Media

[Kriswest]

Media influence. What a great tool to get your opinion believed. Its no longer used by just the major large worldwide news corporations. Hundreds if not thousands of websites and small radio/TV stations use manipulation skills. Editing speeches taking part of a whole and inserting a convincing commentary about the words the speaker said. It works very well.
Are there counter tools out there to prevent media manipulation other than just plain old common sense?

[Kriswest]

From another thread:

Did you not notice how they edited it? It was artfully done. Quick and clean like it was one whole speech. Close your eyes and listen.

First, they have no choice in showing only clips, whether good or bad. They are past the short period where they are just airing the speech. They are into analyzing the exact content, but still limited on time. Sports broadcasters do the same thing; first show the game, then go into short clips of critical moments with commentary.

The reporter's tone and body language was not unbiased. The wording was artfull as well. Complete manipulation.

The "body language" of a reporter is never "unbiased" because of two things; it is from your own interpretation and it is their effort to deal with your biased interpretations. It is like criticizing her for wearing makeup. And when someone is trying to point out deception in wording, they have to "untwist" what was presented twisted, so of course, they choose their words carefully so as to point out that the speakers words have a different meaning that they are trying to make clear. They are trying to point out the magic trick in the wording that was presented by the magician.

That wasn't the entire report, only the commentary AFTER the aired speech.

[Kriswest]

James I don't think you are old enough to remember how reporters were up until mid 60s.
They were flat, dry unemotional. They reported only facts not opinions. Vietnam war really changed the reporting ways. A couple of others on this site are old enough to see the media difference.
I also recall that several days before a president was to give a public speech the news told people when it was to be. It no longer happens that way. The speeches are generally aired at low viewing times, day time during the week or early evenings during general meal time or travel times.. Its rare for a speech to be given during prime time or advertised.
I did not know about this speech, how many actually watched it? What time and station was it on?

[James S Saint]

There are three things that when combined constitute a "god on Earth". Unfortunately they were discovered thousands of years ago. And technology makes them far easier to implement.

News/Entertainment-Media is one of them.

The only reparation necessarily involves serious sacrifice, as was done the first time that plague covered the world. But a different kind of sacrifice is required now, since they didn't get it precisely comprehensive the last time. And you know how little people crave to sacrifice anything.

[Kriswest]

Actually you are right about the craving. It is sad. The credibility of the media with their manipulations is going down hill. This one video is one tiny item in a long list of questionable things. The worst part is: most don't even try too hard to hide the manipulation. Its more of : I am right, you will believe me or I will ruin you, attitude.

[James S Saint]

Actually you are right about the craving. It is sad. The credibility of the media with their manipulations is going down hill. This one video is one tiny item in a long list of questionable things. The worst part is: most don't even try too hard to hide the manipulation. Its more of : I am right, you will believe me or I will ruin you, attitude.

The serious problem is that it is far, far, far worse than you think it is. The world of psychology is the most influential business on the planet. It is the business of priests, ministers, wizards, sorcerers, magicians, politicians, writers, teachers, parents, and just about everyone in society, collectively in the age of sciencism referred to as "Social Engineers".

Literally all of the money in the world (around $1 quadrillion) has been made from the "thin air" of psychology. Their weapon of choice is "The Media" and their target of choice, is "The Children". And of course, Money is power (except in the presence of Media). And almost the entirely of it is about deception (these days). The "dark side" of society has become unimaginably dark with no light on the horizon. And that is why I don't post much on this forum. You aren't supposed to know what is being done TO you and certainly not how. And you still don't. Even when told, you simply cannot believe it. Even those involved have no idea how deep in the darkness of deceptions they have drifted. Everyone has to believe that at least most of what they see is truth, else the mind simply collapses.

Also from a different thread;

"We could be in the Matrix right now" - what do you think about that statement?

Depending on who you mean by "we" and by using the proper metaphor, "we" definitely are.

The issue is one of believing what you see from the media. The media spins a virtual reality image of world events, fake or at least strongly exaggerated. So what the average person believes to be real, is "just a program". They live in that program as a part of it without realizing how much of it is fake.

That reminds us of Platon's "Cave Allegory":


Like prisoners people are chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is the wall of the cave. Behind them burns a fire. Between the fire and the prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers can walk. The puppeteers, who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by objects that they do not see. If the prisoners were released, they could turn their heads and see the real objects. Then they would realize their error.

Instead of "unable to turn their heads" we could say: "unable to use their brains in the right way".

