2012 End of world or mexico?

[Contra-Nietzsche]

So.... I see from the news the Volcano in Mexico City is gonna burst. So.... this is gonna be a really Cinco de Mayo there.....

Do you think 2012 could just signify the end of Mexico? Is that the reason my Mexican refugees keep hurdling themselves over the fence?

[Stoic Guardian]

Your mexican Refugees?

Also are there many Mexicans Jumpin the fence over in Hawaii?

[Contra-Nietzsche]

Yes.... I saw three. They speak spanish. The chinese no like them. They go to my Church. The word 'my' was a accident..... I deleted a line half way and left it by accident.

[Stoic Guardian]

Well maybe if enough of them go over there the old chinese ladies will start sneering at them and stop sneering at you.

[Contra-Nietzsche]

I am opposed to slave labor. Its sick to see white people exploit them to paint their 180,000 homes.

I support keeping all the refugees on slab cities, on condition they accept american education 2 hours a night, and half of what they make goes into a government controlled savings account..... with national guard like infantry training.... and a aggreement with the military mayor of the slab city to be returned to mexico with their community inmass, slab city after slab city, phased into reconquered northern territories in a autonomous northern buffer state. They can use their saving to rebuild their lives, education for lifestyle and ties to one another for the basis of a new class identity. Each border region gets as many as needed to hold it down. New roads funded by US tax dollars, aimed at strengthening trade laterally between them and north to break the crude mass beijing style centralization in mexico city.

And they have to eat streaks, potatoes, and corn on the cobb. No more of this cuisine that stunts your growth. Need some bovine hormones pumping through their veins like real men. They can keep everything else, inclyding rejoining Mexico completely. They got problems, this will fix it.

[Flannel Jesus]

I am opposed to slave labor. Its sick to see white people exploit them to paint their 180,000 homes.

That's the whole reason they jumped the border, don't you get that? They jumped the border because they weren't being exploited enough -- ie they were probably unemployed. They want nothing more than to be exploited. They jump the border precisely to be exploited. That's what they want.

I don't understand the relationship between two people making a mutually beneficial voluntary deal and "slave labor". You people totally debase the word "slave".

[MagsJ]

Well, we're nearly half way through 2012 and the only sign of any global catastrophe is the freak weather conditions we've been experiencing.

[Contra-Nietzsche]

Flannel.... the problem is the relation of foriegn workers completely undercutting the local labor force, spuring inflation while limiting taxation, while increasing poverty and government liabilities. If you cut off regions of the economy to them, they flood elsewhere. The core of evil are the slave pens in the SF area..... I know of other regions, but SF is the one I documented. SF has 10,000 homeless, with alot underemployed well above that. Rich people need someone to paint, they head to the mexican and pay them shit.... the money is largely lost to the economy then. It keeps us poor, and makes mexico deranged as families are torn apart to make quick foriegn cash. Means their economy is always carrot based, never settled, migratory without developing community based ethics or skills needed for economic growth.

One of the worst things you can do to a mexican is employ him under the table. Its like feeding feral cats in the woods out of pity. Yes, the cat does want the food..... and you might get some reward yourself out of it.... but they will produce more and more and more miserable feral cats. In the end, instead of having a strong few, you have a overflowing popping up everywhere, becomming roadkill. Vets and crematoriums will be employed full time euthanizing or sufficating them, then burning them. Their sufferings will be horrifying, all because some yuppie had to feed the cats.

In our case. our poor lose out, and the mexicans remain stagnant. Without a munincipal basis, gangs and warlords have moved in to fill that need.

If we employed our own, and only our own, we would see where our gaps lie. We could have controlled and assured work visas at a decent pay.... just as alaskan fidheries must import workers from the mainland.... it will add relief and sustainability to the mexican families, and be a firm foundation for their banks to act on. The current system is cruel and evil, and opening the floodgates with that mayhem now impossible in regards to open borders. We need to move rapidly to crush the nuts of any home owner trying to get a cheap mexican helping hand, and business employing them, etc. Legally, were stuck with the slab city scenetio of controlled employment till the bulk can be returned. Better to return competent and educated workers.... a sudden middle class, to mexico than peasants. Especially if theyve been forced to save 5000-20000 dollars while waiting. It would utterly shatter the old systems with those billions of dollars running through it, reorganizing mexico into a functioning state. The gangs will try to exploit thism hence the need for military incursions to let them know we dont fucking care whats going on in their crazy little heads, were not respinding or acknowledging you, lay down arms, or head south into federal lands, or die.

