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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Fri May 30, 2014 8:37 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Lev Muishkin wrote:
Ierrellus wrote: If we become extinct, life becomes the more precious because it is all we have. I hope that is not the case.


If we become extinct then life is completely valueless, as there would be no one to judge. A thing that does not exist cannot be precious.


Not IF - WHEN ~ which means that in the HERE AND NOW, we choose or not to see life as precious and valuable.
I also know that at some point I will be no more. So for now, any discussion of a so-called after life, since we cannot know, is just a moot point.
All we have is the present moment.


yes the present moment....that is all we have
that heaven thing is a preposterous delusion.....unbelievable wish fulfillment
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Sat May 31, 2014 2:06 pm

If heaven is wish fulfillment, what hope is there for those who know hell on earth?
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat May 31, 2014 2:57 pm

Ierrellus wrote:If heaven is wish fulfillment, what hope is there for those who know hell on earth?


we all are in hell on earth....the real problem is inaction...if you are being tortured it is better to try to escape than hope for a better life after death...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Sat May 31, 2014 3:07 pm

turtle wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:If heaven is wish fulfillment, what hope is there for those who know hell on earth?


we all are in hell on earth....the real problem is inaction...if you are being tortured it is better to try to escape than hope for a better life after death...

For some there is no escape, no exit. Would you remove their only hope?
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat May 31, 2014 3:12 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
turtle wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:If heaven is wish fulfillment, what hope is there for those who know hell on earth?


we all are in hell on earth....the real problem is inaction...if you are being tortured it is better to try to escape than hope for a better life after death...

For some there is no escape, no exit. Would you remove their only hope?


I am talking here on ilp...I will not stop talking about inaction in the face of delusion...each person thinks for themselves....
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Sat May 31, 2014 3:24 pm

No one is asking that you stop talking about delusion, etc. It does affect some of us here at ILP--to see our hopes summarily dismissed. I know you mean well, but ILP is not as impersonal as you might believe. I listen to you.
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat May 31, 2014 3:32 pm

Ierrellus wrote:No one is asking that you stop talking about delusion, etc. It does affect some of us here at ILP--to see our hopes summarily dismissed. I know you mean well, but ILP is not as impersonal as you might believe. I listen to you.


I am not trying to hurt anyone on purpose....I see very serious problems coming from the church doctrine....and my beliefs are very strong....I listen to others and what they believe....I must say what I believe...I am not a hateful person but I believe in solving big problems...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Sat May 31, 2014 3:41 pm

turtle wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:No one is asking that you stop talking about delusion, etc. It does affect some of us here at ILP--to see our hopes summarily dismissed. I know you mean well, but ILP is not as impersonal as you might believe. I listen to you.


I am not trying to hurt anyone on purpose....I see very serious problems coming from the church doctrine....and my beliefs are very strong....I listen to others and what they believe....I must say what I believe...I am not a hateful person but I believe in solving big problems...

What big problems would you attempt to solve?
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat May 31, 2014 3:48 pm

Ierrellus wrote:
turtle wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:No one is asking that you stop talking about delusion, etc. It does affect some of us here at ILP--to see our hopes summarily dismissed. I know you mean well, but ILP is not as impersonal as you might believe. I listen to you.


I am not trying to hurt anyone on purpose....I see very serious problems coming from the church doctrine....and my beliefs are very strong....I listen to others and what they believe....I must say what I believe...I am not a hateful person but I believe in solving big problems...

What big problems would you attempt to solve?


the usa is going down and the church is not effective...too many people are leaving it up to god....but we are the ones that need to solve the hell on earth....if we are being told everything will be all right if we just believe and have faith and hope...then we are in trouble...we need action...and that is lacking....
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Sat May 31, 2014 3:58 pm

For any change to happen the young have to want it and the old have to die off. The hope here is in the young. Old beliefs die hard.
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat May 31, 2014 4:12 pm

Ierrellus wrote:For any change to happen the young have to want it and the old have to die off. The hope here is in the young. Old beliefs die hard.


we need a leader and we don't have any out there....are there any church leaders out there that you think might have it...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Ierrellus » Mon Jun 02, 2014 3:12 pm

turtle wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:For any change to happen the young have to want it and the old have to die off. The hope here is in the young. Old beliefs die hard.


we need a leader and we don't have any out there....are there any church leaders out there that you think might have it...

Unfortunately, I can't think of any; but I believe they are out there.
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:16 pm

turtle

we need a leader and we don't have any out there....


Perish the thought!

are there any church leaders out there that you think might have it...


Perish the thought!

What we "really" need are more companions on the way. There are too many power-hungrfy leaders already.
I refuse to be a follower or a leader but I will walk with someone as their equal.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:21 pm

Ierrellus wrote:If heaven is wish fulfillment, what hope is there for those who know hell on earth?


What hope, Ierrellus? - don't mean to preach here (perish the thought) but that hope would be You, Me, others. Perhaps we cannot create a heaven for these people but we can pull them out of hell bit by slow bit. When I'm experiencing a bit of hell or purgatory, I might only wish for a few sips of cool cool water at the hands of a gentle, loving presence - and I don't mean god.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:33 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:If heaven is wish fulfillment, what hope is there for those who know hell on earth?


