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Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:20 pm

I have decided to attend this talk.. ending in a discussion in groups. It would be interesting to hear another's views on hedonism, as many here see it in a negative light.

Roman Krznaric: The Vanishing Art of Seizing the Day


So, what are we going learn about and debate this time?

Five very different ways humankind has discovered over the centuries to seize the day - which we urgently need to revive.

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Roman Krznaric is a favourite at the group. And he's back to update us on his latest research on living without regrets - by embracing carpe diem in five ways:

• opportunity

• hedonism

• presence

• spontaneity

• politics




SCHEDULE

Roman's talk

Q&A (the question with the most interest will be what we debate after the break)

Group debate (we'll break into groups of six or so)



OUR SPEAKER

Roman Krznaric is a social philosopher whose books, including Empathy, The Wonderbox and How to Find Fulfilling Work, have been published in more than 20 languages. He is the founder of the world’s first Empathy Museum and of the digital Empathy Library. He is also a founding faculty member of The School of Life and on the faculty of Year Here.
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:43 am

How are you familiar with Mr. Krznaric?
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:13 pm

I am not, but I will be after the talk ;)

I am familiar with the Philosophy group holding the talk, but I have yet to attend one of their events.. until now. Krznaric reminds me of an Alain Button or a Louis Theroux and that whole genre of social philosophy that they explore and attempt to resolve.

I will be attending many more of their talks, as these pertain to me much more than their reading group events ever will.

Thanks for dropping by WendyD..
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby Ecmandu » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:18 pm

Empathy huh?

When someone gets shot by a bullet, I feel it.

When someone commits suicide, I feel it.

as in, it actually happens to me.

This guy has no clue what empathy is.
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:26 pm

http://www.carpediem.click/index.html - upon going onto the book's (I guess you'd call it) marketing website my first must-share observation was the differing book covers for the US and UK. Such different covers to convey the same message. Why the need for such different covers?

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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby WendyDarling » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:40 pm

Are you sure that they are the same book for the titles are different?
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:55 pm

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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby WendyDarling » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:26 am

Hmmm? :-k The UK cover is better. Reprints always have different covers...maybe?
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

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Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:50 am

Krznaric was a Political Scientist.. amongst other jobs he had over the years. He worked his ideas out through a carpe diem mandala.. indicating that a balance of the 5 elements it contained was needed in order to live a fulfilled life, and the 4 ways in which those vital elements could be used negatively or inappropriately.

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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:52 pm

A clearer daytime photo of Krznaric's mandala:

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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby surreptitious57 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:14 am


I would definitely want to buy that book if I saw it and so hope I do
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun Apr 30, 2017 2:38 am

MagsJ wrote:A clearer daytime photo of Krznaric's mandala:

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Mags

Curiously, his mandala graphic has a distinctly "Eastern" ... Chinese aesthetic ... for a Western audience? For example ... the Yin Yang symbol in the centre ... Hmmm!

The notion of 'spontaneity' ... seize the moment ... is a pillar of Lao Tzu thought ... Wu Wei ... "Dao De Jing"
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Tue May 09, 2017 7:20 am

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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Tue May 09, 2017 7:43 am

surreptitious57 wrote:
I would definitely want to buy that book if I saw it and so hope I do

What aspect of the book has made you want to buy it? I have linked to the summarised short essays of each chapter in my previous email below, and will be reading them now myself.

7 down, and 3 to go.

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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Fri May 12, 2017 1:52 pm

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
MagsJ wrote:A clearer daytime photo of Krznaric's mandala:

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Mags

Curiously, his mandala graphic has a distinctly "Eastern" ... Chinese aesthetic ... for a Western audience? For example ... the Yin Yang symbol in the centre ... Hmmm!

The notion of 'spontaneity' ... seize the moment ... is a pillar of Lao Tzu thought ... Wu Wei ... "Dao De Jing"

Krznaric does mention that the origins of the notion were around millennia ago, and even beyond then.. I guess the mandala/Yin Yang symbols is an ode to that.

To me, Western philosophy just seems to always be a reworded offering of the pre-existing concepts and ideas that have always been around since the beginning of the arrival of a conscious man, and to that end philosophy is simply transient.
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby WendyDarling » Sat May 13, 2017 2:51 am

When do you see this guy in action?
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

Cutting folks for sport is a reality for the poor in spirit. I myself only cut the poor in spirit on Tues., Thurs., and every other Sat.
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Sat May 13, 2017 5:28 am

In what respect do you mean WendyD?
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby WendyDarling » Sat May 13, 2017 6:30 am

Did you see him in person?
I AM OFFICIALLY IN HELL!