They seek the formation of a total Global union of all life, a "singularity" of ultimate power (as they have said themselves, "We WILL be gods"). In physics it is known as a "black hole" (and not referring to the US President ... this time).

[Kriswest]

Oh I know all of that.
What interests me is your statement of not posting too much and concern of being found.

[James S Saint]

Oh I know all of that.

No
you
don't.

What interests me is your statement of not posting too much and concern of being found.

?? Concern if being found??
I have no concern of being found... ?

My much greater concern is one of NOT being found.
Until you learn just how deep and dark that hole gets, you haven't found ME.

[Mr Reasonable]

Media influence. What a great tool to get your opinion believed. Its no longer used by just the major large worldwide news corporations. Hundreds if not thousands of websites and small radio/TV stations use manipulation skills. Editing speeches taking part of a whole and inserting a convincing commentary about the words the speaker said. It works very well.
Are there counter tools out there to prevent media manipulation other than just plain old common sense?

This is why republicans pushing the citizen's united case and getting corporations the same rights as people is a bad thing.

[Kriswest]

It is a slippery dangerous slope to do so. I am trying to see the connection to media, help me out here coffee has not kick started my brain yet.

[Mr Reasonable]

The people they give the money to buy advertising with it, and they use those ads to trick people.

[zinnat]

how reporters were up until mid 60s.
They were flat, dry unemotional.

Kris,

An unbiased and actual news tends to be flat and unemotional. And, it is how it should be. There should be no place of added drama in the news.

I do not think that started in 60's but much before that.
My assumtion is that it started with the first American sex revolution around 1920.
That was perhaps the first time when media was hugely used to influence the masses.

There are two parts of news; News itself and secondly the views about it.
The news is primoary goal and views are the second one and less important too.

It is not the job of the news reporter to present his views in the form of news. He duty is to narrate plain and simple news and let the viewers decide their views. But, nowdays that is a rarity. Reporters tend to see the news through their prism of viwes. As a result, what we see as news is mostly the views of the reporter.

One can realize this easily from the face expression, tone, stress on particular words and the body language of the reporter, that which side he is tilted.

with love,
sanjay

[Kriswest]

The people they give the money to buy advertising with it, and they use those ads to trick people.

You can't be tricked unless you let yourself be tricked or if you have below average intelligence.
By the time you were 15 how many times did you get lied to? How many times did you question what you were told?
By the time you were 25 how many products that you bought were subpar compared to their advertisement?
I could go on. My point is people fall for tricks with their eyes wide open. You mentioned craving. Why that need or desire to fall for it? It should not happen. Hell life goes out of it's way to teach us that it is dangerous and stupid.

[James S Saint]

The people they give the money to buy advertising with it, and they use those ads to trick people.

You can't be tricked unless you let yourself be tricked or if you have below average intelligence.

And you can't be hypnotized without your permission.
And you can't be hypnotized to do anything that you don't want to do.
..never mind that "hypnosis" MEANS "affecting your will without your awareness".

EVERYONE can be tricked.... EVERYONE, no exceptions.

For example, YOU have been tricked into thinking otherwise.

[Mr Reasonable]

The people they give the money to buy advertising with it, and they use those ads to trick people.

You can't be tricked unless you let yourself be tricked or if you have below average intelligence.
By the time you were 15 how many times did you get lied to? How many times did you question what you were told?
By the time you were 25 how many products that you bought were subpar compared to their advertisement?
I could go on. My point is people fall for tricks with their eyes wide open. You mentioned craving. Why that need or desire to fall for it? It should not happen. Hell life goes out of it's way to teach us that it is dangerous and stupid.

Do you really believe this? You don't think that most people can be tricked? No one can know how many times they've been lied to. That's the nature of the lie. People don't have a need or a desire to fall for bullshit political ads. They just do because that's what the greatest minds in advertising have made their goal. The reason is that they can be given unlimited money to lie to the public about policy and so on in the name of helping someone buy an election. I believe in personal responsibility as much as you do, but it's not the victim's fault everytime someone does something unethical that gives them negative consequences. I really don't think that many people truly understand the impact of these cases that have been brought fourth by the far right. And I know you identify as right wing, but I have to ask...would it be fair or democratic if one side has billions to spend and the other only has millions? Are you willing to sell out your democracy on arguments of personal freedom to buy all the political ads you can afford?

[Kriswest]

Both of you reread this part please:
I could go on. My point is people fall for tricks with their eyes wide open. You mentioned craving. Why that need or desire to fall for it? It should not happen. Hell life goes out of it's way to teach us that it is dangerous and stupid.

