Nasty 15

A_Shieldmaiden · February 22, 2016, 10:54pm

Is this indicative of women today?

Or is she an exception.

There was no lipstick, no perfume and no fingernail polish.

Moreno · February 22, 2016, 11:12pm

That was 2009. I suppose that counts as today in some context, but a single soccer match 6 years ago might not be the best measure of ‘women today’ and good basis for a thesis in
Philosophy and MInd. Not sure how the make-up plays a role in the thesis either.

A_Shieldmaiden · February 22, 2016, 11:41pm

Admittedly I used that to perhaps show a stark example of violence and aggression that is now more prevalent in women in today’s society.

taken from the description below the vid, you obviously did not read it. sigh

A study conducted in 2014 found that women were more likely to use physical aggression than men and it wasn’t just pushing and shoving, it was things like beating up, kicking and threatening to use a weapon.

There is a definite trend today which shows that women would not think twice about throwing a punch your way, male or female.

I single out women only because this seems to be a new mode of behaviour for them, whereas men, (not all men or women of course) naturally resort to this kind of defence and it would be determined usually as male aggression.

I think there would be quite a few men intimated by this type of aggressive woman.

“The feminist movement made violence towards women something we talk about. Now there is more support for men and more of them are coming forward.”

Ierrellus · February 23, 2016, 3:39pm

I watched the video and found #15 simply a bully. I don’t think her actions describe a majority of females. I like strong women, but am not turned on by women boxers, wrestlers or body builders. This is not to say that women should not be aggressive.

Ultimate_Philosophy · February 23, 2016, 3:43pm

What if I am?

Pandora · February 23, 2016, 7:42pm

She lost control of herself under stress of the game, part of which was also psychological.

ALBUQUERQUE — Nearly two weeks later, the University of New Mexico soccer player Elizabeth Lambert said she still could not fully explain what led her to yank an opponent from Brigham Young down by her ponytail in what has become a highly publicized incident of violent behavior.

Her action was indefensible, Lambert said Tuesday in her first interview since the incident occurred Nov. 5 in a Mountain West Conference semifinal game and led to her indefinite suspension from the New Mexico team.

“I still deeply regret it and will always regret it and will carry it through the rest of my life not to retaliate,” said Lambert, a 20-year-old junior on scholarship.

She has watched the video a handful of times and does not recognize herself pulling down Brigham Young’s Kassidy Shumway, Lambert said.

“I look at it and I’m like, ‘That is not me,’ ” said Lambert, a defender and an all-conference academic player. “I have so much regret. I can’t believe I did that.”

At the same time, she said other moments of aggressive play — in which Lambert elbowed a Brigham Young player in the back, received a yellow card for tripping, seemed to throw a punch at an opponent’s head and made a hard tackle from behind — came during the forceful, insistent play that routinely occurred in women’s soccer but might be misunderstood by casual fans.

Some of her actions — like the apparent punch, which she said was inadvertent — were misinterpreted or taken out of context on a condensed video, Lambert said. And she said she believed that the incident was blown out of proportion because it occurred in a women’s game. She said it was wrongly reported to be her when it was actually a teammate who tried to clear a ball and accidentally kicked it into the face of a B.Y.U. player.

“I definitely feel because I am a female it did bring about a lot more attention than if a male were to do it,” Lambert said. “It’s more expected for men to go out there and be rough. The female, we’re still looked at as, Oh, we kick the ball around and score a goal. But it’s not. We train very hard to reach the highest level we can get to. The physical aspect has maybe increased over the years. I’m not saying it’s for the bad or it’s been too overly aggressive. It’s a game. Sports are physical.”

She added: “I think the way the video came out, it did make me look like a monster. That’s not the type of player I am. I’m not just out there trying to hurt players. That’s taking away from the beauty of the game. And I would never want to do that.”

Lambert said she was shaken and appalled by some of the responses she received in e-mail messages, telephone messages and on blogs, which included the publishing of her parents’ home phone number in Southern California and one suggestion that “I should be taken to a state prison, raped and left for dead in a ditch.”

She said she felt conflicting emotions and sometimes still woke up in a sweat.

“I’ll be angry with myself that I did this, to my team, my university, that I did this to women’s soccer, a sport that many females have worked very hard to get respect for,” Lambert said. “And I’ll be sad that people want to see me suffer.”

She said she was taken aback at how the incident had been perceived by some as sexy catfighting between two women. She said she was aghast that some men had sent her messages saying, “Hey, we should meet up some time.”

“That appalled me,” Lambert said. “A lot of people think I have a lot of sexual aggression. I was like, ‘Whoa, no, I don’t feel that way at all.’ That’s bizarre and shocking to me.”

