Existence and Nonexistence

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Re: Existence and Nonexistence

Postby encode_decode » Sun Aug 13, 2017 8:55 pm

I also kind of messed my example up to begin with, I am working on it.

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We have two variables: A & B

B is in the initial state of PtA = Zero

A contains, well, lets say two - it whacks B with two.

B is now in a state of PtA = two, as a consequence of being whacked by A

B goes on to affect C and C goes on to affect D et cetera - it is all linear at this point. However we are talking about a 3D space so to provide an example for that is a little bit more time consuming.
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But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning, which is to say there is always meaning.(gib - 2017)
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Re: Existence and Nonexistence

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:17 pm

I only said random due to our predicted outcomes being off for no explainable reason (Think of Star Trek's Spock giving the odds in percentages of something going as expected or not as expected, outcome probabilities). Random may be merely a poor or small perspective.
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Re: Existence and Nonexistence

Postby encode_decode » Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:48 pm

WendyDarling wrote:I only said random due to our predicted outcomes being off for no explainable reason (Think of Star Trek's Spock giving the odds in percentages of something going as expected or not as expected, outcome probabilities). Random may be merely a poor or small perspective.

Random is useful in talking about things - especially when we have to begin an example. Predicted outcomes would be off through lack of precision I imagine. Probabilities are also useful but only to make good guesses. Does GOD really throw dice?
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Re: Existence and Nonexistence

Postby James S Saint » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:01 pm

encode_decode wrote:
    James

    Let me see if I have this right - because this would appear to be an important piece of missing information to me.

    James S Saint wrote:Energy is the consequential state (aka "PtA", Potential-to-Affect).

    Consequential indicates following as a result or effect. So you are therefore saying that the PtA has to be built up first before it can affect.

    PtA would have to be "built up first" if you started with nothingness. But guess what ...

    PtA precedes Affectance, but also affect precedes PtA. They have both always existed and eternally cause the other. There was no "first".
    encode_decode wrote:We have two variables: A & B

    B is the initial state of PtA and is Zero

    PtA is never zero. That would be the state of nonexistence, nothingness - a fantasy.

    WendyDarling wrote:If you combined what I mentioned as PtA existence, then added the PtA domino effect, wouldn't that be a double layered eventuality accounting for unforeseen affects, what some call random or chaotic results?

    How "unforeseen" depends upon who is seeing. But the complexity does increase to the point of unpredictability. Information retention and utility is always limited.
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    WendyDarling wrote:I only said random due to our predicted outcomes being off for no explainable reason (Think of Star Trek's Spock giving the odds in percentages of something going as expected or not as expected, outcome probabilities). Random may be merely a poor or small perspective.


    encode_decode wrote:Does GOD really throw dice?

    Absolutely not. Only creatures gamble.
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    Re: Existence and Nonexistence

    Postby encode_decode » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:08 pm

      James

      Man I am already aware of the ZERO thing - as I stated in Reality 0.1 - Let us break a rule and use infinite homogeneity as a convenience.

      James S Saint wrote:
      encode_decode wrote:
        James

        Let me see if I have this right - because this would appear to be an important piece of missing information to me.

        James S Saint wrote:Energy is the consequential state (aka "PtA", Potential-to-Affect).

        Consequential indicates following as a result or effect. So you are therefore saying that the PtA has to be built up first before it can affect.

        PtA would have to be "built up first" if you started with nothingness. But guess what ...

        PtA precedes Affectance, but also affect precedes PtA. They have both always existed and eternally cause the other. There was no "first".

        That is right.

        James S Saint wrote:
        encode_decode wrote:We have two variables: A & B

        B is the initial state of PtA and is Zero

        PtA is never zero. That would be the state of nonexistence, nothingness - a fantasy.

        Yup. Because anything without physical affect cannot physically exist.

        James S Saint wrote:
        encode_decode wrote:Does GOD really throw dice?

        Absolutely not. Only creatures gamble.

        That is exactly what I was going for . . .

        I broke the rule and used infinite homogeneity as a convenience. There cannot not be ZERO outcomes - when there is ZERO - infinity outcomes are plausible and we know that is not the case - so to start with one outcome less than infinity is more plausible and we know with the universe there are even more outcomes than that.

        Localized outcomes.
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        But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning, which is to say there is always meaning.(gib - 2017)
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