Profit from Work ?

Profit from Work ?

Work Doesn’t Generate Profits Anymore

If there is any real logic operating in the “economy” (which I doubt), if there is any cause and effect, any common sense operating, if there is anything real behind it, then we are really in trouble. We can only hope in the usual quirks, random way that the forces engaged play out, that companies just decide to hire for the fun of it (inventing all kinds of whacky job tasks, but that is ok, that has been going on for decades now), that all of a sudden an assignment language assigns as important a whole bunch of items and tasks that were previously not even on the radar, so as to hire the unemployed etc. Otherwise, the USA, EU and JAPAN will simply slowly but surely go down the drain one way or the other, no matter what anyone wants or thinks or tries to figure out.

And why is this ? Well, aside from the very real and powerful Macro Economic Trend of the Technological Economy eliminating jobs automatically, no matter what, because it uses computers, software, optimizations, robots, globalizations, and can make any factory in any hidden corner of Latin America, Africa or Asia churn out almost any item with people working for 200 dollars a month (which, strangely compared to the western salaries is actually quite high, they are actually making a lot more money than their western factory workers, given that in the west they give you 800 dollars a month, but just the rent can cost you more than 1,000 dollars a month, you get - 200 dollars a month, at least in 3rd world countries, they give you even zero (no need to even pay, free work, no need to pay them, just give them a room and some food, many in the West would love something like that, and they would readily work for free, who cares!) but 3 hots and a cot for free and you would still be way ahead of any western worker, go figure), you have another very powerful and real Macro Economic Trend going on: Work or Labor no longer generates a profit for the Bosses, for the Capitalists, for the Small or Big Businesses, for the Entrepreneurs.

Work is not giving back its costs: the capitalists are right on this, why on earth hire people if they can’t make a profit from their labor ? And how on earth are they going to make a profit from their labor ? but especially what labor, what tasks, what on earth can the workers possibly do to make their bosses gain more money than what they cost ? Very little, this is also structural, there is almost nothing the workers can do to improve their situation: they are redundant, not needed, optimized out of any usefulness, automated and technically rendered obsolete, cost more than what they are “producing” (let alone what they are worth - which I imagine is a big fat zero) and worth even for the poor capitalists, who are supposed to “invest” and “bet on them”.

What activity can the poor capitalists make the worker perform, for 8 hours a day, eveyday, what manipulations for every minute for 8 hours, what physical or informational transformations and manipulations can the worker perform that will make the money being paid for the worker be paid back with at least some profit ? I have a hard time imaging what, honestly. And this is the problem:

Work doesn’t generate Profits anymore, the old rules no longer apply, people are simply a cost, are a pain in the ass, are useless and redundant and still think that they are needed. And even if some types are needed, they are far and in between, maybe some specialized machine shop guys, some technological guys, some other things, maybe a few hundred or thousand of these types at most, it won’t make a dent in the millions of jobs needed in the USA, EU and JAPAN. No wonder everyone is in “punishment mode”, the capitalists are always saying that workers are not “productive enough” or “innovative enough” or “competitive enough” (even they don’t know why workers have become such huge useless turds), everyone is pissed off at everyone else, everyone is hating on everyone else: they are all frustrated because they sense how useless they have all become, how useless their “skills” or “work potential” really is, they know they can’t sell anything of value to anyone no matter what, that is why everyone wants to fire everyone else, wants to call everyone else a freeloader, lazy and not deserving. They know that there is very little left to really sell other people, you can only sell so much BS and so many fairy tales to people until they see through all of them (like education) and discover that it is all a scam.

So what is the solution ? Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, governments must take this problem in their hands and force a solution, there is no other hidden hand of the market, no magic, no tax cuts that will change any of this. No innovation, no research and development that will “create jobs” (in fact research and development have been killing jobs for decades now, go figure), etc.

