best music or video you have ever seen abd why?

[Helandhighwater]

Just... I am a black guy and I like this, I don't like it just because I is black. I like it just because I am human.

Watch it and see what I mean.

[Chakra Superstar]

Insert obvious joke here

Watching grown men cry is I think a little bit what's the word? Ghey? Or is that gay?

Is that what you got from the video? Really?

At first, you see several people crying, some of them hysterically. Then, towards the end of the video, you see that that they are crying for the stupidest reasons possible. One has a stain on a shirt, another one is crying because his his sports team is loosing, the other guy is crying because his groceries bag fell to the ground and there's also a support group in the middle of all this. Pretty interesting statement about how we allow the little things to affects us.

I didn’t see it like that at all. Yes, the little things made the men break down, but why?

I see a whole lot of guys who have broken up, separated or divorced.
I see a whole lot of guys barely holding it together and when the slightest thing goes wrong they come undone.

I see guys trying to do the shopping and ironing and can’t even do that right.
I see guys trying to keep themselves occupied with fixing things or watching football but in their fragile state even the distractions backfire.

Some of the song lyrics are
‘every minute alone, every day spent at home...
every point of return, every thought and concern...
every moment that passes, every piece of my heart....
every hour of doubt, try to figure it out....
should i call you up?..."

That sounds like a break up to me....

PS A lot of great music comes out of Scandinavia.

[Helandhighwater]

So much great music comes out of everywhere. The sad thing is most people have the internet and don't really hear it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V25iA2XPzuA&feature=related[/youtube]

Where rock came from. Does it send it a birthday card, does it care. No.

[Helandhighwater]

I think the influence is clear.

[volchok]

Good point Chakra Superstar!

I guess it's about how even the little things can affect us once we are in a fragile state, like after a break up.

[Helandhighwater]

From the Lion King II.





Fact is most morons think music only comes from one or two nations, they are morons because they have such narrow taste that they are from another planet of stupidity when it comes to music. Real musicians however draw their influence from the planet, (all the best bands did and do) they are probably wasting their time, because the planet consists to most people of one or two nations in their tiny little bubble.

Most idiots couldn't even dispute why this is inappropriate let alone know anything about music.

[Helandhighwater]

Ok spamming a little again. But I hope you guessed my name?

Sorry I am a drummer, I like sublime drums, and I wish I could do that... Still learning. kinda on this level and going OMFG, the next level is probably Led Zepplin's or Metallica's (God rest his soul) drummer or something.

Phill Collins was good, pity about the Genesis thing.



Get out of town you can't do that, can you?

How'd you learn to do the things you do? Cause nobody does it better.

[Chakra Superstar]

Good point Chakra Superstar!

I guess it's about how even the little things can affect us once we are in a fragile state, like after a break up.

Yep. Good idea for a video, anyway.

[Chakra Superstar]

Sorry I am a drummer, I like sublime drums, and I wish I could do that... Still learning. kinda on this level and going OMFG, the next level is probably Led Zepplin's or Metallica's (God rest his soul) drummer or something.

Cool. Are you serious or is it a hobby?

I saw Bonham live (when he was ) and the last part of Moby Dick he did with his hands. I haven't come across him doing that on the net yet so I'm beginning to think he may have dropped a stick and was so off his face he continued without them. In the end he reached down and got another pair but I bet his hands were fucked

[Chakra Superstar]

This is one of the most beautiful music videos I’ve seen and yet, it’s one of the most disturbing.

To me, it portends the coming transhuman future where robots appear to be almost human and where humans become so ‘enhanced’ with artificial body parts, chips and pharmaceuticals, we become little more than robots. It's the combination of the awe inspiring beauty and soulless artificiality that gives me the creeps.

[Tab]

To me, it portends the coming transhuman future where robots appear to be almost human and where humans become so ‘enhanced’ with artificial body parts, chips and pharmaceuticals, we become little more than robots. It's the combination of the awe inspiring beauty and soulless artificiality that gives me the creeps.

Why is it I get the feeling that in a galaxy far, far away there are two robots having the conversation: "...it portends to the coming transmechanic future where organics appear to be almost robots and where robots have become so ‘enhanced’ with organic body parts, neurones and hormones, they become little more than fleshbags."

I never get this. Is a guy with a prosthetic leg and google on his i-phone somehow any less human..?

[Helandhighwater]

Sorry I am a drummer, I like sublime drums, and I wish I could do that... Still learning. kinda on this level and going OMFG, the next level is probably Led Zepplin's or Metallica's (God rest his soul) drummer or something.

Cool. Are you serious or is it a hobby?

