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Postby Destiny » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:06 pm

Why do flowers grow beside the road?

Because the path is the goal
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Re: Q&A

Postby MagsJ » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:49 pm

Survival is the goal... growing in a seemingly inhospitable spot.
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Re: Q&A

Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:16 pm

MagsJ wrote,


Survival is the goal... growing in a seemingly inhospitable spot.



The frozen loch is growing ice flowers.

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Adaptation and growth. Beautiful, isn't it?
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What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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Re: Q&A

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:54 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:The frozen loch is growing ice flowers.

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Adaptation and growth. Beautiful, isn't it?


Very.
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Re: Q&A

Postby gib » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:53 am

Destiny wrote:Why do flowers grow beside the road?

Because the path is the goal


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Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
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Re: Q&A

Postby encode_decode » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:34 pm

gib wrote: :puke-front:

Is it because you vomited up all the seeds you ate?
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But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning, which is to say there is always meaning.(gib - 2017)
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Re: Q&A

Postby gib » Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:55 pm

encode_decode wrote:Is it because you vomited up all the seeds you ate?


I don't eat flowers. ;)
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Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
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Re: Q&A

Postby MagsJ » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:34 pm

gib wrote:
encode_decode wrote:Is it because you vomited up all the seeds you ate?


I don't eat flowers. ;)

You should try some.. stuffed courgette flowers, with or without tempura batter, is still a very popular choice on Asian and Mediterranean menus.

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Re: Q&A

Postby MagsJ » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:46 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Adaptation and growth. Beautiful, isn't it?

..unless it goes wrong and becomes destructive/destroys. :(
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Re: Q&A

Postby gib » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:25 pm

MagsJ wrote:You should try some.. stuffed courgette flowers, with or without tempura batter, is still a very popular choice on Asian and Mediterranean menus.


I think I'll go with the tempura. <-- That actually sounds pretty good.
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Re: Q&A

Postby encode_decode » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:10 pm

    gib

    gib wrote:
    encode_decode wrote:Is it because you vomited up all the seeds you ate?


    I don't eat flowers. ;)

    What is it that you like to do with flowers?

    :lol:
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    But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning, which is to say there is always meaning.(gib - 2017)
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    Postby Arcturus Descending » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:28 pm

    encode_decode wrote:
      gib

      gib wrote:
      encode_decode wrote:Is it because you vomited up all the seeds you ate?


      I don't eat flowers. ;)

      What is it that you like to do with flowers?

      :lol:


      Admire them and get a wonderful whiff of their scent.
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      If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


      What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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      Postby MagsJ » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:33 pm

      Gib/ED/AD.. does that mean everything can have endless possibilities?

      Humans limit situations.. not the situation itself, so are we becoming a problem unto ourselves/our growth?
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      Postby encode_decode » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:14 pm

        MagsJ

        These are good questions. The first question seems to be one that nature says yes to and we often say no to.

        MagsJ wrote:Gib/ED/AD.. does that mean everything can have endless possibilities?

        I have never considered a question like this. I do not have an answer right now, but I will say this, thank you for asking.

        Just from a moments thought, it is quite a stimulating question.

        MagsJ wrote:Humans limit situations.. not the situation itself, so are we becoming a problem unto ourselves/our growth?

        Well we are definitely becoming a problem unto ourselves and our growth - this I believe can be from both setting limits and not setting limits.

        It is just a case of the subject matter, I think.
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        But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning, which is to say there is always meaning.(gib - 2017)
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        Postby Arcturus Descending » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:23 pm

        MagsJy wrote:

        does that mean everything can have endless possibilities?


        Endless as in inexhaustible?

        Everything? I would probably have to say no to this since we do not know or understand the reality of Everything.

        Many things do have strong possibilities. I do not think that they are limitless nevertheless because there are too many inner and outer influences going on around us.
        There is also Reality despite what we might want to believe.
        Also, we are human. It is nice to believe that we are limitless but at the same time we have our limitations.
        It would also greatly depend on the individual and the circumstances and the subject matter.

        I think that we ourselves have to investigate and gauge just how possible something is for us.
        We all have different gifts and talents.
        But we cannot let go too soon or let go too late to discover our answers.

        So, I would have to err on the side of caution and say No. We do not know everything.
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        If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


        What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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        Re: Q&A

        Postby gib » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:50 am

        MagsJ wrote:Gib/ED/AD.. does that mean everything can have endless possibilities?


        Hmm... looks like we three have been branded as the experts in these matters. :lol:

        I don't know how to answer this question. Off the top of my head, I'd say no. Things are limited by the laws of nature. Gasoline has the possibility of becoming fire but not the possibility of becoming medicine (unless there is some kind of chemical process it can go through that I'm not aware of). The laws of nature see to it that this is the case.

        However, I do believe that the singular totality of the universe in its primal state has the potential to be carved up into any possibility you can imagine (or any possibility you can't imagine), much like the number 1 can be carved up into any sum of fractions you like:

        .25 + .25 + .25 + .25

        or

        .1 + .9

        or

        3 - 8 + 6

        MagsJ wrote:Humans limit situations.. not the situation itself, so are we becoming a problem unto ourselves/our growth?


        We only limit situations because we are limited. We cannot choose all possibilities. We are limited to choosing one (or a small set) of possibilities. If we had no limits, things might be different.
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        It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
        Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
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        Postby encode_decode » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:16 am

          gib

          logical OR . . . welcome to the jungle!

          gib wrote:Hmm... looks like we three have been branded as the experts in these matters. :lol:

          I am wondering about the possibility that MagsJ is indeed the expert. That MagsJ is putting the three of us to some sort of test.

          I am messing with an OR here . . . catch my drift?

          8-[

          I believe this is how paranoia can work . . . lol.