Another solution is to drastically cut the fixed external costs people have: since you won’t be able to expect a salary of more than 800 dollars a month in the future, since nothing you do can possibly be worth much more, then the external, independent variable costs like housing rents and prices of houses must be slashed violently: rents of 100 to 200 dollars a month at most, homes costing not more than 50,000 dollars all across and the same for all 3 developed regions of the world USA, EU and JAPAN. And same for health care, dentists and doctors have to ask for 5 and 10 dollars for services, colleges and schools have to cut their prices by the boatloads, etc. Cut all of the external costs, the independent variable costs big time, that is the only solution.

Of course, none of this will be done, no logic operates, nothing of the above is true for a simple reason: the system has no rules, there are no common sense patterns, the system is a total chaotic random quirk, and it all may play out perfectly all the same, after all 90 % of the USA workers are still working (not producing anything at all but that is ok) most work is just fighting other people, change for changes sake, hire and fire, just a huge spinning the wheels of so many people trying to make believe they are doing important stuff, when they are really just fighting each other, office politics, all kinds of subtle games, the values and judgments games, the who will be hosed next games, etc.

But if any hard core logic is operating, WATCH OUT! WORK IS BEING AUTOMATED AND OPTIMIZED OUT OF EXISTENCE AND WORK NO LONGER GENERATES ANY PROFITS FOR THE BOSSES, CONCLUSION: THE END OF WORK, AND MASS POVERTY.

Uh oh, another spelling error!go for it little Betty and Tommy, you can do it!, go man go, First gear, all right!; second gear, hold on tight!; third gear, out of sight!; faster faster faster and bring it to the FED, good little boys and girls!

Uh oh, little Nancy, another spelling error! find the error game again, oh what fun, go for it man, go man, go!

And then copy it all and give it to a guy called Ben Bernanke at a place called the Federal Reserve, tell him to print trillions of dollars and throw them off a helicopter all across the USA (and EU and JAPAN while he’s at it!), he will understand, tell him all the secret formulas have failed, there is no innovation, education, hidden hand of the market, you name it that will magically create jobs, that are not needed and not even worth it from the outset. And ask him what to do with 15 million empty homes all across the USA and 20 million empty homes all across Europe, from Lisbon to Moscow, after all they did all the right things, they built homes, a basic necessity, they were good little girls and boys, so what gives, why isn’t anything good coming out of it ?

Also, vlad, the Right Wing Thugs always personalize the problems, the thug that is drugged, the black that robs, they always want you to believe that it is individual people that are bad, and not that the structure of the system, the large scale Macro Economic Machine is what really determines all, and this is created by design and intention, there is a social class that benefits hugely by having millions unemployed and high health care costs and home rents and prices high, etc.

Also, even work no longer profits from being hired, since the pay is so low, you can’t even rent your own place, why on earth even work ? Just stay at home and watch TV. So you see, both the bosses and the workers no longer gain anything anymore in a system where only the property owners and banks and health care theives, etc. high level capitalists hog everything up.

So Work no longer generates profits, Working no longer is even worth it, and work is being eliminated and automated out of existence anyways. Good luck with that.

Profit from Work ?

Work Doesn’t Generate Profits Anymore

If there is any real logic operating in the “economy” (which I doubt), if there is any cause and effect, any common sense operating, if there is anything real behind it, then we are really in trouble. We can only hope in the usual quirks, random way that the forces engaged play out, that companies just decide to hire for the fun of it (inventing all kinds of wacky job tasks, but that is ok, that has been going on for decades now), that all of a sudden an assignment language assigns as important a whole bunch of items and tasks that were previously not even on the radar, so as to hire the unemployed etc. Otherwise, the USA, EU and JAPAN will simply slowly but surely go down the drain one way or the other, no matter what anyone wants or thinks or tries to figure out.

