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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:40 pm

No turtle. What i was pointing out was that perhaps god would remind the minister that he, the minister, also played a part in the good sex which he had with his wife. God might also remind the minister to thank his wife too for the good sex.
Perhaps it was a three-fold effort. :lol:
But I can readily understand the minister's gratitude. :evilfun:
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:01 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:No turtle. What i was pointing out was that perhaps god would remind the minister that he, the minister, also played a part in the good sex which he had with his wife. God might also remind the minister to thank his wife too for the good sex.
Perhaps it was a three-fold effort. :lol:
But I can readily understand the minister's gratitude. :evilfun:

=D> Yep. Apparently the gratitude works three ways!
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:41 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:No turtle. What i was pointing out was that perhaps god would remind the minister that he, the minister, also played a part in the good sex which he had with his wife. God might also remind the minister to thank his wife too for the good sex.
Perhaps it was a three-fold effort. :lol:
But I can readily understand the minister's gratitude. :evilfun:

=D> Yep. Apparently the gratitude works three ways!


:lol: Thank you, Ierrellus, I'm glad someone else "gets" it.
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“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:03 pm

Ubi sunt? Turtleus' posts of questions?
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:24 pm

hello us dummies----I see a need for the guys that rattle the cage...I see [lev m.] and [greatest I am] as the current guys...
I would like to award them with the us dunmmmies award for outstanding posting...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:44 pm

us dummies------I don't see any big cosmic plan for humans...we just are and things are changing and evolving....
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:57 pm

turtle wrote:us dummies------I don't see any big cosmic plan for humans...we just are and things are changing and evolving....

Changing and evolving may just be the great cosmic plan.
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:55 pm

I see changing and evolving as our own individual plan. It happens but by our own determination and struggle.
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"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:29 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:I see changing and evolving as our own individual plan. It happens but by our own determination and struggle.


I guess you can see it both ways...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:43 pm

turtle wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:I see changing and evolving as our own individual plan. It happens but by our own determination and struggle.


I guess you can see it both ways...


Cosmically speaking, I don't think we can see it as a PLAN so much as an organized randomness. But even that is a perception - in hindsight. lol
Can you come up with a better way to express it, turtle? I failed. :lol:
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:48 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
turtle wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:I see changing and evolving as our own individual plan. It happens but by our own determination and struggle.


I guess you can see it both ways...


Cosmically speaking, I don't think we can see it as a PLAN so much as an organized randomness. But even that is a perception - in hindsight. lol
Can you come up with a better way to express it, turtle? I failed. :lol:


I failed also arc...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:19 pm

That it can be seen both ways does not indicate that one way contradicts the other way.
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:12 pm

Ierrellus wrote:That it can be seen both ways does not indicate that one way contradicts the other way.


I agree ....I think it is both ways
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:43 pm

turtle wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:That it can be seen both ways does not indicate that one way contradicts the other way.


I agree ....I think it is both ways

That which does not contradict may complement. I'm searching for complementations, for things that come together as One.
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:50 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
turtle wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:That it can be seen both ways does not indicate that one way contradicts the other way.


I agree ....I think it is both ways

That which does not contradict may complement. I'm searching for complementations, for things that come together as One.


please tell me more about your search...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:53 pm

The wisdom of the world is that all things are only individual, particular, personal. Along the path of dearth a seeker may find manna from heaven in reconciliations of love. Love reunites and includes. It is all there is worth seeking because it unites being and belonging. It sanctifies becoming. The three Bs of Dasein are being, becoming and belonging. Love enhances, and makes possible, all three.
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:43 pm

where are all the dummies...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:26 pm

turtle wrote:where are all the dummies...

Where are the questions that would cause us dummies to opine?
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:13 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
turtle wrote:where are all the dummies...

Where are the questions that would cause us dummies to opine?


ok----this dummy thinks that death and loneliness are the two biggies....and religion tries hard to deal with
these existential problems....
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:51 pm

turtle wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:
turtle wrote:where are all the dummies...

Where are the questions that would cause us dummies to opine?


ok----this dummy thinks that death and loneliness are the two biggies....and religion tries hard to deal with
these existential problems....

Does religion help or hinder?
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:57 pm

turtle
ok----this dummy thinks that death and loneliness are the two biggies....and religion tries hard to deal with
these existential problems....[/quote]

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Does religion help or hinder?[/quote]

turtle
I think it can help and hinder....the worst part of it ......we tear each other to pieces arguing about different beliefs....it helps some people and hurts others...what do you think
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Apr 28, 2014 3:06 pm

Religion is infantile so long as it contains bullies' e.g., threats of eternal damnation. It is infantile if it is married to politics. It is infantile if it does not support hope and love for each other.
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:11 pm

turtle wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:
turtle wrote:where are all the dummies...

Where are the questions that would cause us dummies to opine?


ok----this dummy thinks that death and loneliness are the two biggies....and religion tries hard to deal with
these existential problems....


again
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:10 pm

Death is sometimes to be desired. Just to be finished with suffering. Loneliness is never to be desired. It is suffering. I'd choose death over loneliness, if I had such a choice. But I don't.
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:18 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Religion is infantile so long as it contains bullies' e.g., threats of eternal damnation. It is infantile if it is married to politics. It is infantile if it does not support hope and love for each other.

Religion is infantile so long as it doesn't lead to conscious thought and moral and ethical behavior. I have found that many people, christians and otherwise, (but not you Ierrellus) seem to separate their religion and/or spirituality from what they DO and how they live. Religion for them IS simply an opiate.
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