What hope, Ierrellus? - don't mean to preach here (perish the thought) but that hope would be You, Me, others. Perhaps we cannot create a heaven for these people but we can pull them out of hell bit by slow bit. When I'm experiencing a bit of hell or purgatory, I might only wish for a few sips of cool cool water at the hands of a gentle, loving presence - and I don't mean god.


arc you have done it again...will you be my handmaiden and I will protect you...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:49 pm

turtle wrote:
Arcturus Descending wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:If heaven is wish fulfillment, what hope is there for those who know hell on earth?


What hope, Ierrellus? - don't mean to preach here (perish the thought) but that hope would be You, Me, others. Perhaps we cannot create a heaven for these people but we can pull them out of hell bit by slow bit. When I'm experiencing a bit of hell or purgatory, I might only wish for a few sips of cool cool water at the hands of a gentle, loving presence - and I don't mean god.


arc you have done it again...will you be my handmaiden and I will protect you...


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: In your dreams, turtle. She-dragons are not hand-maidens and are not subservient to anyone!
But I rather think that a she-dragon and a little reptile can be companions on the way.

When I read that, i actually did laugh out loud.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:57 pm

What hope, Ierrellus? - don't mean to preach here (perish the thought) but that hope would be You, Me, others. Perhaps we cannot create a heaven for these people but we can pull them out of hell bit by slow bit. When I'm experiencing a bit of hell or purgatory, I might only wish for a few sips of cool cool water at the hands of a gentle, loving presence - and I don't mean god.[/quote]

arc you have done it again...will you be my handmaiden and I will protect you...[/quote]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: In your dreams, turtle. She-dragons are not hand-maidens and are not subservient to anyone!
But I rather think that a she-dragon and a little reptile can be companions on the way.

When I read that, i actually did laugh out loud.[/quote]

keep on laughing arc....but people can have different talents...maybe I could be your handmaiden and you could protect me....
there is only equality under the law if it is enforced...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby Arcturus Descending » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:12 pm

turtle...

keep on laughing arc....


Turtle, my laughter wasn't meant to be derogatory. I thought that what you said was sweet. You know that I love the little reptile.

but people can have different talents


True - where would the world be if that wasn't so.

...maybe I could be your handmaiden and you could protect me....

But aren't you a male?
Even so, if you ever had need of "true" protection, and I saw that, well, I would fly right over to where you were in ilp and do my best.

there is only equality under the law if it is enforced...

Very often, when it IS enforced, even then, there is no equality or less so.
"Look closely. The beautiful may be small."


"Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe, the oftener and more steadily we reflect on them: the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me."


“Whereas the beautiful is limited, the sublime is limitless, so that the mind in the presence of the sublime, attempting to imagine what it cannot, has pain in the failure but pleasure in contemplating the immensity of the attempt.”

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:08 pm

looks like all the jokers have driven us dummies away....pretty quiet today...
I still believe in the sun god....let there be light
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby MagsJ » Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:14 pm

turtle wrote:looks like all the jokers have driven us dummies away....pretty quiet today...
I still believe in the sun god....let there be light

..very apt for the Summer Solstice, but do you worship other gods?

I think my ancestors were polytheistic, but I'll get back to you with confirmation on that ;)
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Tue Jun 24, 2014 11:15 pm

MagsJ wrote:
turtle wrote:looks like all the jokers have driven us dummies away....pretty quiet today...
I still believe in the sun god....let there be light

..very apt for the Summer Solstice, but do you worship other gods?

I think my ancestors were polytheistic, but I'll get back to you with confirmation on that ;)


dear magsj-----I personally don't need any gods...other people are not superior to me as far as gods go..i really cant explain this but you might know....you seem like a very understanding person...
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby MagsJ » Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:00 pm

turtle wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
turtle wrote:looks like all the jokers have driven us dummies away....pretty quiet today...
I still believe in the sun god....let there be light

..very apt for the Summer Solstice, but do you worship other gods?

I think my ancestors were polytheistic, but I'll get back to you with confirmation on that ;)


dear magsj-----I personally don't need any gods...other people are not superior to me as far as gods go..i really cant explain this but you might know....you seem like a very understanding person...

I have the very same thought on gods, which is why I'm spiritual rather than religious.. after relegating myself to a non-practising Roman Catholic - I guess the facts that it is us who get ourselves through life and the undeniable imperfections of things have brought you to this conclusion?
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite

I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get that time back, and I may need it for something at some point in time. Wait! What?

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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:56 pm

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I still believe in the sun god....let there be light[/quote]
..very apt for the Summer Solstice, but do you worship other gods?

I think my ancestors were polytheistic, but I'll get back to you with confirmation on that ;)[/quote]

dear magsj-----I personally don't need any gods...other people are not superior to me as far as gods go..i really cant explain this but you might know....you seem like a very understanding person...[/quote]
I have the very same thought on gods, which is why I'm spiritual rather than religious.. after relegating myself to a non-practising Roman Catholic - I guess the facts that it is us who get ourselves through life and the undeniable imperfections of things have brought you to this conclusion?[/quote]

mags--I cant believe all the silly shit being posted including my stuff
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:51 pm

us dummies.....I now have the formula---------------GOD=NATURE....
what do you think....how can you attack it....please try
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Re: Philosophy For Us Dummies

Postby turtle » Fri Jul 18, 2014 4:00 pm

us dummies-----please pay attention to the action on two threads......look at GOD=NATURE and levs thread about ATHEIST
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