And why is this ? Well, aside from the very real and powerful Macro Economic Trend of the Technological Economy eliminating jobs automatically, no matter what, because it uses computers, software, optimizations, robots, globalizations, and can make any factory in any hidden corner of Latin America, Africa or Asia churn out almost any item with people working for 200 dollars a month (which, strangely compared to the western salaries is actually quite high, they are actually making a lot more money than their western factory workers, given that in the west they give you 800 dollars a month, but just the rent can cost you more than 1,000 dollars a month, you get - 200 dollars a month, at least in 3rd world countries, they give you even zero (no need to even pay, free work, no need to pay them, just give them a room and some food, many in the West would love something like that, and they would readily work for free, who cares!) but 3 hots and a cot for free and you would still be way ahead of any western worker, go figure), you have another very powerful and real Macro Economic Trend going on: Work or Labor no longer generates a profit for the Bosses, for the Capitalists, for the Small or Big Businesses, for the Entrepreneurs.

Work is not giving back its costs: the capitalists are right on this, why on earth hire people if they can’t make a profit from their labor ? And how on earth are they going to make a profit from their labor ? but especially what labor, what tasks, what on earth can the workers possibly do to make their bosses gain more money than what they cost ? Very little, this is also structural, there is almost nothing the workers can do to improve their situation: they are redundant, not needed, optimized out of any usefulness, automated and technically rendered obsolete, cost more than what they are “producing” (let alone what they are worth - which I imagine is a big fat zero) and worth even for the poor capitalists, who are supposed to “invest” and “bet on them”.

What activity can the poor capitalists make the worker perform, for 8 hours a day, everyday, what manipulations for every minute for 8 hours, what physical or informational transformations and manipulations can the worker perform that will make the money being paid for the worker be paid back with at least some profit ? I have a hard time imagining what, honestly. And this is the problem:

Work doesn’t generate Profits anymore, the old rules no longer apply, people are simply a cost, are a pain in the ass, are useless and redundant and still think that they are needed. And even if some types are needed, they are far and in between, maybe some specialized machine shop guys, some technological guys, some other things, maybe a few hundred or thousand of these types at most, it won’t make a dent in the millions of jobs needed in the USA, EU and JAPAN. No wonder everyone is in “punishment mode”, the capitalists are always saying that workers are not “productive enough” or “innovative enough” or “competitive enough” (even they don’t know why workers have become such huge useless turds), everyone is pissed off at everyone else, everyone is hating on everyone else: they are all frustrated because they sense how useless they have all become, how useless their “skills” or “work potential” really is, they know they can’t sell anything of value to anyone no matter what, that is why everyone wants to fire everyone else, wants to call everyone else a freeloader, lazy and not deserving. They know that there is very little left to really sell other people, you can only sell so much BS and so many fairy tales to people until they see through all of them (like education) and discover that it is all a scam.

So what is the solution ? Free Salaries, Cheap Rents, governments must take this problem in their hands and force a solution, there is no other hidden hand of the market, no magic, no tax cuts that will change any of this. No innovation, no research and development that will “create jobs” (in fact research and development have been killing jobs for decades now, go figure), etc.

Another solution is to drastically cut the fixed external costs people have: since you won’t be able to expect a salary of more than 800 dollars a month in the future, since nothing you do can possibly be worth much more, then the external, independent variable costs like housing rents and prices of houses must be slashed violently: rents of 100 to 200 dollars a month at most, homes costing not more than 50,000 dollars all across and the same for all 3 developed regions of the world USA, EU and JAPAN. And same for health care, dentists and doctors have to ask for 5 and 10 dollars for services, colleges and schools have to cut their prices by the boatloads, etc. Cut all of the external costs, the independent variable costs big time, that is the only solution.

Of course, none of this will be done, no logic operates, nothing of the above is true for a simple reason: the system has no rules, there are no common sense patterns, the system is a total chaotic random quirk, and it all may play out perfectly all the same, after all 90 % of the USA workers are still working (not producing anything at all but that is ok) most work is just fighting other people, change for changes sake, hire and fire, just a huge spinning the wheels of so many people trying to make believe they are doing important stuff, when they are really just fighting each other, office politics, all kinds of subtle games, the values and judgments games, the who will be hosed next games, etc.

