murderers.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:13 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Arminius wrote:"We could be in the Matrix right now" - what do you think about that statement?

Depending on who you mean by "we" and by using the proper metaphor, "we" definitely are.

The issue is one of believing what you see from the media. The media spins a virtual reality image of world events, fake or at least strongly exaggerated. So what the average person believes to be real, is "just a program". They live in that program as a part of it without realizing how much of it is fake.

That reminds us of Platon's "Cave Allegory":

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Like prisoners people are chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is the wall of the cave. Behind them burns a fire. Between the fire and the prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers can walk. The puppeteers, who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by objects that they do not see. If the prisoners were released, they could turn their heads and see the real objects. Then they would realize their error.

Instead of "unable to turn their heads" we could say: "unable to use their brains in the right way".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Wed Jul 16, 2014 12:30 am

Yep, good analogy.

And RM:AO was designed specially to get out of that cave. Through RM:AO, one can know that he knows, not merely guess about shadows.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:14 am

James S Saint wrote:Yep, good analogy.

And RM:AO was designed specially to get out of that cave.

Yes, that thought suggests itself to me too.

You once told me that you are "a bit like Hegel". Is it right, if I say you are also a bit like Platon?
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:52 am

Arminius wrote:
James S Saint wrote:Yep, good analogy.

And RM:AO was designed specially to get out of that cave.

Yes, that thought suggests itself to me too.

You once told me that you are "a bit like Hegel". Is it right, if I say you are also a bit like Platon?

Oh please, I would rather not be compared to amateurs. :wink:
:lol:

Well, please forgive my brief moment of pride. 8-[

Everyone has similarities. The big difference is in vantage points, or perspectives. I can see what they could not. But they could see things that I can not. More specifically, I know how to know with certainty, not probability (what I hesitantly mention as what some people call "knowing God/Truth").

They guessed at what seemed to be principles of reality and from that, chose to form Truth and manage Man. I, like them, also can form Truth. But unlike them, I don't have to guess at the principles of reality and I do it by an open and honest method called "RM". But yeah, otherwise, we are a little similar, "metaphysicists" constructing Truth above what the priests contemplate. There are four levels of intelligence in society. The top level is involved in forming what it is that you call "Truth". Some do so with deception in mind in order to gain a prize. Very few do so altruistically.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby Arminius » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:59 am

Okay, I forgive you. :obscene-smokingred:

James S Saint wrote:There are four levels of intelligence in society. The top level is involved in forming what it is that you call "Truth".

Would you please name the other three levels?

James S Saint wrote: Some do so with deception in mind in order to gain a prize.

Relatively many do so.

James S Saint wrote:Very few do so altruistically.

That's true.
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Re: Will machines completely replace all human beings?

Postby James S Saint » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:27 am

Arminius wrote:Would you please name the other three levels?

0) Reality itself; determining how the entire universe behaves.

1) Ontological Architects; choosing which concepts are going to be allowed into the minds of men, "which angels are allowed on Earth", choosing the "gods" of Man, and providing for that void between above and below, doing all things indirectly. Sometimes referred to as the "ascended" or "lords".

2) Religious Architects and Leaders; choosing how the "gods"/principles are to be obeyed through governing/maintaining thoughts and emotions, regulating the Perception of Hopes and Threats through subtle methods; value assignments ("money"), pestilence/diseases, and communication; "Media Networks", "Social Networks", "Rumor Mills", "Secret Orders", "Banking", and "Medical Treatments".

3) Government Architects and Leaders; governing/maintaining actions, militarily regulating constraints and freedoms, the "Laws of the Land".

4) Masses; suffering in ignorance of what is going on above and around them, blinded in the confusion and on occasion, saved by the order.

When (2) and (3) are combined, you get a Pharaoh King and lustful "Godwannabe" having far too much power for his degree of discipline and understanding.

Note that I didn't say that any of them are particularly good at what they do. Frankly I prefer that the top and bottom get stitched a lot closer together so as to quail and prevent the malignancy that leads to so very much needless suffering.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
.
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