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If the law didn’t forbid it, they might be trying out alternative projects, new styles of social economics.
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Some follow the philosophy of ethical hedonism.
Some sublimate their sexual energy.
Some practice the art of celibacy.
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Have you consciously entertained any one of these philosophical disciplines?
How has sexual energy affected your philosophical pursuits?
Have you experienced any notable results in the field of sex and philosophy that could help any fellow members?
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RE: SEX & Philosophy [NSFW]
I found one of the greatest philosophical insights one night that I had shitty sex with a distasteful hooker, and still the next day the reality of the world itself was replenished.
As a more or less celibate person in general, I notice that sex falls into the category of freedom of approach, the freedom to act as one wants. It certainly thus negates the freedom of distance, the freedom to choose what one wants. Of course, choice is always bound in deeper instinct, the freedom of distance more recognizes and remembers than acts.
In other words, people that don’t get laid are free and intellectually superior, while people that get laid are pussy whipped and 10x the people for it.
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At bottom there is one type of energy, and where this does not release sexually, it needs to be released otherwise. The saying: “an intellectual is someone who has found something more interesting than sex” carries truth, but this appears fair to me only in the case where sex is at least partially exhausted in its interestingness, where it is known to a certain depth. In all other cases, the pursuit of sex needs to accompany philosophy - I have no respect for the attitude that justifies celibacy because it forces energy into the mind. This would deprive the pupil (that’s what I consider a ‘real’ man or woman to be - a pupil of life) of experiences such as the one named by Pezer, but also others, endless others.
When sex becomes ideationally exhausted, we get perversion, reliance on fetishes, ‘imaginative approaches to the deed’. Only an intellectually incapable mind can fall in this trap, as indeed sex itself is not an ideational realm, recognizing its roots in the primitive should be enough to understand this. Sexual energy however can be used, even if driven up as sex-force - base eros - to drill into fields of ideational potency, the creative mind, imagining facility. Sexual desire and philosophy are consecutive stages. And indeed it follows that the greatest philosophers were all more or less celibate. Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, Kierkegaard, Kant and also that Socrates, for whom sex was a normal daily business, was a relatively empty philosopher.
The crux however to me is that where sex is near, philosophy is most powerful. Wherever the possibility of fulfilling the potency is imagined, seen, with a good degree of vivacity, the poetic instincts in the philosopher really merge with the practical deep-chest-breathing that belongs to the real world.
The ‘real’ question, for a pupil of life, is: How does sexual energy transmute into thought? To ask this without the assertion ‘sex deprives of ideas’ is perhaps difficult, as the pain of facing an incapacity to get laid can be a strain on the thinking process and a threat to its honesty - so there is only one solution - hunt.
See mans powerdrive as two hounds - one lust, the other ambition. The intellectual is able to sublimate ambition into curiosity (the ambition of the mind) and the lover is able to sublimate lust into ‘style’ - cultural sophistication. The two meet in what is known as human power – wherever humans have exerted, displayed (Schopenhauers Will and Imagination) historical power, they have managed to both consummate and sublimate sexual urge. Life becomes a celebration of itself – and in such a philosophical orgasm man created marriage, and probably several other great institutions of humanity - War perhaps being the primordial one.
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RE: SEX & Philosophy [NSFW]
A philosopher a man who transgresses himself. In order to do this he must harness the untamed passions, without compromising them, becoming “beast” but holding a perspective on truth. Then he breaks truth.
How does one harness untamed passions? A combination of skill and strength - how does one hold a perspective on truth? Fate – or metaphorically, blood (substance) and soil (circumstance).
Or, to speak with Machiavelli, “Virtù”.
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“Become yourself” means “know your virtue”.
Spinoza holds virtue as adequate knowledge, which he, in his tomfoolery, holds for equal to power. This can only be true if knowledge applies to “all that matters is the quantum of power that one is, all the rest is cowardice”.
Exact knowledge of power is adequate knowledge.
“Clarity concerning hopes and threats”.
Even in the most genius intellect, this knowledge is only partially abstractable to become communicable, reason. The other part is Quality.
Every formula (and our man’s formula is: “a goal and a straight line”) is a vessel for a variable. This can not be named, this can only be applied, this is what, if you’ll excuse my French, “comes out”… and “seeds” - I would like to have a cup of tea now, with Aleister Crowley and his bag of pharmaceuticals.
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RE: SEX & Philosophy [NSFW]
Bill,
You have been hypnotized into lusting to fuck white women… end of story.
You have no idea why or how and you never will… but it has nothing whatsoever to do with philosophy, merely genocide from people much smarter than you.