But if any hard core logic is operating, WATCH OUT! WORK IS BEING AUTOMATED AND OPTIMIZED OUT OF EXISTENCE AND WORK NO LONGER GENERATES ANY PROFITS FOR THE BOSSES, CONCLUSION: THE END OF WORK, AND MASS POVERTY.

I can understand why no one could find a use for me, but nameta9, you have some serious talent.
But don’t confuse that with agreeing with what you say in any way.

The Optional Society

The entire ideological construction of education, research and innovation “creating jobs” is based on the idea that a consensus emerges within societies that a lot of optional, fluff, abstract things that you can’t see or touch become “important” become “valuable”, that ideas, concepts, information, pseudo-inventions (which are mostly just different packagings of the same old fashioned things that have been around for decades now like cameras in cell phones, IPADs which are just computers, etc.) get paid for by other people evaluating them as worthy, and by paying for them they generate jobs for people to engage in for their design, sales and interacting with them. But this is mostly a simple cultural choice, is an aesthetic, practically “artistic” choice in the end, there are no real necessities behind them, they are not based on the primary sector of agriculture or the secondary sector of manufacturing, they are simply optional, fun things to do, especially fun ways to occupy time both as labor and both as engagements.

So most of the imagined “new jobs” will be and should emerge in optional sectors, new things to do, new areas of engagements, etc. But is this the case ? I doubt very much, I really can’t see or imagine so many new sectors, new things to do that will require so many people working 8 hours a day, requiring constant manipulations of information or physical manipulations, informational and physical transformations for 8 hours a day that will correspond to a pay that should somehow produce a profit for the bosses and that should allow the workers to pay rent, health care, energy and all of the other real basics.

And in fact, the funny thing of this system is that to pay the basics you need to generate the fluff, the necessities are based on the optionals, and when the going gets tough, the necessities start costing more and more and the optionals start becoming more and more optional, are not “needed” (were they ever needed ?) so much anymore. And in fact, a characteristic of work seems increasingly to be a total optional endeavor, hire and fire, anyone or any activity can be hosed (actually should be hosed because the system is dynamic and “advancing” this way) in a moment, etc.

But behind all of the deceptions, all of the inventions, all of the talk one thing seems clear: jobs are becoming increasingly optional, are mostly not needed, will generate less and less profit for the bosses as people become crueler and crueler because that is what the entire ideology of competition, “fighting for it”, “you have to deserve it”, calling everyone else lazy really is all about, the entire “you need more education”, “your skill sets are not up to date”, “you are not innovative enough” and so forth and so on really implies.

But to counter this, what do the powers that be do ? They try to hike up the prices of necessities as much as possible, but in stealth mode, without you noticing, they try to hose you, and everyone plays along without even noticing: and so it was with huge increases in house prices and rents, huge increases in health care costs, huge increases in colleges and so forth and so on. And they do this by creating artificial constraints, by creating artificial scarcities and interdictions to force you to pay for things that should cost way less, by forcing you to change “jobs” and living in high cost of living areas (all of a sudden all the jobs are in Houston, wow, rent and house prices going up, hmmm), health care always going up (no one on earth understands why or how or what is going on, except that all of these private insurances and the nurses and the doctors and the hospitals start asking for more and more cash like hogs and pigs gone crazy for the same old fashioned things that cost pennies in the 1960s up till the 1980s but now have become all “high maintenance” items, all top notch luxury, a bed in a hospital room must cost a thousand dollars a day (who says ? why ? are they crazy or what ?) the nurse must make 100,000 dollars a year (who says so ? why ? are they crazy ?), you get the idea).

But make no mistake, this system is doomed from the outset, labor won’t generate the profits expected, labor is being automated out of existence, labor is increasingly optional, has only the value a bunch of people assign it as having optionally (like most education, courses, software, movies, office politics, you name it), on a whim, just for fun, so the value can become zero right away and the jobs disappear right away (occasional mass layoffs), most labor is not even needed structurally and wastes more energy, and hence real first and second sector resources then they are worth, etc.

