Mind is much more than psychology.

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Mind is much more than psychology. Do you agree?

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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby zinnat » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:55 am

You are supporting Serle’s or Freud’s viewpoint.

But, besides mere definitions, i am asserting something entirely different. I am not taking it as a dulity issue.

I am saying that mind is also made of matter, in the same way which the brain is made. Though, both matters are different. And, the mind is not derived from brain's functions. On the contrary, thoughts are originally manifested in the mind, not in the brain.

For more clarification, mind has independence existence than the brain. It does not need the brain to survive. Mind (and consciousness) predates brain, not the other way around.

Secondly, as far as i know, my viewpoint is not supported by materialists. Or, may be i got it wrong.

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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:57 am

Orb wrote:Another way of putting it is this: The concept of 'mind' preceeded the study of psychology. Psychology could be seen as inclusive within mind, but only since the time psychology became what it is now, the study of the functions of the brain. originally philosophy it's self included what we call science today, therefore the same can be said of philosophy containing all the other studies dealing with mind. but, we can only see this retrospectively , wherein lies the catch. differentiations of functions determine how we define and prioritize function. Mind denoted no such psychology, that could be said to be prioritized, since such would be based on a presupposition not existing at that time. if so it becomes a revers , after the fact hypothetical, begging a sequential time dependent argument, which could not be pre-supposed. but this not deter from arguing this way, to show an inclusivity of psychology within mind, as a presupposition. Nothing wrong with this type of thinking, but it becomes a conditional pre-supposition
The fact that my vote is in the minority position should not deter me, as was Yours a minority position within the question of whether machines will eliminate all human beings. my vote was then, within the majority opinion,the argument here, being, is that a minority or majority opinion has no bearing on the truth or falsity obased on a search for probable outcome.

Is it right that for you truth and falsitiy have no value?

The change of the majority/minority-relation you mentioned is interesting. And currently both majority/minority-relations are about 80%/20% (do you remember my texts about the 80/20-relation?).
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:15 am

Orb wrote:Except by virtue of their application, was the conditional premiss. if we define some thing, we point or signal to that thing, and give the definition value. there are valueless definitions where we assign arbitrary value without a useful assignment. the mind is something like soul we use them as further vessels for other definitions.

Mind is not like soul.

Orb wrote:Such as, the mind consits of the soul, or some process which goes on in the brain.

Oh, no, Obe, please! Mind and soul, or mind and brain, or soul (psyche) and brain are not the same! .... Never!

Orb wrote:Of course, as You may have already guessed, I am not really a positivist-materialist, I am using the tools of meaning, since that is the basis of Your interpretation into meaning. Myposting a may be variably meaningless, but there are schools of prescribing meaning,with variable associations, the minima of which is pure redundancy, and the maxima pure entropy. Meaning varies between these two asymptotes, and is ascribed or denoted with interpretation. I wish You the best in this Holiday Season.

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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby zinnat » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:39 am

Orb wrote:Zinnat, The difference between mind as an 'entity' and it's function qua psychological process is, by logical extension minimal, if any. The brain, is an entity, inasmuch it is a physiological mass. The same thing can not be said of the mind. The mind consists of the brain's functions, which are manifested by the psychological processes, without which the difference could not be made in the first place. Seeing a duality between brain and mind, brings in the epistemological duality, which has been denied by materialists. So, the question only resolves within an axiomatic of establishing an inductive proof, versus one of defining what implicates the definition. That's all there is. it can go either way depending on either versions.


Arminius wrote:Obe (Orb), you should say to Zinnat that you are an Occidental (thus: Faustian) materialist. But being a materialist doesen't automatically mean being right, being intelligent, being wise, being a God, .... but does probably mean being a Godwannabe.


I neither know much nor interested in these confusing definitions, which go round and round.

Let me clear what i am trying to say.

To me, the classification is very simple. There are or can be only two types of materials, that can exist; changeable and non-changeable.