I live my philosophy, it's personal to me and people who engage where I live establish an unspoken dynamic, a relationship of sorts, with me and my philosophy.

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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat May 13, 2017 7:45 am

MagsJ wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
MagsJ wrote:A clearer daytime photo of Krznaric's mandala:

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Mags

Curiously, his mandala graphic has a distinctly "Eastern" ... Chinese aesthetic ... for a Western audience? For example ... the Yin Yang symbol in the centre ... Hmmm!

The notion of 'spontaneity' ... seize the moment ... is a pillar of Lao Tzu thought ... Wu Wei ... "Dao De Jing"

Krznaric does mention that the origins of the notion were around millennia ago, and even beyond then.. I guess the mandala/Yin Yang symbols is an ode to that.

To me, Western philosophy just seems to always be a reworded offering of the pre-existing concepts and ideas that have always been around since the beginning of the arrival of a conscious man, and to that end philosophy is simply transient.


Yeah ... maybe some day we will all acknowledge that we drink from the same "fountain". :)
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Sun May 14, 2017 12:55 am

WendyDarling wrote:Did you see him in person?
He seemed to be a familiar favourite with the crowd, but new to me.. but I am sure that we at the group will see him again for his next talk. I did not stay for the 2nd half/the discussion part of the talk, so I will just have to put my debating steez on hold till the group's next talk.

As I asked for a mandala card on my way out he said.. I hope you feel better soon, I said.. Hey, thanks. A historical moment for him I'm sure. :lol:

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Yeah ... maybe some day we will all acknowledge that we drink from the same "fountain". :)
...but the divide and conquer application has put paid to that, starting from back when rising kingdoms started trading with each other.. swapping monetary payment for rustling and then downright blatant thievery.. I think that one of the 4 barriers on Krznaric's mandala covers that.

And that is the precedent that brought us to this present day.
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sun May 14, 2017 6:42 am

mags wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Yeah ... maybe some day we will all acknowledge that we drink from the same "fountain". :)


...but the divide and conquer application has put paid to that, starting from back when rising kingdoms started trading with each other.. swapping monetary payment for rustling and then downright blatant thievery.. I think that one of the 4 barriers on Krznaric's mandala covers that.

And that is the precedent that brought us to this present day.


There's always the possibility it will all change tomorrow. :D

Since we are animals ... seems logical to expect that our animal nature would bring us to where we are today. We simply need to wait for the cosmic event that will lift us out of ... place us beyond ... transform ... our animal nature to a spiritual nature.
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Mon May 22, 2017 7:27 pm

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Since we are animals ... seems logical to expect that our animal nature would bring us to where we are today. We simply need to wait for the cosmic event that will lift us out of ... place us beyond ... transform ... our animal nature to a spiritual nature.

Not in this lifetime... not in the distant future... probably never...
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed May 24, 2017 7:53 am

MagsJ wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Since we are animals ... seems logical to expect that our animal nature would bring us to where we are today. We simply need to wait for the cosmic event that will lift us out of ... place us beyond ... transform ... our animal nature to a spiritual nature.

Not in this lifetime... not in the distant future... probably never...


Mags ... you're probably right ... yet ... as you wrote in another OP on the theory of the Omega Point ... it's a beautiful image. :)
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby Magnus Anderson » Wed May 24, 2017 6:34 pm

Looks like a nice guy. I can see in his eyes that he really cares about me. Something you cannot see in zinnat's eyes even though he ends each one of his posts with "with love, sanjay".
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Re: Roman Krznaric: a talk on Seizing the Day

Postby MagsJ » Thu May 25, 2017 4:03 pm

Magnus Anderson wrote:Looks like a nice guy. I can see in his eyes that he really cares about me. Something you cannot see in zinnat's eyes even though he ends each one of his posts with "with love, sanjay".

...sounded like a nice guy.. the familiar to-him crowd seemed taken with him, so your observation is sound enough, and he did found the world’s first Empathy Museum and the digital Empathy Library.

Why did Zinnat eventually fall out of favour with near everyone? and why did he come to mind to you to mention here now?
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