CIA, telepath Vinko Rajic, million dollar from James Randi,

[stockstud1]

The Stargate Project was established by the U.S. Federal Government(CIA) to investigate claims of
psychic phenomena with potential military and domestic applications. KGB had similar research on
telepathy and tried to use telepathy in their spy operations.
The Stargate Project was terminated in 1995, they could not use mind reading with big success, probably because people have
not number, when they read peoples mind they could never know from which head they was reading.

Vinko Rajic have some blog on telepathic terror: telepathy-vinko-rajic.blogspot.com .

Uri Geller could confirm at Stanford that he can read peoples mind.
Vinko Rajic is talking that he can send and receive up to few kilometer .
There is brain scan online on telepathic brain in file : Brain_Scan_Images_Vinko_Rajic.zip .

Big percent of people believe in telepathy but most schizophrenics believe that they are just telepathic.

James Randi offer one million dollar to any person that can do some paranormal thing like telepathy.
Why he offer those money when millions know Vinko Rajic and about telepathic torture show.
Do you think telepathy works?

[Gobbo]

James Randi is a fraud.

Don't have time to explain it now tho.

Of course telepathy reals.

[Gobbo]

http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/163 ... lenge.html

[volchok]

James Randi is a fraud.

lol

Of course telepathy reals.

lol

[Calrid]

The James Randi million dollar prize is no longer running, it ran into complications, from of all people science bods who said his tests weren't scientific enough and should of been more rigorous. What can I say, shit happens.

That said even with the tests he had, no one, not no one ever tested was actually on a level where people would say they were psychic. The question you have to ask is, were they psychic under the radar, or is being psychic a strictly non special skill that House and Derren Brown use to read idiots? Well the cold hard facts need to be tested, but they wont be tested by faith in the paranormal.

[Moreno]

James Randi is a fraud.

And worse.

[Calrid]

James Randi is a fraud.

And worse.

James Randi is a fraud, he's an illusionist. You should probably read up on him. The point is is he any more of a fraud than any other person who suckers in the suckers out there? I don't claim to know, but I sure as hell know speculation is worth nothing.

[Amorphos]

I could ask; if we are not psychic then how do we know anything!

Give 7 bil people a million randi

[Moreno]

James Randi is a fraud.

And worse.

James Randi is a fraud, he's an illusionist. You should probably read up on him. The point is is he any more of a fraud than any other person who suckers in the suckers out there? I don't claim to know, but I sure as hell know speculation is worth nothing.

I have no problem with him as an illusionist, that's not being a fraud, that's being an entertainer.

[Drusus]

Befor dismissing this and that, it would be relevant to think about:

- how did the Dogon Tribe know about "The Dark Companion".

- many stories about "death apperances"

- if the Star Gate Project could run for so long, there must have been somethig about it.

- in physics there are "quantum entanglement", maybe telepaths and other such people uses this phenonenom.

[captaincrunk]

James Randi is a fraud.

And worse.

James Randi is a fraud, he's an illusionist. You should probably read up on him. The point is is he any more of a fraud than any other person who suckers in the suckers out there? I don't claim to know, but I sure as hell know speculation is worth nothing.

First sign of a fraud: claiming James Randi is a fraud. The guy does nothing but debunk bullshit. Calling a skeptic a "fraud" is like calling someone who has never had any kids a bad "parent".

[Gobbo]

First sign of a fraud: claiming James Randi is a fraud.

First sign of a Fraud: claiming that the first sign of a fraud is that James Randi is a fraud.

[Moreno]

First sign of a fraud: claiming James Randi is a fraud.

First sign of a Fraud: claiming that the first sign of a fraud is that James Randi is a fraud.

I just think it's funny it was assumed one could not actually believe Randi is a fraud. Like this would have to be deception and one really knows he is not.

Sounds hallucinatory.

[Gobbo]

If you look at this thread, you'll see I don't really have any evidence here.

Many of the objections were perfectly valid. Let's be honest.

I know that guy is a fraud because I am psychic - just like you - that is the ultimate irony here.

[Moreno]

If you look at this thread, you'll see I don't really have any evidence here.

Many of the objections were perfectly valid. Let's be honest.

I know that guy is a fraud because I am psychic - just like you - that is the ultimate irony here.

Sure, sure, but they weren't just objections, they were as much psychic claims on their part also. And that's ironic.

[Tralix]

If you can do "magic", do it under scientific conditions and testing. If not why should anyone waste their time with you? Seriously why even bother claiming you can do something unless you can do it in a manner that convinces the world? Might as well be James Randi, at least he was honest about being an illusionist. I for one do not doubt that there could be more to this world than is understandable by science. But claiming you are somehow possessed of powers that don't open up to the usual channels of enquiry just makes you a crank. Pull the lead out. Do it for real, then and only then should anyone care about it. Fuck off you aint special, great claims need great evidence. Even Einstein had to wait 17 years for a Nobel prize, because he didn't have the backing of experiment. What are we going to do, slide all the chancers through on their opinion. Screw that.