Anything that is open to change is not real but illusion, no matter what it is. That includes both mind and brain. Then, it boils down to who predates whom and what lasts more. And, the answer in both the cases is mind.

The only thing that non-changeable or eternal is the consciousness. Thus, that is only true matter that exists in the cosmos, rest all is illusion.

I do not think that one may call this materialism. This is something closer to what Berkeley' suggested a long ago, though not exactly the same.

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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:12 am

Arminius wrote:
Orb wrote:Except by virtue of their application, was the conditional premiss. if we define some thing, we point or signal to that thing, and give the definition value. there are valueless definitions where we assign arbitrary value without a useful assignment. the mind is something like soul
we use them as further vessels for other definitions.

Mind is not like soul.



Orb wrote:Such as, the mind consits of the soul,
or some process which goes on in the brain.


Oh, no, Obe, please! Mind and soul, or mind and brain, or soul (psyche) and brain are not
the same! .... Never!


Orb wrote:Of course, as You may have already
guessed, I am not really a positivist-materialist, I am
using the tools of meaning, since that is the basis of Your interpretation into meaning. Myposting a may be variably meaningless, but there are schools of
prescribing meaning,with variable associations, the
minima of which is pure redundancy, and the maxima pure entropy. Meaning varies between these two asymptotes, and is ascribed or denoted with
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Mind and Soul and brain are of course different. And the difference may be that one stays the same and the other does not. yet what stay the same out of that list? The brain? No, it degrades with age. Mind? It certainly changes. But how is mind different from consciousness? And how is the soul different? I can say, 'mindfullness of soul or my soul, or 'soulfulness of my mind,perhaps', but do not these thoughts boil down to consciousness or awareness of something we call the soul or a mind? It is very difficult to misunderstand what is meant by mind, yet it is very illusive, because all we have to go by is how we are using it. for instance, when some one says. Mind your manners, or mind the store, it means differently than if I were to say, my mind is somewhere else. Then again, we can say do You mind if I tell You have no mind in this matter? what are we implying? What is meant by mind, is not some entity, but a state, of mind. it is not some thing, but a state. but cannot something similar said of the soul as when describing the soul? A pure soul can be perceived as subsisting in a state of grace, for instance. the content or the vessel of mindfullness of this state of grace is a pure soul. I see no other way to arrive at meaning here, of truth or falsity, thane as ascribing meaning to a chain of meanings, neither of which are of the same or even similar meanings. They change, within differing contexts, and differently overlapping chains of implied meanings.

the mind can similarly construe a psychology of meaningful thoughts, events, or what have You, they can predicate meaning in how these changing meanings shade and envelope each other in posckets of sub meanings. I see no way out of a definitional grid,nw here shades overlap and become what they are by virtue of one shade changing the overall color thus produced. This is why change can not be attributed as illicit in it's own criteria of meaning, it is dependent on the sequential shades of change without which they become explicit, and meaningless.
When we say 'my mind is inside my brain' is a good example, because we are using words which indicate an implicit location, whereas no one really knows where the mind is located. it looks to me as if the mind was both inside and outside our brains. mind may be even extemporaneous to any mind, maybe as a soul, it may exist in a world not of our understanding or perception. So where is psychology then? In books? In our minds? Psychology is not a thing until it is applied with the understanding that it will change the way we perceive, objectify and use their principles. a psychological text, in this sense is extemparenious to our understanding, in that sense it is neither in our brains or minds, it is simply a usable text. Of course the concept of mind came before the concept of psychology, but it was implicit in it as a possibility. so they were contemporaneous.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:25 am

