"Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Philosopher8659 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:27 pm

I do video presentations on reasoning. I have even discovered and am posting developments in a new analogic which demonstrates the identity between 2 logics and 2 analogics.

The principles of reasoning, I am developing on my own because it is clear that there is no other I know of capable.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:31 pm

Philosopher8659 wrote:I do video presentations on reasoning. I have even discovered and am posting developments in a new analogic which demonstrates the identity between 2 logics and 2 analogics.

The principles of reasoning, I am developing on my own because it is clear that there is no other I know of capable.

Please cite where these videos can be found.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Philosopher8659 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:34 pm

Push the button --------------->
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:50 pm

Philosopher8659 wrote:Push the button --------------->

Maybe. That's a ton of material, much of which, even in abbreviated description, does not fit in here. Methinks you should start your own thread about this material. I'm old school, believing that if a work cannot be presented in a single descriptive paragraph, it could be a waste of your and our time to see or read it all.
In this current thread, please let us know how this work involves the problem of MI.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Philosopher8659 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:02 pm

Well, so much for your curiosity. I bet you ask your spouse, should you have one, to get you a cup of coffee.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:14 pm

Philosopher8659 wrote:Well, so much for your curiosity. I bet you ask your spouse, should you have one, to get you a cup of coffee.

This year I'll be 70. Our general family longevity is 82. You should have caught me at 25 when my curiosity was unbounded. Now it's simply conserved. Don't have a wife or significant other.
So, how does your work resolve any of the problems we've discussed here about MI & therapy?
Do a thread in philosophy. I'll read it.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Philosopher8659 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:21 pm

When the mind becomes different from the mind, I will let you know.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:30 pm

Philosopher8659 wrote:When the mind becomes different from the mind, I will let you know.

Apparently, being polite doesn't work. Please avoid this thread. I'll respond to you elsewhere.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Philosopher8659 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:37 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Philosopher8659 wrote:When the mind becomes different from the mind, I will let you know.

Apparently, being polite doesn't work. Please avoid this thread. I'll respond to you elsewhere.


Who in the hell do you think you are to tell me to avoid a public thread, and when I answer your questions you bitch? You have a very warped idea of polite.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby James S Saint » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:50 pm

It is HIS thread based on HIS thesis.

He hasn't the right to demand or force you to leave, but he does have the justifiable and semi-authoritative right to ask you to (or me or anyone else). You seem to keep espousing things that despite our efforts, seem to be irrelevant or disconnected to the topic at hand.
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The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
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It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

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Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Philosopher8659 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:53 pm

James S Saint wrote:It is HIS thread based on HIS thesis.

He hasn't the right to demand or force you to leave, but he does have the justifiable and semi-authoritative right to ask you to (or me or anyone else).


Well excuse me, this is a philosophy forum, it is for the investigation even of opposing views, now you can add your stupidity to his, but it does not change the facts.

I have just as much right to my say as anyone, so you can piss off as well.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby James S Saint » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:56 pm

Neither you nor I make the rules here, one of which is to stay on topic as much as possible.
This is NOT a federal public forum. It is privately owned and managed.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Philosopher8659 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:58 pm

James S Saint wrote:Neither you nor I make the rules here, one of which is to stay on topic as much as possible.
This is NOT a federal public forum. It is privately owned and managed.

I am on topic, I don't care if you agree or not.

And when the public is invited to a forum, it is public, or can't you even reason that much?

In case you have not noticed, there are private areas of this forum. Duh.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:01 pm

James S Saint wrote:Neither you nor I make the rules here, one of which is to stay on topic as much as possible.
This is NOT a federal public forum. It is privately owned and managed.

I think the rule is about trolling. I could be wrong. I did ask, not demand.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby James S Saint » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:01 pm

The term "ad hom" refers to addressing the person making statements rather than the topic of the discussion. Look back at how often you initiate an ad hom exchange. Then discuss it with a moderator, not me.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Gain is obtained by giving a lot and keeping a little.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:03 pm

James S Saint wrote:The term "ad hom" refers to addressing the person making statements rather than the topic of the discussion. Look back at how often you initiate an ad hom exchange. Then discuss it with a moderator, not me.

Yes!!!!
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Philosopher8659 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:03 pm

Then why are you opening your mouth? As you say, it is the mods choice.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Philosopher8659 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:06 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
James S Saint wrote:The term "ad hom" refers to addressing the person making statements rather than the topic of the discussion. Look back at how often you initiate an ad hom exchange. Then discuss it with a moderator, not me.

Yes!!!!


And read back very carefully, who initiated the personal attack, and who was not addressing the ideas?
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby lizbethrose » Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:27 am

Oh, my word! Is there nothing immune...
"Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:08 pm

lizbethrose wrote:Oh, my word! Is there nothing immune...

Thanks for your concern and for all who have offered good, helpful ideas.
Moderators, please close this thread. It's done or done in.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby turtle » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:23 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
lizbethrose wrote:Oh, my word! Is there nothing immune...

Thanks for your concern and for all who have offered good, helpful ideas.
Moderators, please close this thread. It's done or done in.


wait a minute..i am not through...there is trolling going on here and it is not appropriate for this topic..
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:43 pm

turtle wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:
lizbethrose wrote:Oh, my word! Is there nothing immune...

Thanks for your concern and for all who have offered good, helpful ideas.
Moderators, please close this thread. It's done or done in.


wait a minute..i am not through...there is trolling going on here and it is not appropriate for this topic..

Thanks, Turtle. How many incarnations does Satyr have? This dude sounds just like him.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby turtle » Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:06 pm

ir---whoever it is we will show him that people with a mental illness can stand up and not put up with their junk...i have a mental illness also and i am sick of this kind of shit...thank you
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:43 pm

turtle wrote:ir---whoever it is we will show him that people with a mental illness can stand up and not put up with their junk...i have a mental illness also and i am sick of this kind of shit...thank you

Agreed.
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Re: "Mental" Illness: The Future of Treatment

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:55 pm

Mental illness is now being referred to by community assistance programs as "behavioral health". This new wording will just be another form of "political correctness" until something real is done to help MIs. I've recently heard that the government is going to help MI by treating it as equal to so-called "physical" illnesses in terms of reimbusement for doctors, hospitals and meds. I hope it's true. Usually such help, if it goes against the grain of social "wisdom", is seen as just another tax & spend project. It may be that Rosyln (SIC) Carter's concern could some day become a reality. In the current political climate, it's not a matter of national concern.
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