[captaincrunk]

Demonstrate how and why James Randi is a "fraud".

[Gobbo]

If you can do "magic", do it under scientific conditions and testing. If not why should anyone waste their time with you? Seriously why even bother claiming you can do something unless you can do it in a manner that convinces the world

Ah, if I had a dollar for every time someone reiterated the scientific line here everyone knows and understands. Do you think you are saying something we don't know, or do you come here to reaffirm a worldview that hasn't been accurate in a 100 years.

Maybe if you are lucky you will catch me explainin why the (quantum) observers a given setting dictate which laws, if any, are present in physical reality.

You will never see what you are asking for in a closed setting with a bunch of skeptics encircling the supposed skeptic. It's categorically impossible and that is why the high occultists set up things like Randi — hence why he is a fraud.

Magic isn't for the uninitiated. The plebs like you. Everyone that understands the power is perfectly happy to allow people such as yourself to determine the extent of reality by using a council of preachers/scientists. You see a crankpot because we want you to see one. It's no threat to us there is but one more zealot touting the safe line we've agreed to allow you to exist in.

In other words, let's say I do know some magic. Why would I care about proving it to a bunch of people that, assuming magic exists, clearly are not ready and would react with aggressive fear to having the worldview turned upside down. People would revolt. People like you who are clearly not even close to ready.

[captaincrunk]

To better understand this, are you saying that James Randi believes psychic phenomenon to be real, and pretends they are not? Or are you saying you believe he is mistaken?

[Gobbo]

To better understand this, just look at how the rules are worded. Or how they used to be worded... check this update out:

According to Wired News, soon it will be no longer possible for just anyone to take on the James Randi Foundation's million dollar challenge. To submit an application, an aspirant will need to have a 'media profile' and find an academic who will endorse their claims.

In addition, the foundation plans to choose six to eight high profile targets per year and attempt to publicly shame them into taking the challenge.

So if you need an academic that means that anyone who steps up will no longer by an academic (by establishment standards) which is actually funny, because if they are having to up the rules on the contest to such a degree so as to create a career trap for the corroborating academic, then clearly they are getting more desperate. I would imagine multiple people have beat the test and they have to keep covering it up, but I have no real proof of that.

But from the beginning it was categorically impossible to win. I think the rules said something like 'If the James Randi foundation determines the person making the claim's claim falls in line with our definition of what actually constitutes paranormal, then the applicant may win the money.' It wasn't that exactly but it was legally worded so they could get out of anything. The whole thing is a scam. Anyone who actually looks at it carefully will probably come to the same conclusion. I've been saying this for years.

[Gobbo]

To better understand this, are you saying that James Randi believes psychic phenomenon to be real, and pretends they are not? Or are you saying you believe he is mistaken?

So in other words, it doesn't matter what Randi himself believes. He's just some dude. I'm talking about what we can extrapolate from how the contest is set up, and why. He's a fraud by default. I don't care to wonder over the specifics of his character.

[captaincrunk]

To better understand this, just look at how the rules are worded. Or how they used to be worded... check this update out:

According to Wired News, soon it will be no longer possible for just anyone to take on the James Randi Foundation's million dollar challenge. To submit an application, an aspirant will need to have a 'media profile' and find an academic who will endorse their claims.

In addition, the foundation plans to choose six to eight high profile targets per year and attempt to publicly shame them into taking the challenge.

So if you need an academic that means that anyone who steps up will no longer by an academic (by establishment standards) which is actually funny, because if they are having to up the rules on the contest to such a degree so as to create a career trap for the corroborating academic, then clearly they are getting more desperate.

This is just incorrect. Academicness is measured by the past and current participation in academic study, not whether you are right or wrong. So check this argument off your list.

I would imagine multiple people have beat the test and they have to keep covering it up, but I have no real proof of that.

Probably because it is, of course, false.

But from the beginning it was categorically impossible to win.

Because psychic powers aren't real.

I think the rules said something like 'If the James Randi foundation determines the person making the claim's claim falls in line with our definition of what actually constitutes paranormal, then the applicant may win the money.' It wasn't that exactly but it was legally worded so they could get out of anything. The whole thing is a scam. Anyone who actually looks at it carefully will probably come to the same conclusion. I've been saying this for years.

Show me someone who should have passed but didn't. Apply your own standard then.

[captaincrunk]

Also am I the only one who went on this Vinko Rajic's website and saw the ramblings of a truly insane person? He seems to think other psychics are manipulating his anal muscles remotely. I mean seriously? This is your guy?

[Gobbo]

I have no idea who the person who started this thread is, or Vinko Rajic. I just kinda hijacked the thread.

This is just incorrect. Academicness is measured by the past and current participation in academic study, not whether you are right or wrong. So check this argument off your list.

It's not incorrect at all. This is real life, not in theory. Any academic who enters that contest is done. I seriously cannot believe you would argue that. Then again maybe you have no experience in the academic arena.

[Gobbo]

Show me someone who should have passed but didn't.

The point I'm making is why would anyone even enter a contest that is so clearly and obviously a trap?