Arminius, yes how can I forget the OUZO, which is great help in dealing with double vision, it conflates reality with illusion, identity with difference, and the duality becomes as simple and unitary as the cogito ergo sum becoming esse est percipii. perceiving mind and brain similarly in terms of a consciousness of function, may be an ulterior process originating from the Creation it's self. the problem is, we are all God wannabe's in your words , and we fail to realize that the God head we individually seeking in neither here or there, within individual egos, but in something akin within the design of the grand scheme of things.
The mind and the Soul lost their usefullness, because of we have been robbed of our faith, and psychology became the emphasis in seeking the grand design, within the alienated and divided soul we suffered as a consequence of losing our being , within the Great Design. It is a new way to recapture the lost soul we once Unitarian, and individually possessed.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:35 am

Zinnat, consciousness is no guaranty of changeless ness, consciousness is not an object, it has an objective, and that objective is eternally changing. how can that not be, if the very objects we become conscious of, change as well? Your thema would be truly immutable, if, again we could posit an aeternum where certain objectives could be guaranteed. however the big picture offers no such guarantees, we surmise that since we can not locate them within our own fragmented subjectivity. Our objective to unify points toward a propensity, but not a definite object, place or understanding. Therefore psychology has an objective to unify , and to bring into a focus of overlapping elements of subjectivity, which we gather to cause the illusionary nature of reality. It is the nature of man to bring into alignment all the disparaging elements, so that the mind can conceive relationships which occur commonly between the soul, the mind, the consciousness, so as to produce a perceivable Object. we call that God.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:47 am

The problem with the psycholgy is that it has no real object because nobody knows what psyche really is, means, how it can be defined. ... and so on.

Brain is a natural, especially a biological, more especially a neurological object, soul is a cultural, religious, theological, philosophical object, and mind is a cultural, semiotic, linguistic, theological (partly also religious), philosophical object. According to the psychologists "psyche" is a psychological object because psychologists say that "psyche" is something between brain, soul, and mind; but why do they hide their object if they have one? The answer is that they have no object, or at least no real object. According to this we have the same problem with the "psyche" as all our ancestors had - except one point: since the occidental modernity psychology and especially sociology have been becoming the main part of the new theology and especially the new religion because the old theology and especially the old religion have been becoming the losers. This refers mainly to the occidental culture, but more and more also to the other cultures on our planet.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:16 pm

zinnat13 wrote:Brain causes minds.

The mind is the main source for the usage of the brain. Mind and brain have an interdependent relationship to each other. The mind is a cultural phenomenon, and the brain is a natural phenomenon.

zinnat13 wrote:I am taking mind as an real entity, and only thoughts/psychology as a hypothetical one. To me, it is not the brain that produces thoughts, but the mind. The job of the brain is only to convey those thoughts to the body to act upon. Brain is nothing but a mediator between the mind and the body. It is merely a messenger, not an originator.

The brain and the mind are both because there is this interdependent relationship I mentioned. The brain does its "job", as you say, in a natural way, and the mind does its "job", as you say, in a cultural way.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Lump » Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:17 pm

Arminius wrote:Mind is much more than psychology. Do you agree?
Well of cause it is, psychology only behavior of human nature, not the neurological aspect.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:53 am

Lump wrote:
Arminius wrote:Mind is much more than psychology. Do you agree?
Well of cause it is, psychology only behavior of human nature, not the neurological aspect.

Behaviour or behaviourism is a realm of biology, also called biology of behaviour.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:00 pm

Arminius wrote:Mind is much more than psychology. Do you agree?


That's like asking: Is Earth much more than a planet?
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Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Moreno » Fri Jan 30, 2015 5:08 pm

Arminius wrote:The problem with the psycholgy is that it has no real object because nobody knows what psyche really is, means, how it can be defined. ... and so on.

Brain is a natural, especially a biological, more especially a neurological object, soul is a cultural, religious, theological, philosophical object, and mind is a cultural, semiotic, linguistic, theological (partly also religious), philosophical object. According to the psychologists "psyche" is a psychological object because psychologists say that "psyche" is something between brain, soul, and mind; but why do they hide their object if they have one? The answer is that they have no object, or at least no real object. According to this we have the same problem with the "psyche" as all our ancestors had - except one point: since the occidental modernity psychology and especially sociology have been becoming the main part of the new theology and especially the new religion because the old theology and especially the old religion have been becoming the losers. This refers mainly to the occidental culture, but more and more also to the other cultures on our planet.

