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True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:58 am

They are willing to leave the comfort of mass-consensus, are self-reliant, self-confident and determined to break trail into unexplored territory. They seek a better way to live and seek to discover new possibilities waiting to be realized.


True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Stuck in a quagmire of words?
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby James S Saint » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:49 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:Where are they?

Invisible to the blind.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby UrGod » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:33 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
They are willing to leave the comfort of mass-consensus, are self-reliant, self-confident and determined to break trail into unexplored territory. They seek a better way to live and seek to discover new possibilities waiting to be realized.


True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?



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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby UrGod » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:33 am

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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby UrGod » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:45 am

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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby UrGod » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:46 am

For the ur-gods.


Absolute grit. Earth-love.


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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby encode_decode » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:02 pm

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
They are willing to leave the comfort of mass-consensus, are self-reliant, self-confident and determined to break trail into unexplored territory. They seek a better way to live and seek to discover new possibilities waiting to be realized.


True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Stuck in a quagmire of words?

I think what needs to happen first is that your usage of "true grit" needs to be defined . . .

From what I can determine and this is a copy and paste:

    Being a gritty person means that the one tends to stick to their goals despite numerous issues, problems, setbacks and failures. The person has firmness of mind and unyielding courage. The synonyms of true grit are: fortitude. determination.
In this case there seems to be a few on ILP

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But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:33 pm

I think what needs to happen first is that your usage of "true grit" needs to be defined . . .


Aaron ... your 'warm' post is appreciated.

Perhaps the 'definition/intention' will emerge from the comments ... the words in the OP title just popped into my head.

First comment ...

invisible to the blind


somewhat cryptic ... vision infers "intellect" ... whereas feeling engages the "eyes of the heart"

Absolute grit. Earth-love


The word 'grit' at times has an "earthy" connotation ... a down and dirty ... get your hands dirty ... kind of intention.

The synonyms of true grit are: fortitude. determination.


Fortitude and determination are quite capable of leading one further and further down a dead end street.

Move from the abstract to the concrete (personal experience) ... back to the abstract ... Moreno


IMHO ... lots and lots of "abstract" shared on ILP ... not much personal experience in support of the abstract thoughts ... absence of grit?
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby encode_decode » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:45 am

pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
I think what needs to happen first is that your usage of "true grit" needs to be defined . . .


Aaron ... your 'warm' post is appreciated.

I could have been warmer about it but it was early in the morning for me.

:D

A smile should fix it.
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But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning
- which is to say there is always meaning.

(gib - 2017)

Mind is an ever changing dimension that is bound to reality, logic and emotion.
(Myself - 2017)
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:07 am

i am true grit.

if i was legally allowed to kill 20 people, i would do it and i wouldnt even cry.
message to police: this is not a thread, i will not kill 20 people, it is illegal and i dont want to go to prison. i only said if it was legal.
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:47 am

encode_decode wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
I think what needs to happen first is that your usage of "true grit" needs to be defined . . .


Aaron ... your 'warm' post is appreciated.

I could have been warmer about it but it was early in the morning for me.

:D

A smile should fix it.


Aaron ... read the words quoted below this morning ... seem to echo our e-exchange ... seem to embody a quasi universal reality?

We don’t always look good, but we are. Mostly we’re frustrated precisely because we cannot (for reasons of circumstance, wound, and sensitivity) pour out our goodness as we would like nor embrace the world and those around us with the warmth that’s in us. We go through life looking for a warm place to show who we are and mostly don’t find it. We’re not so much bad as frustrated. We’re more lovely than we dare imagine.
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:22 pm

We don’t always look good, but we are. Mostly we’re frustrated precisely because we cannot (for reasons of circumstance, wound, and sensitivity) pour out our goodness as we would like nor embrace the world and those around us with the warmth that’s in us. We go through life looking for a warm place to show who we are and mostly don’t find it. We’re not so much bad as frustrated. We’re more lovely than we dare imagine.