Solution ? become a low maintenance society where the basics should be paid what they are really worth, and namely much, much less: house rents 100 to 200 dollars a month, house prices everywhere (and all across the USA, EU and JAPAN), at most 50,000 dollars (even in big “important” cities like San Francisco and Manhattan (hose the speculators and banks) no more million dollar homes just because they are in big important cities, same for Paris, London and Tokyo).

And a complete change of ideology and mentality: huge public - private projects hiring millions for Rockets to Mars, High Speed Trains, huge BUS systems all across the USA (and world), Trillions of Skyscrapers, you name it, huge projects that are accumulative, that aggregate labor, that make the labor add up and not subtract down with petty fights of all against all. And Cheap Rents, Hobby Factories and Free Salaries, Free Public Health Care, etc. All big government things, we need big government, a unity of intent, a communist dictatorship that kills greed, and kills the individual that is a total egotistical criminal that wants to simply beat up his brother and fight and not produce a common goal, a common value, a common good, that generates pride, ambition, everyone working together for the common good, for the idea, for the symbol MIND OVER MATTER, etc.

On a side note, why on earth should housing even cost so much ? It is just a box to live in, and in the USA they are even cheap wood crappy boxes that easily fall apart (in Mexico and Europe they are stone - concrete, but mostly tiny, oh well, the whole world just sucks cock BIG TIME), but it is just a box, why hike the prices up ? Because they know that by hiking up the prices of necessities they can force you to pay more and more, they know that all of the other jobs and activities are not needed, but they got to get you in a corner and hike up the prices of necessities, housing and health care and indirectly schooling (since schooling should land you that oh so important and necessary fake fluff job).

On the tree huggers and greens that are against consumerism and 5 TVs in a house and so forth and so on I answer : we need more and more consumerism, we need more of everything, behind all of this are jobs, so more consumerism means more jobs, unless you want to simply give out Free Salaries to all of the manufacturing entities. But we need an ever increasing consumerism and also Free Salaries, Trillions of Cadillacs, Trillions of Skyscrapers, and KILL NATURE, how I hate the greens and tree huggers and nature, THEY JUST PROTECT THEIR OWN LITTLE CORNER NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED TO KILL NATURE TO GIVE JOBS TO PEOPLE AND LET PEOPLE LIVE: KILL NATURE AND LET PEOPLE PRODUCE AND CONSUME!

Intelligence Distributed to Objects by the “Cloud” and Internet Connected Devices

I was reading how objects are becoming “intelligent” and “Internet Connected” like an alarm clock that finds out that there is traffic and decides to sound off earlier so you can avoid the traffic and such. This is an example of Indirect and Objectified Free Wills Frozen in Objects, past decisions on what causes and effects should be, what actions and reactions should be, made by some person, in a different place and time and that you can’t directly interact with. So if you get pissed off at the “device”, you are really getting pissed off at an indirect other Free Will that decided something but you can’t do anything about it, and you lose the fight, the contradiction, the contrast, the challenge on the outset, as you are fighting a Frozen Decision and an imaginary intractable person.

How to distribute Free Will contrasts and contrasting Free Wills indirectly, as a proxy, Free Will decisions probably opposing your Free Will through Internet Devices, Software, Rfids, and other Technological items acting according to what someone else decided. How to indirectly uncouple Free Will from people into “objective” detached and indirect entities interacting with you, and you directly acting and reacting according to another predetermined, but now Dead and Objectified Free Will.

Another subtle contrast and fight that is imposed upon you, without you noticing it.

Another interesting take: The Arab Revolution, they finally saw beyond the fake, make believe religious wars that the dominating authorities in those countries found so convenient: let everybody fight for Allah, against the Jews, against the USA and Israel, let them fight puny internal religious wars, sunnies against the others, and so forth and so on, Iran, the religious crap going on and on forever, Palestine, etc. So that you don’t have to give millions of people what they really need and that is houses and jobs, keep their minds occupied on religion and don’t give them anything they really need.