Its extreme, but your point of saying why you dont understand why it matters is the exact resulting reason why its that way..... cause we never cared to understand in the past. We choose to ignore the situation and blame everything save ourselves and human nature. We caused this mess, this free high, good feeling approach to economics with such a backwards foreign party has been utterly, utterly cruel to them, and poorly though out in regards to ourselves.

[James L Walker]

To Contra:

I am tired of western civilization being bombarded by immigrating foreigners and globalism. These foreigners need to learn how to handle their own affairs inside their own nations of origins instead of crying towards us.

We are under no obligation to take in huge numbers of foreigners and refugees on a yearly basis.

If it was up to me immigration would be turned off seventy five years completely with the borders sealed off. Foreigners depreciate wages and living standards for domestic indigenous workers also by their usage of cheap labor. Fuck them wherever they come from. They are a increasing problem. I refuse them sympathy and I am outraged at them for taking advantage of our nations. Many domestic indigenous workers remain unemployed because of them.

Taking Flannel's position I would put a halt to exploitive corporations abroad also rejecting companies or businesses that outsource overseas any existence at all to do business with. That right there might stabilize things globally where people would stay put in their own nations of origin cutting global immigration near zero.

[Stoic Guardian]

Sounds like your gonna have to make a choice down the road between anarchism and Tribalism. I would of said Nationalism but I don't hear you singing Americas praises often.

[James L Walker]

Sounds like your gonna have to make a choice down the road between anarchism and Tribalism. I would of said Nationalism but I don't hear you singing Americas praises often.

In my dreams anarchist ethnic tribal nations are ideal.

[Stoic Guardian]

But how could you impose this ideal without imposing your will on peoples autonomy? Therefore rejecting anarchism.

[Flannel Jesus]

These foreigners need to learn how to handle their own affairs inside their own nations of origins instead of crying towards us.

You're not an anarchist. I mean, I knew that before already, but now I know it even more. You can't actually believe in borders this much AND legitimately call yourself an anarchist. Saying "I'm an anarchist, but I think national borders have to be respected" is like saying "I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in Jesus or God." It's about the most un-anarchistic thing you can actually believe, Joker.

[Stoic Guardian]

Even though your statment kind of supports what I was attesting I should say that there are indeed "Atheist Christians".

[Flannel Jesus]

Well sure, and there's also something called "Military Intelligence" and "Jumbo Shrimp"

[Stoic Guardian]

Ugh, don't use that routine on me buddy.

[James L Walker]

These foreigners need to learn how to handle their own affairs inside their own nations of origins instead of crying towards us.

You're not an anarchist. I mean, I knew that before already, but now I know it even more. You can't actually believe in borders this much AND legitimately call yourself an anarchist. Saying "I'm an anarchist, but I think national borders have to be respected" is like saying "I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in Jesus or God." It's about the most un-anarchistic thing you can actually believe, Joker.

Are you saying territoriality would not exist under anarchy?

That is all borders really are. Established territories.

I am certain territoriality would still exist in anarchy.

I see no contradiction of what I have said.

[James L Walker]

But how could you impose this ideal without imposing your will on peoples autonomy? Therefore rejecting anarchism.

Get enough people together that believes the same and they will enforce it together without intervention of so called government.

Take a community of anarchists for example. They may not like foreigners coming into their territory where they would be inclined to volunteer working together in rooting them out.

[Flannel Jesus]

These foreigners need to learn how to handle their own affairs inside their own nations of origins instead of crying towards us.

You're not an anarchist. I mean, I knew that before already, but now I know it even more. You can't actually believe in borders this much AND legitimately call yourself an anarchist. Saying "I'm an anarchist, but I think national borders have to be respected" is like saying "I'm a Christian, but I don't believe in Jesus or God." It's about the most un-anarchistic thing you can actually believe, Joker.

Are you saying territoriality would not exist under anarchy?

National territory? Yes, I'm saying national territory is incompatible with anarchy.

[James L Walker]

Flannel:

National territory? Yes, I'm saying national territory is incompatible with anarchy.

It may not even be national. For instance a nation could be split into several micro territories at some point.

At what point is there a difference between miniature micro territories and nations?

Is it size or landmass?

Maybe two different operated territories work together in what they perceive to be their national territory. A nice example would be many different autonomous tribes uniting against military invasion using ancient Gaul against Roman aggression for instance.

In that example there was no centralized government but instead individual autonomous tribal regions working together in what they saw as their cultural borders.

[butterboy]

Good question, their entire world was Mexico, so is it possible that by world they mean Mexico ? You raise a proper question here.
update: wrote an article on this here http://theorderoftheironphoenix.com/wp/will-the-end-of-the-world-simply-be-the-end-of-mexico