It seems to me that psychiatry and psychopharmacology is the new theology. Yes, the word psych is in these, but the people running these enterprises are generally not psychologists, nor is it useful to think of their focus as psychology. They are brain technicians, using behavioral clues, much as and old style car mechanic listening to the running of an engine, to do their diagnostics. They treat mind, soul, psyche what have you as chemical machines and their tools are primarily chemical.

Psychologists are much more likely to engage in engaging the mind andor psyche and or soul, even, and have other dominant paradigms for what leads to change and what we are. And a psychology text/education will look very different from a psychiatric text/education. Of course, psychology is becoming more physicalist. If only it was becoming more pagan.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby James S Saint » Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:20 pm

Moreno wrote: If only it was becoming more pagan.

???
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:28 am

Moreno wrote:Of course, psychology is becoming more physicalist.

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Re: Mind is nuch more than psychology.

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:25 pm

James S Saint wrote:Kind of depends on your psychology. To me, physiology and psychology cover all that a mind is.


Are, let's say, imagination and creativity a part of those two listed above?
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Sit in a cage and sing?”
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My thoughtless hand
Has brush'd away.

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A man like me?

For I dance
And drink & sing:
Till some blind hand
Shall brush my wing.

If thought is life
And strength & breath:
And the want
Of thought is death;

Then am I
A happy fly,
If I live,
Or if I die”
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Re: Mind is nuch more than psychology.

Postby James S Saint » Sat Feb 07, 2015 4:19 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
James S Saint wrote:Kind of depends on your psychology. To me, physiology and psychology cover all that a mind is.


Are, let's say, imagination and creativity a part of those two listed above?

Certainly.

Imagination is filling the gaps of certainty with optional possibilities (computers woefully do it every day as they guess at your intentions). Creativity is merely free exploration down paths of opportunities to see if anything significant develops. Quantum computers do both to an extreme.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
Else
From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake.

The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living.

You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is".
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Zoot Allures » Sun May 10, 2015 4:26 pm

Thomas Szasz wrote:The phrase "the myth of mental illness" means that mental illness qua illness does not exist. The scientific concept of illness refers to a bodily lesion, that is, to a material — structural or functional — abnormality of the body, as a machine. This is the classic, Virchowian, pathological definition of disease and it is still the definition of disease used by pathologists and physicians as scientific healers.

The brain is an organ — like the bones, liver, kidney, and so on — and of course can be diseased. That's the domain of neurology. Since a mind is not a bodily organ, it cannot be diseased, except in a metaphorical sense — in the sense in which we also say that a joke is sick or the economy is sick. Those are metaphorical ways of saying that some behavior or condition is bad, disapproved, causing unhappiness, etc.

In other words, talking about "sick minds" is analogous to talking about "sick jokes" or "sick economies." In the case of mental illness, we are dealing with a metaphorical way of expressing the view that the speaker thinks there is something wrong about the behavior of the person to whom he attributes the "illness."
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Moreno » Mon May 11, 2015 12:44 pm

Arminius wrote:
Moreno wrote:Of course, psychology is becoming more physicalist.

???
Psychologists refer more and more to psychiatrists. They more and more conceive of mind and brain as the same, and words like soul and spirit are off the table - at least more and more in secular portions of the West. The physicalist model is presented as having won, which is an effective propaganda technique and this is bought by more and more of the educated West. Of course there are vast numbers of studies of minds and cognitive processes in the field of psychology that do not refer to neuroscience, etc. But there is a gradual shifting to thinking of reality, including people and their minds, in physicalist terms. I think that was what I was getting at back then.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Moreno » Mon May 11, 2015 12:48 pm

James S Saint wrote:
Moreno wrote: If only it was becoming more pagan.