[b]The game against Brigham Young began with familiar passion and intensity, Lambert said. Emotions escalated after Brigham Young took a 1-0 halftime lead, given that a defeat could mean the end of the season and a failure to qualify for the N.C.A.A. tournament, she said.

Opposing fans were mockingly chanting her name, she said, and players on both teams were playing aggressively. She said she was called names and taken down to the ground with cheap shots. On video, a B.Y.U. player can be seen elbowing Lambert in the stomach before she shoves the opponent in the back in retaliation. Shumway can be seen tugging on Lambert’s shorts before she is yanked down by her ponytail.

If the referee Joe Pimentel had issued more yellow cards or a red card, Lambert said, “It would have been a very different game.”

Still, Lambert said that she did not want to throw Pimentel “under the bus” and that she did not consider the game to be out of control.

Her coach, Kit Vela, never instructed her to “take anybody out,” Lambert said, adding that the B.Y.U. players also did not appear to have malign intent.

Lambert said she eventually grew frustrated, as much with herself as with the opponent, saying she had often struggled with self-confidence and with feeling “that I’m accepted playing at this level.”

Lambert said of the match: “I’ve never been in a situation like that, where I was out of my element. There were times in the game where I was literally like, ‘All right, Elizabeth, you’ve got to get control’ of myself.”

In each of her two previous matches, Lambert had received a yellow-card warning, but those were the only cautions in more than 2,500 minutes of play at New Mexico, a university official said.

Lambert said she did not consider herself a dirty player. Yet in the second half, she yanked Shumway down by her ponytail and assumed widespread villainy.

“In that one moment, I let it all get into my head,” Lambert said of the emotion of the game.[/b]

Later in the match, Lambert received a yellow card for tripping.

She is seeing a clinical psychologist on campus to better understand what caused the hair-pulling incident. It is one of several steps she is taking, along with speaking to youth players about acceptable behavior, so she can seek reinstatement to the team in the spring.

“I’m working on my mental game to never let that happen again,” Lambert said. “That’s unacceptable in any sport to get to that point where you feel it’s necessary that you have to retaliate in a dirty manner.”

nytimes.com/2009/11/18/sport … .html?_r=1

Are women more likely to get into physical fights today? I don’t see it. This girl expressed physical aggression in the context of a soccer game, I doubt she will encounter another situation like this in real life.

Mictlantecuhtli · February 23, 2016, 11:21pm

I almost thought this was a Kama Sutra discussion thread.

AutSider · February 24, 2016, 2:48am

The kitchen shown on that video looks strange, with grass and goalposts and… wait… that’s not a kitchen… THAT’S NOT A KITCHEN AT ALL

What are these girls doing out of the kitchen? They best be making a sandwich.

Tasks of such great importance as chasing a ball around the field must only be assigned to real men. The future of civilization is at stake here, folks.

zinnat · February 24, 2016, 5:18am

It is all about male and female psychological displays, both of which are there in both genders.

Any quality/asset/mean/chareacr/worth can be used in two ways.

Firstly, it can be used just for display without any other purpose. Secondly, it can be used as mean to achieve anything (rightly or wrongly) other than mere display. First way is feminine while the second one is masculine.

Let me give two different examples in the context of both genders to explain my point.

Think of a beautiful women. Given that she is beautiful, she likes to have a bath, makeup a lot and wear such dresses which display her charms whenever she goes outside. But, when she goes to the bed with her spouce, she does not pay that much attention to her beauty. She also asks to dim or turn of the lights before removing her dress, even if her spouce wants otherwise.

This is feminine character; using one’s worth merely for display where it is least required and not using it for what it is specifically meant or where it is necessary.

Now think of a bodybuilder and a traditional blacksmith. A bodybuilder have very good and developed body and but he does not do anything with those except displaying his bare and shaved chest all the time. On the other hand, a blacksmith may have the same body but he is not interested in showing that. He prefers to use his body to make articles from the iron. Here, that bodybuilder is of feminine character, irrespective of how much muscles he may have on his body. And, a blacksmith is masculine even if he does not have any extra musles.

To clear the issue more, a prostitute is a masculine character because she uses her body charms to attract customers in order to earn money. She does not display her body just for the sake of displaying it. She uses it as mean to get something else, even though it may not be a right choice.

Characters of both genders use to exist in both genders. Any particular gender character is not found exclusively only in that gender body. Means, genders are found at two levels; body and mind. And, they might be different in some cases. A male may have a masculine body but feminine mind. And, in the same way, a female may have a typical soft feminine body but very strong musculine mind inside. Typical examples are Margret Thether and Indira Gandhi. Bill Clinton and Tony Blair are the examples of male body and female mind.

