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Re: Mind and Matter

Postby James S Saint » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:33 pm

Ierrellus wrote:My take on the Aristotelian/Nagel concept of teleology goes like this--An acorn contains all the necessary ingredients for becoming a tree. This becoming is influenced by the natural conditions of its environment. There is no force outside the acorn that is responsible for its precondition to become a tree. In this sense teleology represents an internal drive toward a goal or a specific outcome. Environment may be fortuitous for the entire growth and development of the acorn, but it has nothing to do with the acorn's innate drive to become a tree.

Seems true enough to me.
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Re: Mind and Matter

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:05 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:My take on the Aristotelian/Nagel concept of teleology goes like this--An acorn contains all the necessary ingredients for becoming a tree. This becoming is influenced by the natural conditions of its environment. There is no force outside the acorn that is responsible for its precondition to become a tree. In this sense teleology represents an internal drive toward a goal or a specific outcome. Environment may be fortuitous for the entire growth and development of the acorn, but it has nothing to do with the acorn's innate drive to become a tree.

Seems true enough to me.

It is still difficult for me to image a teleology that does not include i.d. Nagel did denounce the ridicule Behe, et. al, have received from some in the scientific community; but the notion of religion as anti-science still persists in the modern scientific and philosophical arenas.
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Re: Mind and Matter

Postby waechter418 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:02 pm

It is the inability of mind to define itself which enables it to pervade the universe
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