???
referring to Arminius other thread at that time where it was asked something like if paganism could save things. Paganism being vitalist, for example, where physicalism is a philosophy of death. Everything is actually dead, life is an appearance scum on the surface of a dead universe. Consciousness is a mere epiphenomenon. Brains (and thus minds) are machines. And so on.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Wed May 13, 2015 7:11 pm

Zoot Allures wrote:
Thomas Szasz wrote:The phrase "the myth of mental illness" means that mental illness qua illness does not exist. The scientific concept of illness refers to a bodily lesion, that is, to a material — structural or functional — abnormality of the body, as a machine. This is the classic, Virchowian, pathological definition of disease and it is still the definition of disease used by pathologists and physicians as scientific healers.

The brain is an organ — like the bones, liver, kidney, and so on — and of course can be diseased. That's the domain of neurology. Since a mind is not a bodily organ, it cannot be diseased, except in a metaphorical sense — in the sense in which we also say that a joke is sick or the economy is sick. Those are metaphorical ways of saying that some behavior or condition is bad, disapproved, causing unhappiness, etc.

In other words, talking about "sick minds" is analogous to talking about "sick jokes" or "sick economies." In the case of mental illness, we are dealing with a metaphorical way of expressing the view that the speaker thinks there is something wrong about the behavior of the person to whom he attributes the "illness."

It is sad enough that one has to explain this again and again. The brain is a part of the body, scintifically spoken: a part of biology, especially neurology. Brain is not mind, and both are not psyche. Brain is scientifically accessible, but psyche and mind are scientifically not accessible, because they are scientifically not objectifiable. So psychology is not a scientifical discipline. Psychology has no scientifical object. It can merely be a part of a theory.

Nobody knows what psyche really is. That is the reason why it is used for everything. It is no thing (=> no-thing => nothing), and if no thing is used for everything, then you can be sure that that can never be a real scientifical object and that those people who use it in that way are charlatans, quacks, quacksalvers, and so on.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Wed May 13, 2015 7:39 pm

The object, is not strictly speaking a physical object, a non physical objective may be spoken of as substantial. The difference between an objective, a mental event, and an object is one of secondary derivative of its constitution. Therefore it can be spoken of as an object, the substantial part of any thing, and it will by definition be a no-thing.

Whether that is something physical, or mental, is a derivation of secondary categorization, because irregardless both objects and objectives primarily have a perceptive albeit mental derivation. This is the primal identity between them , and the differentiaion takes place after this.

This is why cognition is a precedent, and that is why existenze philosophy has failed as a reductive process from secondary to primary signification. this is the reason for the existential angst, and it's failed attempt at a nihilistic leap.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Orbie » Wed May 13, 2015 7:44 pm

The deontological process gives certainty or assurance to the alternative model, vis, an inductive reduction, effecting the social/psychological shift/change of the paradigms. Szasz was by most part, right, within this meaning structure.
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taking thought,-
i know nothing. But i can

Full well your need-as
you be men
This: Re-Creation. With a
bow,
Then, your obedient

servant now.
One gift is all i find in me,
And that is faithful
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby Arminius » Wed May 13, 2015 7:57 pm

I am talking about a scientific object, and that is well defined. Psyche is no scientific object.
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Re: Mind is much more than psychology.

Postby fuse » Wed May 13, 2015 8:23 pm

Moreno wrote: Paganism being vitalist, for example, where physicalism is a philosophy of death. Everything is actually dead, life is an appearance scum on the surface of a dead universe.

I don't think physicalism in general is tied to any statements about life or death in the universe - apart from the claim that life is rooted in purely physical phenomena along with everything else.
I'm sure a lot of physicalists think of the universe as something that is not even dead but non-living. But, like I was saying, this is an extra claim that is not essential to physicalism.
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