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For me, sex produces happiness and a calming and lowering of instinctual disharmony and tensions. Like opiates, but not as potent of course. The body recedes for a while so that the mind becomes more free to just exist.
Sex is philosophically interesting in so far as happiness and instinctual-pathological organization and disorganization are interesting. And like Pezer said, there is also a distance involved, a factor of dispassion vs. impassioned living, which distinctions can be rendered more palatable or at least noticeable through the lens of regular sex or a regular lack of sex.
And like any drug, sex can also become an addiction, which is also quite philosophically interesting in its own right, of course.
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That is true, but it evades the concept of energy as value-propery: Eros. There is much more to be said. Perhaps what I say makes uncomfortable, I felt I was touching on a rather significant truth, one that philosophy often avoids - hence its worldly impotence.
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That energy you mention is so intricately and deepy divided into separating flows, sub-flows and counter-flows; much had been built now upo the separateness of this divided substance. I do not see how you mean to reach a state of singularity here with respect to Eros itself, regardless of our theorizing as to its inherent structural-property value to self-valuing.
Like the idea of god, this view only serves to open and sustain a certain kind of vantage, a mode of experiential possibility and (re)organization. But the set up is already what it is, we tweak it here or there only in the interests of better serving the needs of this set up, what emerges from its many layers and orders of causality-affectation.
I guess I find little value in reifying things too far beyond the reality of their property and existence, even where this serves some noble end. To employ these images (eidos) requires a certain naïveté for they to be effective, a naïveté that for better or worse I seem incapable of sustaining.
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RE: SEX & Philosophy [NSFW]
JSS, I think it is moe fair to say that you have brainwashed yourself out of wanting to fuck pretty white girls. This is the sense in which sexual sublimation is weakness, one may fool onesself that one is bigger than sex.
It is like food and health nuts.
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No biggie but I’m having a little trouble in understanding the one post directed towards me:
You have been hypnotized into lusting to fuck white women… end of story.
You have no idea why or how and you never will… but it has nothing whatsoever to do with philosophy, merely genocide from people much smarter than you.
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Agreed.
I enjoyed it a lot, these spike docs are very good.
Humans need to believe in something…
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Sitting here in my eighteen year old truck parked on what the police call heroin alley. It’s a dark, damp morning.
I’m a dinosaur. I am old enough to remember three social wars in my country; the war on poverty, the war on crime, and the war on drugs. I need only step out of my vehicle and begin to walk in order to find out how these wars turned out.
Based upon the outcome of these social wars I got the feeling I know how our latest war, the war on terror is going to turn out.
Looking out over Martin Luther King Boulevard before I exit and walk to the last job in Cleveland, I remember a quote from the late, great Dr. Martin Luther King Junior, Everything that we see is a shadow cast by that which we do not see. Life-like figures emerging from the blackness, make their transactions, and then disappear back into the beautiful, sardonic park called Rockefeller.
The emerging blackness in our veins makes a transaction in our brain then disappears into the beautiful, sardonic park called high.
As I fall victim to the actors in this crossroads of wars I found myself in, I wonder, am I also the creator?
As we fall victim to the actors in the crossroads of wars we find ourselves in, I wonder, are we also the creator?
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My thesis for this thread: This video is extremely telling. Especially towards the end. This video defines characteristics that are similar to ALL religions. Interesting. Deceptively deeply interesting…
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Black history month represent.
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The same, but gone through a purification. We are living the death of the Allah zeitgeist, and the birth of the Science zeitgeist. Don’t you notice that there has been tnesion from moment 1 between these forces? No synthesis has been, or will be possible.
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Btw, well come.
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Thanks for the posts and welcome. I do like the idea of consciousness as the next zeitgeist. It appears to be a primary consideration in current science and philosophy.
I don’t think religion will go extinct. It seems to flourish in times of transition. In the West it has evolvedv from concepts of tribal dieties to deism, pantheism, panentheism, etc.
As for a science/religion synthesis, I believe it may be possible from a Spinozan POV; but, I’ve been told that Spinoza was actually an atheist.
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Religion and consciousness, as you smartly put it, are at odds. Science can seduce the religious man by providing its obvious power, but religion, faith, has as a pre-requisite that you believe without understanding. Lack of understanding, which was the genesis of both religion and science, in religion becomes also a goal, a point of pride. From this, I believe, it follows that the more science progresses, and with it, understanding, the less religion is possible.
In this sense, yes, many will turn to Gods, but they will be retrogrades tomorrow as a monarchist is today. They exist, but they are considered odd wackos and obviously stuck in the past.
Of course, this is more of a mission declaration than a prediction; while religion can flourish almost anywhere, science and purely human consciousness take an inordinate amount of effort and intent.