I saw Bonham live (when he was ) and the last part of Moby Dick he did with his hands. I haven't come across him doing that on the net yet so I'm beginning to think he may have dropped a stick and was so off his face he continued without them. In the end he reached down and got another pair but I bet his hands were fucked

Just for fun really, so serious but not that serious.

And lol, I bet.

Incidentally your all is full of love thing no longer works as some soulless corporate robot has stolen it.



Try this link.

[Chakra Superstar]

To me, it portends the coming transhuman future where robots appear to be almost human and where humans become so ‘enhanced’ with artificial body parts, chips and pharmaceuticals, we become little more than robots. It's the combination of the awe inspiring beauty and soulless artificiality that gives me the creeps.

I never get this. Is a guy with a prosthetic leg and google on his i-phone somehow any less human..?

Tab, tell me where I said -- or even suggested -- “a guy with a prosthetic leg and google on his iphone is less human”?

Not only do I not believe he is less human but I don’t think a person who has had most of his body replaced with artificial limbs and organs and using enhancement like reading glasses, hearing aids or a voice box is less human, either. The technologies used in these examples are used to rectify something the person has lost or never had. This technology actually helps the person look and feel more human. I applaud using technology like this.

What freaks me out is genetically-enhanced designer babies. What freaks me out is the nano biotech industry which wants to infuse our blood stream and brain with little bots that they can program to do as they wish. What freaks me out is the ideas put forward by Goertzel about putting receivers in our head and downloading info directly into our brains to make us 'smarter'. What freaks me out is Kurzweil's idea of impregnating self replicating nanobots into every thing on the planet (it's easier than it sounds) and turning the planet into a giant computer or virtual reality set someone, somewhere controls. What freaks me out are other mad scientists say that "the human race will split into two separate species.. an attractive, intelligent ruling elite and an underclass of dim-witted creatures" and that this is not just likely, but inevitable. What freaks me out is that nobody is asking us whether this is what we want for our world or whether a person who thinks like a computer and is emotionally lobotomised so that he's always happy is what the human race should aim at becoming.

Technology is not the problem. The problem is that technology is being pushed on us from all directions by people whose only aims are power, control and money rather than to serve humanity.




PS: Thanks helandhighwater

[Tab]

We have an argument..!

Back when the kids are asleep.

[volchok]

Tab, tell me where I said -- or even suggested -- “a guy with a prosthetic leg and google on his iphone is less human”?

Not only do I not believe he is less human but I don’t think a person who has had most of his body replaced with artificial limbs and organs and using enhancement like reading glasses, hearing aids or a voice box is less human, either. The technologies used in these examples are used to rectify something the person has lost or never had. This technology actually helps the person look and feel more human. I applaud using technology like this.

What freaks me out is genetically-enhanced designer babies. What freaks me out is the nano biotech industry which wants to infuse our blood stream and brain with little bots that they can program to do as they wish. What freaks me out is the ideas put forward by Goertzel about putting receivers in our head and downloading info directly into our brains to make us 'smarter'. What freaks me out is Kurzweil's idea of impregnating self replicating nanobots into every thing on the planet (it's easier than it sounds) and turning the planet into a giant computer or virtual reality set someone, somewhere controls. What freaks me out are other mad scientists say that "the human race will split into two separate species.. an attractive, intelligent ruling elite and an underclass of dim-witted creatures" and that this is not just likely, but inevitable. What freaks me out is that nobody is asking us whether this is what we want for our world or whether a person who thinks like a computer and is emotionally lobotomised so that he's always happy is what the human race should aim at becoming.

Technology is not the problem. The problem is that technology is being pushed on us from all directions by people whose only aims are power, control and money rather than to serve humanity.

Valid points.

[Tab]

Hokay Chakra.

To me, it portends the coming transhuman future where robots appear to be almost human and where humans become so ‘enhanced’ with artificial body parts, chips and pharmaceuticals, we become little more than robots. It's the combination of the awe inspiring beauty and soulless artificiality that gives me the creeps.

I never get this. Is a guy with a prosthetic leg and google on his i-phone somehow any less human..?

Tab, tell me where I said -- or even suggested -- “a guy with a prosthetic leg and google on his iphone is less human”?

It was the "little more than robots" line, which has negative connotations, coming after "enhanced with artificial body parts"

Not only do I not believe he is less human but I don’t think a person who has had most of his body replaced with artificial limbs and organs and using enhancement like reading glasses, hearing aids or a voice box is less human, either. The technologies used in these examples are used to rectify something the person has lost or never had. This technology actually helps the person look and feel more human. I applaud using technology like this.

The "lost or never had" coupled with the final "look and feel more human" to me kinda sounds like you are equating a state of 'being human' with a list of abilities. To walk is human. To see clearly is human. To hear, to speak, is human. etc. And if a list of abilities is all it means to be human then well, we are getting more human all the time...

