Monogamy

[lizbethrose]

Yes, Kris, I was trying to think of the psychological reasons for not wanting a workable monogamous relationship--why some people prefer to go 'from flower to flower,' as the King says in The King and I.

[Kriswest]

LOl well, the main reason I think would be how you saw the adults in your life live as you grew up. That seems to me the biggest influence on Monogamy. It will make or break that need or desire.

[_________]

LOl well, the main reason I think would be how you saw the adults in your life live as you grew up. That seems to me the biggest influence on Monogamy. It will make or break that need or desire.

I don't see how you could limit influence to adults. The development of psycho-social propensities is dependent on the entire sphere of childhood experience, including the larger social milieu. Your stance on relationships is certainly not set in stone prior to the influential pubescent period where your experience with sexual/romantic relationships will be most abundant (in the formative years). In this case, the influence would not be so much by adults as by peers.

The socio-commercial environment also plays a substantial role...I would think. Firstly, we can see that indeed a common theme of drama is betrayal by the spouse, lover, etc. and divorce rates, rampant marketing of sexual themes, etc. could be said to influence polygamy--these things are ineluctable aspects of the modern society. Contrarily, we have Walt Disney, all manner of romance novels, the industry of marriage (as opposed to the institution--modern marriage is a corporate enterprise) the church, social convention, etc.--these are hegemonic variables are certainly not .

[Kriswest]

And who influenced those Peers and all the rest? who made the society? Adults. Children are influenced by what the adults do around them. Those peers are going to be sexual according to how they were influenced by Adults, at home commercially socially etc. Who makes Walt Disney? Adults.

[_________]

Then are we to believe that in the absence of adults the child would simply not be sexual?

[Kriswest]

Really ????How do you get sexual and sexual behaviorisms as the same thing? When hormones hit there will be sexual. How that sexual need is translated depends upon the upbringing since we are social creatures. we simply do not rely on nature as much as most animals do. We are more influenced by our society than nature. Do you see males sniffing the butts of females while the female is menustrating? Do they automatically start following the female fighting each other and trying to have sex with that female? There are very few males that are sensitive enough to know when a female is menustrating and ready to breed. So really nature plays very little in our behavior. Society forms the sexual behaviorisms.

[_________]

Indeed men do not know, for the most part, when a woman is menstruating. But men are also men as opposed to dogs. If you wish to delve into the semiotics of sexual stimulation by innate propensities, we can discuss pheromones, the high heel's effect on the buttocks, the influence of curvature, provocative clothing, etc.[1] The fact is that sexual attraction is not preempted by the ethics of social convention--these serve only to discourage the act itself; being raised as celibate will not contradict the biochemical response to a potential mate.

But this is beside the point, as I have not argued anywhere that sexual behavior, in the sense of action, is not heavily dictated by the social milieu--just that the adult is not the sole arbiter of socio-sexual practices. Hence in the absence of adults, adolescents would still develop one or another such practice.

[1] While society may be responsible for high heels and provocative attire, the reaction to such articles and accessories is nature's own.

[Kriswest]

Nature has far less to do with it than society does and society is maintained by adults and their behaviors. If a child has no human contact it will most likely go for the nearest hominid or other animal to sate a nonunderstood hormonal lust but, that does not form a bond or behaviorism it is not necessarrily going to form a habit. Sexual behavior in society is habit learned by the child from the adult influence, not nature as such. Feral children are few and far between they do not figure into a conversation about societal behaviors. There is not enough Data on feral children to form a certainty

[_________]

Could you perhaps give me something more convincing than a statement of opinion and over simplified formulas? All I see that you have presented is the origin paradox of the chicken and the egg.

[Kriswest]

How old are you? Are you male or female?

[_________]

Against my better judgment, 23 and male.

[Kriswest]

So when a woman is putting out that monthly amount of pheremones and hormones do you get aroused? Do even know which one it is? Can you tell? Can you go straight to the right female and get sex from her without her permission? Can you just go around forcing females that are breedable to have sex? Or do you?

[_________]

No, as a matter of fact I am reserved and look at females I don't know only if they initiate conversation--but this is due to social anxiety and apathy towards sexual/romantic relationships as a result of a particularly devastating end to a three year relationship. The apathy stems from my not wanting to feel like dying again, if at all avoidable. I think I learned entirely by my own experience that I would rather not feel like total shit.

[Lollipop King]

I know this has been discussed here before, but I find myself pondering it lately. Is monogamy "natural" to humans?

That you ask the question...answers it.

[Trajicomic]

That you ask the question...answers it.

What are your views on Monogamy, Satyr?

[Lollipop King]

That you ask the question...answers it.

What are your views on Monogamy, Satyr?

I'll give a link.
I don't waste my time in this dump.

Monogamy

[Trajicomic]

Why thank you.

[Vuvuzela]

society would never allow anything that threatens its existence, and an option other than monogamy would. .... ideally, two people who come together are raised by different people and families,to ask them to live together as two people in perfect Harmony forever is pushing it too far.

[MagsJ]

I don't waste my time in this dump.

Then why are you back posting here? recruiting more members for your own philosophy forum.. only to have them run back here in their droves because yours is just full of people blowing hot air and bad gas

[Lollipop King]

I don't waste my time in this dump.

Then why are you back posting here? recruiting more members for your own philosophy forum.. only to have them run back here in their droves because yours is just full of people blowing hot air and bad gas

What a small mind a moron has.

Such simple motives.

Yes, you stupid bitch, I am here because of a forum.
You have no clue, do ya?

[MagsJ]

Did I hit a nerve?

[Lollipop King]

Did I hit a nerve?

Of course...you know what power you have over me, you whore.
No matter how stupid you are, you, at the very least, have that. You and Kriswest.

Next tell me how you keep me around because I entertain you, how bad my writing is, or how you do not care what I think.

By the way, simpleton, stop derailing this thread. This is about monogamy.

[Blurry]

Does anyone keep you around? Or is it that you just keep coming back to this place you so despise of your own volition?

awwww, you know I'm just playin', dawg.

[Lollipop King]

*woof*
Wolves are somewhat monogamous.

[Blurry]

Anyway, about monogamy. I read the first page and a half of responses here , and well...I don't have any specific responses. Can this question be definitively answered? At the end of the day, all I know is that monogamy doesn't suit me while it seems to suit others just fine. I've come to the conclusion that this isn't a question of natural/unnatural, broken/not broken, the simple fact is that some people are suited to monogamy and others aren't, and while I'm sure there is some technical explanation about brain chemistry that would break it all down, it still comes down to, "It is what it is". I'm beyond worrying about whether I'm a genetic dead-end and that's why I don't desire a family unit as strongly as some say I should, or whether anyone who thinks monogamy is our natural state is just a fool lying to themself. People are different, we prefer different things and situations, and this is all part-and-parcel.