Where'd that quote come from? To add and to sum up, it's easier to be cold than to be warm. When everyone's cold most of the time, finding a warm spot will be frustrating, but why not take the more difficult route and become a spot of warmth rather than waiting to perchance upon it?
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:46 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
We don’t always look good, but we are. Mostly we’re frustrated precisely because we cannot (for reasons of circumstance, wound, and sensitivity) pour out our goodness as we would like nor embrace the world and those around us with the warmth that’s in us. We go through life looking for a warm place to show who we are and mostly don’t find it. We’re not so much bad as frustrated. We’re more lovely than we dare imagine.

Where'd that quote come from? To add and to sum up, it's easier to be cold than to be warm. When everyone's cold most of the time, finding a warm spot will be frustrating, but why not take the more difficult route and become a spot of warmth rather than waiting to perchance upon it?


Wendy ... thanks for adding some "warmth" to the OP.

The quote is from Ron ... I subscribe to his spiritual commentaries.

A True Grit Philosopher is ...

a) Intelligent ... yet humble.

b) Down to earth ... in both thoughts and deeds.

c) Determined ... yet not obsessive.

d) Self confident enough to be "warm" ... despite being mocked and persecuted.

e) Courageous enough to break new trails ... yet not break the law.

f) Insert here
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby Jakob » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:48 pm

The grit of philosophy is that it is law giving.
Any so called philosophy that does not do that, destroy and set laws, is just masturbation.
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:53 pm

Jakob wrote:The grit of philosophy is that it is law giving.
Any so called philosophy that does not do that, destroy and set laws, is just masturbation.


True philosophy questions all the so-called laws.
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:17 pm

Jakob wrote:The grit of philosophy is that it is law giving.
Any so called philosophy that does not do that, destroy and set laws, is just masturbation.


Yes!!

Philosophers assumed full authority and responsibility for the health and welfare of the planet and all life forms inhabiting the planet with the genesis of the age of enlightenment ... circa mid 17th century. Philosophers were compelled to share such authority and responsibility with theologians for the previous couple of millennia.

Authority and responsibility infers accountability.

Have philosophers ever been held accountable for their failings? Popular philosophers have certainly been glorified for their perceived successes.

Have any group of top leaders been held accountable for their failings? Popular leaders have certainly been glorified for their perceived successes.
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby UrGod » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:08 pm

Ultimate Philosophy 1001 wrote:
Jakob wrote:The grit of philosophy is that it is law giving.
Any so called philosophy that does not do that, destroy and set laws, is just masturbation.


True philosophy questions all the so-called laws.



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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:32 pm

encode_decode wrote:
pilgrim-seeker_tom wrote:
I think what needs to happen first is that your usage of "true grit" needs to be defined . . .


Aaron ... your 'warm' post is appreciated.

I could have been warmer about it but it was early in the morning for me.

:D

A smile should fix it.


...and don't forget to close that window. :evilfun:
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby encode_decode » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:36 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:...and don't forget to close that window. :evilfun:

I wont forget, I promise . . .

:D
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But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:42 pm

PST

A True Grit Philosopher is ...

a) Intelligent ... yet humble.

b) Down to earth ... in both thoughts and deeds.

c) Determined ... yet not obsessive.

d) Self confident enough to be "warm" ... despite being mocked and persecuted.

e) Courageous enough to break new trails ... yet not break the law.

f) Insert here



lol I suppose then that you might have called John Wayne a true grit philosopher though he is gone to that Death Valley.

I cannot recall any at the moment but I have a sneaky suspicion and intuition that some great philosophers did actually break the law.
How would one seek *real* wisdom and truth without having to defy and break unjust absurd laws of the times at times?
I do not go along with (e).
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:43 pm

encode_decode wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:...and don't forget to close that window. :evilfun:

I wont forget, I promise . . .

:D


Do not promise. Just do it!
LOL
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If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby encode_decode » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:45 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Do not promise. Just do it!
LOL

OK

:lol:
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby pilgrim-seeker_tom » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:13 am

I cannot recall any at the moment but I have a sneaky suspicion and intuition that some great philosophers did actually break the law.


Socrates ??

In buttoning up a shirt if the first button is not in the right hole none of the other buttons align properly.
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Re: True Grit Philosophers ... Where are they?

Postby derleydoo » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:53 am

Did Socrates break any Laws?

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