We know the lies are there, average experience should make us raving cynics. From childhood we discover lies told to us, parents, teachers etc.
Hypnotism may be a reason but, it seems to me that a numbness would be the reason. Perhaps somehow our brains just give up and stop questioning and fighting. Stockholm seems more applicable here than flat hypnotism or any other reason. A natural version that life puts in front of us not mass psychologists manipulating only. They just take advantage of this.

[James S Saint]

They don't merely "take advantage". They arrange for advantage by first hypnotizing you into believing that you can't be hypnotized without knowing it. THEN they take advantage of your willingness to even deal with them at all.

They know that you believe that TV programs are merely trying to make money, because that is what they convinced you of. They quite knowingly and intentionally make it all too confusing, "obfuscation", so that deceptions can hide in "plausible deniability".

What they don't know is merely how much of their own deceptions cause them to drift deeper and deeper into being deceived themselves. They continually believe that they are merely deceiving you a little "for a good cause". As they get further into the darkness, their eyes adjust, just as anyone's would. So they don't see it as darker. In reality, they left any "good cause" long, long ago. And the few who wake up a little to the degree of deception decide that the whole world is nothing but deception anyway, so why bother doing anything else.

Deception and hypnosis have become a serious science with the military leading the way and the population merely a play ground and laboratory for practice and experiments. Same with medicines (a different "mediation").

People aren't "falling for it". They are being led and pushed into it by their own crowd of leaders and pushers.

[Ben JS]

Psychiatrists are the ones dishing the meds and denying your own body's wisdom.

Psychologists ask, 'What do you want?'

Also,

Technology is a tool.

If people were wise, they'd know how to use it to their interest.

Technology isn't the source of threat, people are.

Teach people to evaluate rationally.

Don't just preach there's no circumstance for something as complex as all technological development and application.

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It's not hypnosis or manipulation if one is completely open with you.

[Kriswest]

Ok so James, how do you suggest stopping it?

[Mr Reasonable]

Kris you said it in your OP here that media was a powerful tool. So why is it suddenly the fault of the victim of that tool when it comes to light that people on the far right are wanting to use it to weaken the democratic process?

[James S Saint]

Ok so James, how do you suggest stopping it?

Well, the first thing that you have to do is decide if you actually want to stop it.

All life is guided by the Perception of Hope and Threat. The Media is the Perception Matrix (featured in the film The Matrix) presented as a Gordian Knot, wherein every strand of deception merely wraps around to another. One of the oldest questions of Man is how to avoid deception, how to untie the Gordian Knot of deceit.

But there is a serious question to be answered before you even try. A great many powerful people are vested in the Matrix of beliefs and deceits. Not everyone wants to take "the red pill". They would prefer not only to remain in the Matrix, but also to keep the Matrix strong and populated. So do you really want to become an outsider to it? Do You want to "take the red pill".

Before the Propaganda Ministry (aka Media) changes their tactics, they have to be given a reason. They have to perceive the hope in communicating the truth and the threat of deceiving. Typically since lies work for at least a while to escape judgment and/or gain profit, people have to be brought into serious need before they give up their hope in deceptions. They have to perceive a threat greater than their former hope or a different hope greater than their former hope (an even greater means to get rich and powerful). They have to give up on the impetus for their ego, their religion, their golden calf, their protected beliefs in what they are and what they do.

But my take on it is this;

The Need to Believe

Hinduism: People need to believe in lie A
Christianity: People need to believe lie B.
Islam: People need to believe lie C.
Secularism: People need to believe lie D.
Buddhism: People need to believe that all is deception.
Judaism: We need people to fight over their beliefs.

Buddhism and Judaism have something in common in that neither is proposing a particular truth or lie to believe. They are each in the third category of; True, False, or Other, being partially true and partially not, yet still a deception in itself.


JSS: People need to learn how to momentously harmonize whether by deception or truth, but only because all of the competition is leading to a catastrophic failure of all homosapian as a species and possibly of all organic life on Earth.

Soon billions of people are going to be mass murdered for sake of the proposed needs of the others (overpopulation concerns). They are being insidiously voted off the planet. The process has already begun.

The excuse, "Such is just life playing itself out. All life evolves and dies out" is just that, an excuse to avoid the pertinent question, and an excuse for selective mass murder to protect the few on top. It is like saying that the train speeding at full throttle toward the edge of a cliff is just physics playing itself out. In other words, "Let’s not change anything, but continue doing the same thing until we get our selected results regardless of the cost because we are getting rich".