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Also, to make a more strictly Nietzschean point, specifically Christianity has a retarding effect on science, to alter its north and influence; not its outcome, but the very questions that lead to scientific investigation.
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If you want to be technical about it, philosophy came before religion, or at least what we know of as religion today. The genesis of philosophy gave genesis to its (ab)use at the hands of mythology, birthing religion. Ancient religions in the East were more philosophies than anything else, the less impure combination of philosophy and myth. Religion muddied the waters.
In terms of a fifth zeitgeist, there may not be one – man has more or less exhausted his ideation, and (pseudo)science is doing a nice job of mopping up whatever might be left. I think the most likely outcome is that most people will become (re)converted into religious orders, science will more fully abandon philosophy and become merely the unthinking servant of fascist techno-capitalist control. I honestly struggle to see how any sort of authentic spirit of science or philosophy can continue to survive long in this world.
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Fuck Marx, give me Kropotkin. The tragic spirit is the one that seeks victory even with the heart, even when it is denied one by appearances.
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Here’s a good essay on this very subject, Crisis of the Mind, on what might come to be called the final diffusion of culture, to speak with Valéry.
“We later civilizations . . . we too know that we are mortal.”
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We exist in a time that has been called the information age. We have split the atom and have sliced the gene. We have survived the death of the gods. We relegate truth to statistics.
All of this appears to have left a sore hole in erstwhile ideals that offer self-substantiation. Maybe there is no fifth zeiteist. Maybe we have to make do with the understandings we have.
IMHO,the evolution of a child replays evolution of our species (Piaget). The evoltion of the species replays the evolution of the child.
We seem to be in an age of transition.
I like Marx.
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I like Marx too, but I’m not in love with him. He doesn’t see, doesn’t allow for life outside of zeitgeist. Zeitgeist is a phenomenon like any other, with a cycle, beginnings and ends, it is a mortal phenomenon.
In the end, we do have control. What’s scary about that is that we then realize that there are people directly acting upon our abilities to control certain important aspects of our philosophical lives. Mainly, and usually ultimately, the State.
Why has language stopped evolving in its bones?
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It’s still evolving, the question is rather, toward what? I see small signs, glimpses into what is coming- a more real, more fucking real power of language, man. But the death of forms, good and bad, is what clears away the space for the forms of the future. We can try to discern the subtler trends and smallest bits that are swirling and spinning in the evolutionary soup of modern logos. Also, we can create our own language, which is what I’ve been doing for about a year now, so far with great success.
The next stage is almost here.
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RE: The Fifth Zeitgeist
Are we entering what Chardin called the noosphere?
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Nietzsche General
So that Law of Manu in Nietzsche is pretty interesting.
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Oh, yes…
It’s dynamite.
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It’s somewhat worth to keep in mind that Nietzsche’s source for the Law of Manu - some French douche - is thoroughly discredited nowadays. Nonetheless it’s much more important to note just what Nietzsche thought he found with it, namely the antithesis of Christianity. As codifications of ways of life they both preclude the possibility of new values, but whereas with Christianity we see the Chandala’s will to self-annihilation, in the caste systems we see an attempt at cultivating and perfecting multiple castes at once, all the while attempting to contain and eliminate the unwanted of the system. They both attempt to “improve” mankind, but one tames, makes man base, while the other elevates and ennobles. I’m of the opinion that you can read Nietzsche very literally when he speaks of a Christian will to nothingness, if you take him to believe, like the french douche Nietzsche read held, that the Chandala from the indian caste systems migrated and took with them - then further cultivated - the ethical prescriptions that were designed to contain and eliminate them in the first place.
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I’ve been curious to track down Nietzsche’s French douches since I read him. I think I’m going to hit a library soon.
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Read Aphorisms 1 and 2 of the second essay of the Genealogy of Morals and let me know what you think of the ‘sovereign individual’.
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What’s true?
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Nietzsche was a philosopher of today. It happened, we clicked. It is now possible to realize the world of ideation for what it is, the whole of metaphysics,
all of living as a community
can now be re-appropriated down to the most honest land of experience. We know now how much of it is bullshit. Perhaps we are planning new bullshit!
The sovereign individual is the individual that suddenly notices himself dancing to many other peoples’ tunes.
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I have no idea what you’re talking about. I think you’re trying too hard to be profound. It was a simple question.
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No question about Nietzsche is simple. In fact, that might be the only simple answer you get in the whole of Genealogy of Morals.
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Hmmm so true.
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'f you can’t stand the heat…
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Genealogy of Morals is a brick of dynamite. The fuse is reading it the whole way through, without wanting to be better than truth.
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3deep5me
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You like to keep score?
I guess someone should… Though, in general, it is those who love battle that loose count first.