I mean, compare us now, in literate land, with Gug the cave man who could neither read nor write. Being able to do both, I'm then more human than Gug..?

What freaks me out is genetically-enhanced designer babies.

Then why haven't the nutritionally enhanced babies of the last century or so freaked you out..? I mean - go into some ye-oldy-worldly village from yesteryear and look at the height of the doorways..? They were all fucking midgets compared to us.

What freaks me out is the nano biotech industry which wants to infuse our blood stream and brain with little bots that they can program to do as they wish. What freaks me out is the ideas put forward by Goertzel about putting receivers in our head and downloading info directly into our brains to make us 'smarter'.

Learning to read and write involves if you like "programming the brain". What's the difference really, between spending a year or two at primary school learning to read, and downloading the skill straight from the future-net in a couple of minutes..? Both, to work, involve changing the structure and number of connections in our brains - Associating specific recurrent and consistant shapes with already present sequences of sounds. Both make us 'smarter' if smarter is reading books.

What freaks me out is Kurzweil's idea of impregnating self replicating nanobots into every thing on the planet (it's easier than it sounds) and turning the planet into a giant computer or virtual reality set someone, somewhere controls.

To be honest, a whole bunch of people on this planet lead really shitty lives. Monotonous, no escape, no choice to be other than they were condemned to be at birth, with no possibility of the system binding them changing within their lifetimes. If a perfectly realised, perceptionally indistinguishable from reality, consistant virtual world, with the possibilty of a more diverse choice-tree could be built - and made freely available - then great, a big ball of anguish the size of Africa suddenly evapourates. In the Matrix, I always thought Morpheus and Co. were the stupid ones.

What freaks me out are other mad scientists say that "the human race will split into two separate species.. an attractive, intelligent ruling elite and an underclass of dim-witted creatures" and that this is not just likely, but inevitable.

And we don't already have that..? Right now..?

What freaks me out is that nobody is asking us whether this is what we want for our world or whether a person who thinks like a computer and is emotionally lobotomised so that he's always happy is what the human race should aim at becoming.

I think you underestimate how hard happiness is to manufacture. Heroin makes you happy, but you always have to up the dose.

Technology is not the problem. The problem is that technology is being pushed on us from all directions by people whose only aims are power, control and money rather than to serve humanity.

Pff. That's always been the deal. Convenience vs. control. And yet the Amish still exist. We adopt most technology for the same reason we adopt anything, to stay competitive.

[Helandhighwater]

Humanity and prospehtics are a tricky subject. I think any addition to a person only really makes them less human if it changes the way they behave, makes the perhaps more cold or less x or whatever, or in gaining additions to their structure it changes the demeanour and personality or outlook of a person, such as people notice a distinct change in the persons character. We wouldn't say someone who has false legs is less human, but we might say someone who's entire body is not biological had become somewhat less than human, because there is no way such a major restructuring could not affect the person unless said restructuring precisely mimicked human function, and even then I would have some doubt.

I suppose Cyberpunk stuff has it right, the more you have replaced the less human you become. When your entire bio mechanical make up is run artificially it's hard to see you are or could be the person you were, you now are something else.


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This lady has so much soul. They say suffering is good for the soul, that one must suffer for your art, hell there has to be some compensation for, well hell.

Simple music played simply perfectly.

[xzc]

untab

I'm secretly a geek.

[Helandhighwater]

More goodly troth form the monger of music and video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4o8TeqK ... re=related



Just love both these songs for very different reasons. That guy I heard an interview with on Radio 1, he said one producer claimed he was just nothing, just pop that had all been done before, what did he have to offer. I think what he had to offer was obvious, you dumb idiot. He had a hit single and talent. It's not quite turning down the Beatles but you do despair of the short sightedness of the people who "make" music, often they couldn't see their arse from their elbow or know good music, which is why they are producers not musicians.

The story itself was worth my time. David Grey was another artist who got turned down, formed his own studio in his house and had a platinum album. Sometimes I doubt if people who pick artists are even qualified to pick their own nose? Thank God you can now make it on the web alone and bypass the industry, cause those guys are on the button a lot, but miss so much:

For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wGMlSuX_c

[Helandhighwater]

Amazing drums, and how Phil Collins can play drums that well in an ape suit is just, well sublime.

k being serious though why I respect drumming that is that good.

this is kinda like awesome.



502 dicks on the planet you would not spend half a day with though.

[Gobbo]

You might have to be from North America to get this one.


You don't have to be from anywhere to get this one.

[Gobbo]

Canada.

[Gobbo]

A bunch of bands have admitted they want to cover this, but they can't because the bass is too hard.

[Gobbo]

[Gobbo]