On the planet of the apes, in the land of lies, all they do, to their own demise.

Medications/drugs, Media/entertainment, and Money are actually all the same thing, a medium used to keep your mind and heart trapped within a gilded cage, a solipsist fantasy world wherein you work, suffer, and die as a slave at the bequest of The System, The Matrix.

But to get out of it is like a heroin addict surrounded by heroin addicts trying to be the only one clean - what are the chances? And what is actually to be gained by you individually? How many of those people all around you are still going to be your friends? How many are going to suddenly hate you? The deceivers do all they can do to control all belief so as to hide the truth. They can't tolerate hints of light in the darkness.

So before you even try, decide if you really want to try, decide; "red pill or blue pill".

[Kriswest]

Kris you said it in your OP here that media was a powerful tool. So why is it suddenly the fault of the victim of that tool when it comes to light that people on the far right are wanting to use it to weaken the democratic process?

LOL, Far right? They are the only ones?
Victim is one word to use. It works but, not fully. I am asking whys, whats and hows.

[James S Saint]

Kris you said it in your OP here that media was a powerful tool. So why is it suddenly the fault of the victim of that tool when it comes to light that people on the far right are wanting to use it to weaken the democratic process?

LOL, Far right? They are the only ones?
Victim is one word to use. It works but, not fully. I am asking whys, whats and hows.

Yeah, that "Far Right" association was kind of ... emm ... ridiculous considering that Hollywood, and thus all popular films, are excessive far left having to conform to pictorial censorship and psychological manipulation schemes especially concerning religion, gender, and race. And TV is more about the superiority of police, secret agencies, government spying, white women with black men, and atheistic scientists with a confused, lonely, religious white male semi-superhero or clown thrown in for contrast.

Yeah "far right" all the way.

[Mr Reasonable]

Kris you said it in your OP here that media was a powerful tool. So why is it suddenly the fault of the victim of that tool when it comes to light that people on the far right are wanting to use it to weaken the democratic process?

LOL, Far right? They are the only ones?
Victim is one word to use. It works but, not fully. I am asking whys, whats and hows.

I didn't say it was just the far right. Someone's got a case of the "onlys". But you are aware of the citizens united and the mccutcheon decisions right? Those were heavily advocated by right wing groups that want to use media, the very effective kind that you mentioned in your OP without limits to influence our democracy. They literally spent huge money and time to see to it that campaign finance reform laws all became ineffective.

Now who should win an election? The guy that's really who everyone wants? Or the guy who had a billion dollars to spend on the really effective advertising that you mentioned? I mean in current events, there's no doubt that those 2 supreme court decisions effectively create a situation where elections are more buy-able than ever before, and there's no doubt that they were brought fourth and advocated for by the financiers of the republican candidates.

Should corporation's dollars be the same as your vote?

[James S Saint]

I didn't say it was just the far right. Someone's got a case of the "onlys". But you are aware of the citizens united and the mccutcheon decisions right? Those were heavily advocated by right wing groups that want to use media, the very effective kind that you mentioned in your OP without limits to influence our democracy. They literally spent huge money and time to see to it that campaign finance reform laws all became ineffective.

Now who should win an election? The guy that's really who everyone wants? Or the guy who had a billion dollars to spend on the really effective advertising that you mentioned? I mean in current events, there's no doubt that those 2 supreme court decisions effectively create a situation where elections are more buy-able than ever before, and there's no doubt that they were brought fourth and advocated for by the financiers of the republican candidates.

Should corporation's dollars be the same as your vote?

What you seem to be missing is that such has been the aim of "Democratic Socialism" from day one (a serious leftist agenda). The only difference is that now they are more willing to just say it and try to make it legal (the Obama agenda, "Rule of Law" - make whatever you want to do legal before doing it). In many countries they brag about how wonderfully they can manipulate the children into being better social idols. It is only because the USA was designed specifically to deter that, they have been hiding it for so long.

Liberals are FAR more manipulative than Conservatives, but they are both in the game. You can't have merely one manipulator without getting blamed. So the Republicans play the pretense of "conservation" while the Democrats play the pretense of "liberation".

The Libertarians are the only ones intent on maintaining the Constitution and avoiding total socialistic dictatorship. But you can see how much influence they have. If Ron Paul had been elected, he would have been assassinated. It is a war that they are playing for keeps.

And corporations have had citizen rights for a century or more, just not an individual vote in Congress.