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Freedom from the Trap
Sun Tzu warned about leaving the enemy with no means of escape. The system has learned that, all systems have learned that a trap overcome is many-fold more transformingly powerful than a trap barely escaped.
So you are stuck facing integration to the system or ruin? No escape at all?
Let your fear of death focus into a beam. In evolution theory, we call this an addaptive pressure. It’s a source of power about X% of the time for those who approach it blindly, 100% for those who approach it with seeing eyes.
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I like this.
It’s true. Sometimes I am surprised by my motivation to do certain things, but then I realize that while I am fairly calm day-to-day, I am frantically trying to escape this thing.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
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RE: Freedom from the Trap
I think it’s a measure of how much fun you were able to have and to what degrees as a kid. You learn power through fun, and I would extend fun to anything absorbing.
If you built up certain power, to then have it stiffled is a form of death. The very essence, almost, btw, of the christian dogma. To use it to escape the trap in a way not yet learned… Well, now that’s there what we do call evolution.
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03-22-2013, 11:58 AM (This post was last modified: 03-22-2013 11:58 AM by pezer.) Post: #4
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RE: Freedom from the Trap
Yet I call even for more. I call for no escape.
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03-22-2013, 11:59 AM Post: #5
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RE: Freedom from the Trap
Or, rather, I am suggesting there is none.
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03-22-2013, 11:59 AM (This post was last modified: 03-22-2013 12:00 PM by pezer.) Post: #6
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RE: Freedom from the Trap
I am saying that in certain doom lies the ultimate optimism.
Ghost Town
It’s sort of funny coming here now that it’s a ghost town.
Hellooooo ooooo o
haha. All right time to do some work.
Also, I made my Pentad post for those that concerns.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
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06-25-2013, 01:53 PM Post: #2
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RE: Ghost Town
Something else is interesting:
Be careful of what you say. That is, I made an offhand remark about advertising, and now it has taken on a goliath life of its own. Pezer has literally run off to some South American gulag or something.
These things are highly fascinating to me. Perhaps that is why I make offhand remarks.
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How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
06-29-2013, 09:02 PM (This post was last modified: 06-29-2013 09:07 PM by Fixed Cross.) Post: #4
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RE: Ghost Town
That was no vain remark.
It is quiet… in here…
let’s dance through these empty halls and chant
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06-30-2013, 03:04 AM Post: #5
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RE: Ghost Town
It was 100% offhand. Vain, or not.
It’s like some people are just waiting around to start hating stuff. It’s really that simple.
The ability to stay positive and actually like the world is something I have only seen in me and you, not even Tom.
How bout getting off all these antibiotics?
How bout stopping eating when I’m full up?
RE: Ghost Town
psst. Wanna see something?
glutenfreeandfuckedup.com/
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I can’t fail to see their point as well. We can only give if it’s day in court to convince anyone. I’m quite confident, yet not entirely (philosophically) certain. Fairly, the burden is not on the disbeliever but on on advertising itself to prove that it can be a constructive and nourishing thing especially as there is little precedent… or? You and me share the professional capacity to produce a functional image. We can value the art of advertising in terms of our self-value (as artists, creators) whereas to people who do not have a passion for esthetic engineering (value-appearance-creating) can only relate to it passively.
To some the truth is only the actual, the immediately real. To others the truth a possibility with the potential of being negated by another possibility-- truth as something to actively engage from the idea that this is what it means to exist, that it is the only thing that separates them from nothing. For them: to be is to act. Here’s an interesting subset of the rainbow cosmic contrasts that may fit this situation.
makara.us/04mdr/01writing/01tg/tapestry1.pdf
07-01-2013, 05:35 AM (This post was last modified: 07-01-2013 06:23 AM by Q.) Post: #9
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RE: Ghost Town
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The burden is not on the disbeliever but on on advertising itself to prove that it can be a constructive and nourishing thing especially as there is little precedent… or?
That’s all fine, but leave that in the argument. You know? That’s just something we’re talking about on a forum. Why should that matter with respect to what we’re doing here, or people’s propensity to be here in the first place?
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To some the truth is only the actual, the immediately real. To others the truth a possibility
I can accept that I am a creative, and others are not, and that for them certain values lie elsewhere. I don’t accept using that psychological distinction to make comments about what is ‘real.’ We are philosophers, for frig’s sake. We shouldn’t be thinking that way. We should be embracing each other’s strengths, and just using what we have to make what we want in the world.
That’s why the people actually affecting change the world, different branches of anonymous that actually do stuff, are all people in different positions of power acting from their strengths in coordination. It’s not anarchists with little-to-no technical training protesting on the street; it’s people in offices with double lives.