The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

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Does life make sense?

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:29 pm

Alf wrote:But is that a proof or evidence that life makes no sense (to you)?


How would You determine that life makes no sense to someone? What would You take to be proof or evidence ~~ aside from one's words to that effect?
SAPERE AUDE!


If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:55 pm

Brando wrote:I think that life is what the whole is in a sense of immediacy. It must be integrated into a Mediation. Perhaps by Music, which sets categorial perception on controlled Change. In this way a certain Musical way/direction mirrors social Relations. And this does mediate life.

Music could be the best.

Just for comparison.

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:29 pm

Arminius wrote:
Brando wrote:I think that life is what the whole is in a sense of immediacy. It must be integrated into a Mediation. Perhaps by Music, which sets categorial perception on controlled Change. In this way a certain Musical way/direction mirrors social Relations. And this does mediate life.

Music could be the best.

Just for comparison.

Greetings from Spain. :)

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Ravel's Bolera comes to mind here. There was a time when I found it to be a bit boring and tedious until I really listened deeply to it. It reminds me of such controlled Change.More of a meditation than a mediation. But I am not sure what is meant by mediation in his instance.
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Mithus » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:54 pm

Arminius wrote:Greetings from Spain.

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Is that you, Arminius? :o
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:07 pm

No.

I am this of course:

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby James S Saint » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:55 pm

...I just knew he had dark blue eyes... :-"
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby MagsJ » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:52 pm

Arminius wrote:No.

I am this of course:

..that is not how I pictured you look at all, Arminius.

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..you been taking advantage of the clubbing facilities? I hope so.. :-D
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:20 pm

James S Saint wrote:...I just knew he had dark blue eyes... :-"

:lol:

A good one.

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8) (The similarities are purely coincidental, by the way.)

MagsJ wrote:
Arminius wrote:No.

I am this of course:

..that is not how I pictured you look at all, Arminius.

Why? I mean how did you picture my look then?

MagsJ wrote:
Greetings from Spain:

..you been taking advantage of the clubbing facilities? I hope so.. :-D

Yes. But being like "SAM", San Jaime (Saint James :P ) is for all guests here in this area.

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Brando » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:53 am

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Arminius wrote:
Brando wrote:I think that life is what the whole is in a sense of immediacy. It must be integrated into a Mediation. Perhaps by Music, which sets categorial perception on controlled Change. In this way a certain Musical way/direction mirrors social Relations. And this does mediate life.

Music could be the best.

Just for comparison.

Greetings from Spain. :)

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Ravel's Bolera comes to mind here. There was a time when I found it to be a bit boring and tedious until I really listened deeply to it. It reminds me of such controlled Change.More of a meditation than a mediation. But I am not sure what is meant by mediation in his instance.



Meditation is well. Another aspect: Nietzsches favours the Artist even with philosophical questions. In art some Relations are wrapped, and we may ask what does this mean for science. Perhaps an outer perspective on science, e.g. questions like that for truth, couldn't be established, but are thematised in art. As a consequence some other questions like that for life couldn't be streamlined.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby phyllo » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:44 pm

Meditation is well. Another aspect: Nietzsches favours the Artist even with philosophical questions. In art some Relations are wrapped, and we may ask what does this mean for science. Perhaps an outer perspective on science, e.g. questions like that for truth, couldn't be established, but are thematised in art. As a consequence some other questions like that for life couldn't be streamlined.
What does this mean for science?

What does this entire post mean???

Are you doing a Google translate from another language? Cause it ain't working. :evil:
"Only the educated are free" - Epictetus
"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy" -Beethoven
"Everyday life is the way" -Wumen
"Do not permit the events of your daily life to bind you, but never withdraw yourself from them" - Wumen
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Brando » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:31 pm

phyllo wrote:
Meditation is well. Another aspect: Nietzsches favours the Artist even with philosophical questions. In art some Relations are wrapped, and we may ask what does this mean for science. Perhaps an outer perspective on science, e.g. questions like that for truth, couldn't be established, but are thematised in art. As a consequence some other questions like that for life couldn't be streamlined.
What does this mean for science?

What does this entire post mean???

Are you doing a Google translate from another language? Cause it ain't working. :evil:


I just want to say, that art answers question which science doesn't. We do not know what is truth in science, but we know what truth is in art. Perhaps, if the relation between art and science is enlightened science can Profit from it.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby phyllo » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:41 pm

We do not know what is truth in science, but we know what truth is in art.
Really?

