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Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:55 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Well no see cause the contracts in place in the first world, the only place it actually exists (more crudely also in the second, wealthy commie nations), lead directly as they are to a senator getting tortured in my third world paradise.

These people need to chill the fuck out and think it through.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:02 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Btw, the third world also exists in the ghettos of the US (where Trump made his bones) and the first in the isolated bubbles of upper middle class of Venezuela.

They think they got it aaaaaaall figured out.

But bam. Fate. Your need to feel justified in your cantankerousness results in slow painful deaths of millions.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:03 am
by Pedro I Rengel
No changing that now. But fate keeps rolling. What will you do now?

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:03 am
by Fixed Cross
Yes, hypocrisy always has a price that isn't worth paying for it.
The social contract is a way to understand evolution otherwise than as the product of sexual selection.
It is what gives rise to Hegel.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:05 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Hypocracy is moralistic [the term], it poses an instead of. There is no such thing. Only what has been and what will be.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:06 am
by Pedro I Rengel
And what is, of course.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:06 am
by Fixed Cross
No I believe it is a technical term, denoting the act of making a demonstrably ungrounded claim to a moral position in order to get away with some advantage.

In this sense all foreign policy before Trump has been hypocrisy.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:07 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Mary and her books.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:07 am
by Fixed Cross
Well and after Constantine.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:08 am
by Pedro I Rengel
"to a moral position"

Exactly, to a moral position, an instead of. It is a lie before it is amoral.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:09 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Philosophers provide truth to the people. I give John fate, moral correctness would be a lie.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:10 am
by Fixed Cross
deleted a bad ironic comment.



a philosopher relieves from morality, and thereby dispels hypocrisies,
but a philosopher thereby risks being a moral man.

And this in turn is addictive, as Zarathustra found to his demise.

He tried to kick his habit, his students, but for what?
The power that he was the herald of did not yet exist.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:14 am
by Pedro I Rengel
All men ought to accept fate, not because it is morally correct, but because it is empowering. They may not, and weaken until they disappear. Ought is the imperative of success. Of honesty. Not forced. It just is.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:15 am
by Pedro I Rengel
All men ought to, but only rational men will assuredly do so.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:16 am
by Fixed Cross
Is that a moralization of power?

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:17 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Negus. Because there is no instead of. Only live or die.

Maybe a stronger humanity empowers me. Couldn't give a fuck about morality.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:18 am
by Fixed Cross
No but it leads to the concept that only the powerful can be moral.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:19 am
by Fixed Cross
At least that they can do what they ought to.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:21 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Zarathustra's oughts were only because he thought people were listening. Shortly after these are not the ears for my words I stopped reading, the rest of the story was clear enough. He was in a cave man, he thought most human animals would be similar. Didn't expect the degenerating power of history.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:22 am
by Fixed Cross
The strong do what they can, the weak accept what they must.

I suppose you see the former as the ought, the latter the morality.

But I mean to take the term morality and employ it to my ends.Ive found it too powerful to give to the insignificant.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:22 am
by Pedro I Rengel
The powerful are therefore not moral, because power presuposes knowledge of the value of truth.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:23 am
by Pedro I Rengel
All of them the ought. It's just some will get it and some won't.

The more that get it, the easier things will be for me and all who love fun and the good things in lzzife.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:26 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Morality is like the ring in TLoTR. It corrupts more than it helps.

What would you use morality for? Trick them into being useful to themselves and thus us, or just to us? It will have weakening effects on them and leave the world more barren. Less fun. So it defeats the purpose.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:33 am
by Pedro I Rengel
I care about my family. Is that moral? Hell no. It is just fate. It is. There is no "I could not care instead." Specially not moral when you consider I let them hurt themselves or would burn millions alive just to get them out of a bad spot.

Re: What all men ought to do

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:35 am
by Fixed Cross
What I see as the ultimate morality in LotR is that Aragorn bows before the Hobbits, and Frodos pain at that, knowing what he knows of himself.
which makes Sam the moral of the story, which is no doubt how Tolkien intended it.

Still, this morality may be the ring itself.

On any case, I see morality as a wand to beat people over the heads with, but not as a reason to.