You would not find much pics of Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or even Mark Jucerbarg wearing very fancy dresses, even though they can afford it easily. Being a true man from inside, they know that is useless but they do not hesitate much when they spend millions in takeovers of Nokia or WhatsApp. On the other hand, if you see any gathering of film and TV people, they never wear anying sober and simple, whether all that bizzare dresses look good on them or not. That is midless display of what one have.

But, when women are forced to act in the same way of men for whatever reasons, rightly or wrongly, they have to use their worth/qualities in other than mere display. Over the time, it becomes the habit and they start becoming masculine from inside, even without realizing.

That is precisely what happened in the case of that player. It was just a natural masculine reaction, nothing much else. And, she is right in claiming that it would have been gone unnoticed, had a male did that.

If we can have women as a head of countries now, what is the big deal if one women have thrown punches to any other person, male or female? That is hardly a news.

With love,
Sanjay

A_Shieldmaiden · February 24, 2016, 6:06am

What I am referring to is the added power women have today which has brought significant changes for women and men.

Women today have leadership positions in big corporations, unheard of even thirty years ago and some are or have been leaders in crime. For example, one of the heads of the most successful Latin American drug ring was a woman, a Colombian, Griselda Bianco, aka La Madrina, who ran her operation from Miami and this is not an isolated case, as there are more women who have risen to the top of organised crime. Hard to imagine but such figures certainly challenge gender stereotypes.

Perhaps some of the changes in women could be due to the fact that a woman today is not the exclusive childcare giver, as was expected of women in the past. There have been undoubtedly enormous changes in a woman’s role, which when all things are taken into consideration, has created an unhealthy imbalance between the sexes.

James_S_Saint · February 26, 2016, 5:01am

It is all merely social engineering … and to Hell with the consequences.

A_Shieldmaiden · February 26, 2016, 6:13am

JSS wrote:

These Catholics and their fixation with purgatory and hell.

The Jesuit boast, ‘Give me the child for his first seven years, and I’ll give you the man.’

You JSS are the living proof.

MagsJ · June 12, 2016, 2:43pm

Reminds me of ice hockey matches against another school… they played dirty (and when we reciprocated we were scrutinised by the ref). Better to do solidarity sports: weights, triathlons, etc.

Fixed_Cross · June 13, 2016, 4:26pm

I found this hilarious. In a mens socer match any of these offenses would lead to a long suspension.

James_S_Saint · June 13, 2016, 5:24pm

It merely reflects a stigma of the “Me Generation” campaign of the 60-70’s which targeted women and children. Disregard for all social politeness, courtesy, and consideration were promoted along with hatred of just about any and every identifiable group and establishment. Women were specifically taught to be physically aggressive, being told that they could beat up any man merely by kicking him in groin and laughing. Cheating, lying, and stealing were all promoted to the point that a great many people were permanently injured by those attempting to eliminate the competition by any means necessary.

The only rule:
“Don’t get caught by the wrong people.”

…rats and snakes created to destroy societies in preparation for the new global empire.

Mictlantecuhtli · June 14, 2016, 5:43pm

(Never mind.)

A_Shieldmaiden · June 15, 2016, 1:12am

JSS wrote:

Now this is interesting.

Tell me more.

James_S_Saint · June 15, 2016, 4:42am

Imagine every nation in the world as a huge Greek style statue of a man, woman, and child. Then imagine that someone very clever wants to bring the entire world into one family as a single statue of a man, woman, and child. In order to get material to form the new statue, the original statues must be destroyed and their bits and pieces reconstituted into the new image.

That is what you are living through. Obfuscation is used to weaken the clay and extortion is used to re-bond the clay (the people) into its new place and form.

During that process, many annoying creatures (aka “pestilence”) are formed and used to create the entropy of society. Among them are the “snakes” (aka “serpents”) who are people with hidden agendas ready to poison others when they least expect it (betrayers) and rats who are uncivilized, inconsiderate, self-centered people who only concern themselves with not getting caught as they steal, disrupt, and scurry away, spreading filth and disease wherever they go.

Pestilence in a society is formed merely by promoting self-concern over all else. Societies depend upon everyone sharing in the sacrifice required in cooperative, and thus effective, influence (aka “team work”). Thus religions, most especially Christianity with its accursed “love thy neighbor” clause, are propagandized against in an effort to empower social engineers (serpents) to remold society into a new order with the preferred people atop and none else allowed to survive.

A_Shieldmaiden · June 15, 2016, 6:15am

JSS wrote:

Who is this “very clever someone”?

James_S_Saint · June 16, 2016, 2:24am

Your adversary and mine, the Godwannabes.