One could say that truth is unknown in both science and art because we do not have access to 'absolute truth'.

One could say that truth is known both in science and art because all truth is subjective.

But how can one say that it is unknown in science and known in art unless one uses different definitions of truth for science and art?
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"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy" -Beethoven
"Everyday life is the way" -Wumen
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Brando » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:48 pm

With Vico man could understand what he himself produces. In art the range of this is wider than in science. So truth in art is deeper than in science. With a philosophy of technique like that of Gotthard Günther things are different. But transclassic logic must be applied to science, to get Vicos Claim even in science.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:53 pm

Brando wrote:With Vico man could understand what he himself produces. In art the range of this is wider than in science. So truth in art is deeper than in science. With a philosophy of technique like that of Gotthard Günther things are different. But transclassic logic must be applied to science, to get Vicos Claim even in science.

But truth is not always deeper in art than in science.

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Pelagius (Spanish: Pelayo, Asturian: Pelayu; c. 685 – 737) was a Visigothic nobleman who founded the Kingdom of Asturias, ruling it from 718 until his death. Through his victory at the Battle of Covadonga, he is credited with beginning the Reconquista, the Christian reconquest of the Iberian peninsula from the Moors. He established an independent Christian state (the independent Christian Kingdom of Asturias) in opposition to Moorish hegemony.

Naturally, life makes no sense, because it has no natural goal. Or has it? Culturally, life makes sense, because it has a cultural goal - due to its soul.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:25 pm

Arminius wrote,

But truth is not always deeper in art than in science.


What do YOU mean by *truth* here, Arminius?
I may be wrong but I take your words to mean that it is not such an easy thing to grasp what it is the artist (in any form) is trying to convey. Art is open to interpretation and subjective thinking - as it is in the eyes of the beholder.
But that can also be the fun part of it too - akin to going on an archaeological dig.

Sometimes we tend to see what is only on the *surface* instead of seeking to find what lies beneath and looking through the *eyes* of the artist. Art is like philosophy in this way.


Naturally, life makes no sense, because it has no natural goal.


You meant to say "speaking naturally"?
Well, anyway, it might appear to have no *conscious* natural goal but wouldn't evolution be Life's natural goal? Could we say that? Would it be valid to say that?

Or has it? Culturally, life makes sense, because it has a cultural goal - due to its soul.


And what if that culture's soul is a means to destroy and devastate? Does that make sense?
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby gib » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:57 pm

If there is any meaning to life, it doesn't come served to you on a silver platter. We have to go about discovering the meaning of life in a long and arduous life-long process.

We are given things to start--experience--and this is usually obvious, simple, and banal. I'm eating a banana. It tastes good. It satisfies. <-- That's the meaning in a particular experience you might have of eating a banana. To get at the deeper meanings of life, we have to start with these.

I'm not sure we have the capacity to comprehend these deepest meanings to life (if there are any), but if we can, they would have to be discovered by this same process.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:05 pm

I mean that life makes sense in a cultural way, because culture is something that is started and stopped by the cultural beings themselves.

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:56 am

Also, destruction can make sense too, at least to certain humans.

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby gib » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:26 pm

Arminius wrote:I mean that life makes sense in a cultural way, because culture is something that is started and stopped by the cultural beings themselves.


So are you looking exclusively at how the things we learn from culture contribute to our apprehension of life's meaning? How do we tear that contribution away from the contribution of other experiences (ex. personal hands-on experience)?
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It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:34 pm

We are both natural and cultural.

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:22 pm

Arminius wrote:Also, destruction can make sense too, at least to certain humans.

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Of course. We cannot build up or rebuild until we tear down. It is a part of human evolution.
But, for instance, chopping down trees to make way for parking lots is for me senseless.
Destroying the natural habitats of animals to make way for apartment buildings and malls is senseless to me.
Destroying the beautiful and necessary rain forests makes no sense to me.

How much sense and meaning does the above hold for you?
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby Arminius » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:42 pm

Destroying our own environment does not make sense to me. We should only take as many things from nature as nature can reproduce in the same time. So there must be a sustainable development. But therefor we need responsible rulers. And responsible rulers are those we do not have. I am for politics of real sustainability and real responsibility.
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Re: The Meaning of Life. Does life make sense?

Postby MagsJ » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:00 am

Arminius wrote:
MagsJ wrote:..that is not how I pictured you look at all, Arminius.
Why? I mean how did you picture my look then?

Less brawny/rugged, as your gentle demeanor (based on your literary offerings here) belies that.
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