Trixie, the two characters are from very different comic worlds. Joker never really is involved with the Superman world, or vice versa, save in special edition comics. So, vice versa doesnt matter.
And the whole point is to get to actual people… psychological processes exist in actual people, however boring, however exciting. You can use literary characters, but if you dont start showing how it fits into actual psychological theory, your literary device is made up fantasy, like in how Procopius used to make up wild bullshit about Empress Theodora.
What Procopius did qualifies as Libel and Slander. He took it too far, and it was all wild gossip, not even trying to make it reasonable or factual. She didn’t actually ride around on a broomstick, we know this… but peasants might not.
However, he was part of a legitimate tradition… Tacitus, Seutonius, Arrian, Malalas, Zozimus…
Take Seutonius, his lives of the 12 Caesars… like Tacitus, he didn’t much like the Emperors. He willingly accepted every absurd rumor going about Rome about Emperor Tiberius’ conduct… but Emperor Tiberius more or less was in voluntary isolation on Capri… Sejanus was his chief minister, clearly aiming to replace Tiberius… nobody doubts this. However… everything bad written about Tiberius got out during Sejanus’ primiership. How… unexplainable. Seutonius at least claims to of made the effort to interview old maids at the palace on Capri to confirm the stories… so under modetn concept of law, couldn’t be charged with libel. He showed he “did his research” and collected the stories, trying to construct a biography.
Now, I’ve personally have been hitting Seutoniys hard, he clearly made some of it up, or at least wasn’t scrupulous.
When you produce a biography of someone, it has to be written in fact… you need to be prepared to show how you reasonably believe someone did each and everything you proposed, by proof or reasonably strong logic. I can do this, but I at the same time know I must.
A biography is both history as well as psychology. When you present a abstracted idea of psychology from pure literature, you need to show how that fits in with similar men from biographies… or show operationally in the mind your theory of what is actually occurring.
The reason why is, they need to be able to analyse it, to see the nature of the criticism and satire if present, if not, to understand what is being said. We possess legal immunities (yes we do Magsj) for pointing this out. Its constitutionally guaranteed… but it still effects the individual. If they can’t detect a reasonable point, argument, or position, you can lose your claim to immunity in a civil suit. So you really gotta try to make your psychological theories fit the boring, mundane human brain, when using real people. Biographies work, biological hypothosis, etc. Something your peers can use to deconstruct.
That is the legal hurdle we all have to pass. If the thread is locked prematurely, the moderator and site owner is a legitimate target for a lawsuit, because this site prohibits legitimate further clarification within the thread on a answer and reply basis… allowing you to make retractions and clarifications, despite the site being set up to allow for it. Its based on a bad legal theory Carleas cooked up, claiming he owns the copyright to what you write, and he can do whatever he wants with your posts. He has some rights, but his claim to copyright ownership is bullshit… but if anyone has a claim against anyone else, lawsuit has to be aimed at the copyright owner.
When a newspaper writes something wrong, the author isn’t sued, it’s the newspaper. Carleas is trying to upsurp his ownership of our writings, so he is the target. However… because his “contract” is almost certainly unenforceable in a court, your going to be held liable in a second suit.
There us a learning curve to philosophy, especially psychological concepts. Though the law doesn’t accept ignorance of the law as a excuse, I’ve given you fair warning. I’m very accepting of being used myself as a Guinea Pig, for as many cases of Turd Ferguson you can come up with, it’s very important to writing good philosophy to be able to develop the skill set to analyse the motivations of a philosopher, behind the theory, to explain the theory. This forum isn’t too different from a classroom in this regard. A lot of mistakes by default will be made.
Its important for people to distance themselves from reading their “cases”… it’s the first time many guts on this forum have undertaken this level of critique. If they say something wrong, correct them. Is it potentially painful and embarrassing? Hopefully… it’s sorta the point, we’ve been doing it this way for a few thousand years, it’s one of the fastest ways to lock theories in combat. A lot it point on the line, seems threatening. Thats philosophy. If your looking for peace and mysticism, go build a grass hut hermitage in the forest. Otherwise, be prepared for others to openly challenge you and your ideas. You will find oftentimes, they get stuff wrong in their discussions, you can correct them.
The current equivalency to this process is Zizek and Chomsky knocking heads, criticizing and bad mouthing one another. We as a society don’t moderate it (hint magsj) so they constantly adjust their explanations of one another, this will go on for months to years longer. It clarifies their philosophical positions, and their way of clarifying each attack and defence keeps them in the protected, constitutional clear.
It would be deeply wrong if Google or YouTube suddenly shut down one side of the debate because Chomsky or Zizek got sand in their clit and didn’t like what the other was saying, and cried for big brother to put a end to it.
Its only when your blantedly lying, for arguing in pure fantasy that it becomes wrong. Literary characters can be used, but it has to become concrete eventually, as soon as you plausably can. You can lodge unlimited, upsetting criticism of a person and their ideas. You can link their actions up to Satire, such as explaining how Magsj is a member of the necromongers, or I am this transsexual AI your claiming I am, but a sembalance to reality is expected if it is a large work. 100 posts on a subject is equivelent to a large work. A single political drawling bordering on surrealism is up to infinate interpretation, and is not.
If I’m not around in the future, you Trixie, will have to point this out to the new guys. I was taught it, and I’m teaching you. You get to teach it next. I recommend growing a thicker skin, your going to be a natural target, especially since you start so much yourself. Its the feelers, quick to taking pain from comments, you gotta baby a bit… no, they gave absolutely no rights or protections to preserving their self image in philosophy, but you don’t gave to utterly destroy them all at once either. Ethically, you do it piecemeal, to the degree they can accept it, digest it, and grow. I wouldn’t collapse their whole world around them, even though I can… I see no benefits to them in the long term making them go fetal position. Your completely allowed to, but I recommend in good faith to the traditions of the best in philosophy, don’t. Let them regain their balance and bearings a bit. Somebody like me can take it a lot harder than I’ve been given it. I could of hit Erik much harder, or Cazar, even Sauwelios, but I meter it out over time, back off, give them breathing room, time to adapt, reformulate, etc. Why? It gives them time to redevelop their ideas, their sense of me, makes potentially for a better second round. Its how I approach things on a personal level.
theguardian.com/commentisfre … -ding-dong
One of a billion links to Chomsky vs Zizek. Strongly recommend Magsj watch some of their videos. A few of the forum members may be doing this mainstream within a few decades, best to get the bugs out now, learn the limits and the ropes now. And seriously, you shut down a thread too soon, and what is written is misconstrued, Magsj and Carleas is who gets sued from how they control this site, and Carleas false claim to copyright holdings of everyone’s writings (he so doesn’t own my words, I’ve pointed this out so many times, No has, Highland waters has… fucking period, but hey, he wants to claim it, there are repercussions).