          I am playing the part of the paranoid lunatic and you are playing the part of the sane gibinator.

          I'll be back . . .
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          But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning, which is to say there is always meaning.(gib - 2017)
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          Postby gib » Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:39 pm

          Paranoia can be contagious, encode. But I've contracted every strain of this bacteria. I'm immune. :lol:
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          It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
          Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
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          Postby surreptitious75 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:04 pm

          Mags wrote:
          does that mean everything can have endless possibilities
          Humans limit situations not the situation itself so are we becoming a problem unto ourselves and our growth

          Growth happens slowly over time and if one is truly open then they shall consider every available possibility
          But they will not be endless or infinite ones and even if they were they could not all be experienced anyway
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          Postby Fixed Cross » Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:00 am

          MagsJ wrote:Gib/ED/AD.. does that mean everything can have endless possibilities?

          Its hard enough to see two different possibilities most of the time.
          Free will if it exists is pretty limited - sometimes we must work the given situation years for one instance of true choice, and then of course half the time we do precisely the wrong thing. Instead of 99 percent effort to 1 percent inspiration, it more like .000001 freedom, the rest is effort within the thing that is given. But freedom is a powerful stimulant. And whats attained quickly isn't worth much.

          The moment of liberation after an occupation war is a true freedom, more people die these days than average war-days; many of the least healthy pick up all their bad habits at once. Freedom kills. Insert flag.

          Humans limit situations.. not the situation itself, so are we becoming a problem unto ourselves/our growth?

          We need to exploit more of each others qualities. Humans are severely under-exploited, they are capable of far greater feats than we now expect of ... us, - and I mean as a collective.

          The UN isn't the best we can do, as citizens of the world. For one it dates from a pre internet age. We can have a much better and more layered and interwoven and effective, relevant, and even sort of democratic united front of nationalities if we become a bit more ambitious with the internet. As fragile as all these individual bits are in terms of force, all of them together will make the world more stable. We will slowly be able to afford more truth, and value others more in terms of what we can not do. That is meritocracy, only refined intelligences can endure it - they have their pride in what is smart, they don't care if it is the collective or individual who does it. As long as it benefits most stably and with the greatest plenitude.

          Plenitude will at once point become a thing again. We have plenty, but scarcity is our mindset, so what we have is ugly when it sits next to all the other things we have - or at least sparse, sober - this is our style. Compare this to how people dressed in the 15th century - they lived in times of plenitude, even though they had far less. It is about self-valuing - the environment is valued into the self so that the self can freely expand into it.

          The most healthy society is one where the greatest diversity of types can act spontaneously, attain its values, and thereby be of value to others so that they can attain theirs. Now, spiritual spontaneity is all but dead. Where it appears it is met with scorn as if it is violence. We can only imagine the ways in which it will try to come back into the game, and anticipate.
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          Re: Q&A

          Postby encode_decode » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:01 pm

            gib

            Great response . . . Applause =D>

            gib wrote:Paranoia can be contagious, encode. But I've contracted every strain of this bacteria. I'm immune. :lol:

            It sure can, gib. Well I am so glad you are immune to it. I think that there are better and more enjoyable ways for one to lose their sanity.

            :lol:
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            But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning, which is to say there is always meaning.(gib - 2017)
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            Re: Q&A

            Postby gib » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:20 pm

            encode_decode wrote:I think that there are better and more enjoyable ways for one to lose their sanity.

            :lol:


            Are you kidding?! Paranoia's a thrill! :lol: Makes you feel like a spy in an espionage movie.

            Just kidding... sort of. 8-[

            Anyway, I wonder if Destiny's abandoned this thread. We've butchered it pretty bad. I was expecting a whole series of Q&A rounds. I swear I won't :puke-front: at all of them.

            Will respond to your other posts later.
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            It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
            Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
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            Postby encode_decode » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:26 pm

              gib

              gib wrote:
              encode_decode wrote:I think that there are better and more enjoyable ways for one to lose their sanity.

              :lol:


              Are you kidding?! Paranoia's a thrill! :lol: Makes you feel like a spy in an espionage movie.

              Just kidding... sort of. 8-[

              Anyway, I wonder if Destiny's abandoned this thread. We've butchered it pretty bad. I was expecting a whole series of Q&A rounds. I swear I won't :puke-front: at all of them.

              Will respond to your other posts later.

              :lol: I had a good laugh, thanks.

              Maybe Destiny has forgotten about the thread - I guess that is a possibility.

              Seriously just respond whenever you feel like it.
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              But the point remains that you can't get at that meaning before grasping the surface meaning, which is to say there is always meaning.(gib - 2017)
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              Postby Arcturus Descending » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:16 pm

              gib wrote:
              Destiny wrote:Why do flowers grow beside the road?

              Because the path is the goal


              :puke-front:


              Please put that to language, gib. :evilfun:
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              If I thought that everything I did was determined by my circumstancse and my psychological condition, I would feel trapped.


              What we take ourselves to be doing when we think about what is the case or how we should act is something that cannot be reconciled with a reductive naturalism, for reasons distinct from those that entail the irreducibility of consciousness. It is not merely the subjectivity of thought but its capacity to transcend subjectivity and to discover what is objectively the case that presents a problem....Thought and reasoning are correct or incorrect in virtue of something independent of the thinker's beliefs, and even independent of the community of thinkers to which he belongs.

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              Postby gib » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:26 pm

              encode_decode wrote:Maybe Destiny has forgotten about the thread - I guess that is a possibility.


              She doesn't post that often.

              Arcturus Descending wrote:Please put that to language, gib. :evilfun:


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              It is impossible for a human being to go through life not thinking irrationally even if they think of themselves as rational
              Also just as irrational decisions are not always bad then rational ones are not always good no matter what the intention
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