So now, maybe they are waking up to the fact that all of those religious wars and crap is useless, isn’t going to give them a house and a job, what they really need: they don’t need to fight Israel or for the Palestinians, they need that their governments give them their houses and jobs or at least their Free Salaries and Cheap Rents.

From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/a-dist … ing-1.html

Nothing Further From the Truth

For all his smarts and cynicism, JHK is quite naive, as are most posters here and, nay, should I say most economists, politicians, etc. They kind of believe there is an objective “truth” out there in the economy. That the economy is some kind of machine that works according to rules and laws, that people operate accordingly, even if they “sometimes” mess up, and that “debts must be paid”, “work must be productive”, “what goes up must come down”, and so forth and so on. Nothing further from the truth (can’t imagine how many times I had to pronounce that sentence !, is it possible that only I, in the whole world, see how false, a lie, arbitrary everything is?!?!).

The economy doesn’t even exist in a sense, it is just an aggregation of numbers measuring aggregate output from factories, aggregate unemployment, all kinds of numbers of “things” put together, “as one chunk”, as if they were a single entity (and not made up of an ever changing unknown number of moving and changing parts that can be interpreted (nay, the interpretation is a pure invention by a long slide) and boiled in random, totally quirk, undefined, unknown, intractable “Free Wills” of people doing anything that comes to their puny and turdy minds), following logic and mathematics and inside some kind of clockwork machine. Nothing Further From the Truth.

The debts, the “counter-party obligations”, the “economic growth” and all else can be changed and deleted on a whim, can be restructured (that is redefined out of existence, or redefined from being a loss to a gain, from a “liability” to an “asset” in a jiffy, you name it, there is no limit to human imagination, inventiveness and fantasy) are just make believe entities from the outset, have never been real anyways, are just placeholders, a denotation, a symbol of some vague and never precisely defined, and definitely never really guaranteed beyond blind hope, human relationships, of how humans decided to interact, according to what vague rules and laws they feel are or should be operating.

So money as such doesn’t even exist, it is just a relationship between people, so it can be redefined into anything else, no matter what. And this is what is going to happen. No crash, no economy dying, no nothing, there will be some people who lose (always workers and poor that is for sure), but most people will just hang on forever, just like the economy will hang on forever, as it is just an invention.

The real basic processes sustaining the economy, the primary sectors and the secondary sectors (agriculture and manufacturing) will keep on churning out their goods anyways, maybe with some ups and downs, but the wealth that is generated automatically by a Technological Economy, will be generated anyways, and despite any of the theoretical fluff economy and inventions of the tertiary sectors (services, banks, finance, etc.). The system is getting richer day by day, even though all of you are so hooked into seeing all of these imaginary linearities operating, all of these simple causes and effects, without noticing the large picture: work being automated and technologically rendered obsolete, constant increase of wealth in the form of technological advancements, ever more products, ever more homes and cars and goods of all kinds being produced anyways, ever more information (as in the Information Economy), etc.

On China, I found that really cool that they just build and build, just like my idea of building Trillions of Skyscrapers, disrespecting any “economic logic”, outside of any “market economy” logic, they just DO IT, they just express all of the EXCESS CAPACITY the system generates and lets it all hang out, really cool! I hope they build trillions of ghost cities, I hope they finally HOSE NATURE the way that it should have been hosed long ago, good Commies the Chinese, go man go, do it, you can do it!

On the San Jose Mommy, I bet your teenage girly is a doll (I can only use my imagination, now what is left of an old crappy, Impotent, huge pile of crap like me, but that’s ok, life is a bitch : eat, drink and be merry, and then you die (that is the best possible religion to live by, by a long shot!, but I look at dirty pictures, go figure)). Did she find some modified brain - mind structure in her backyard ? Did it come from the SuperComputer that the Sun is ? Ask her, she may know.

I found this one, let her go out and play with this, she will jump up and down and run all around the backyard with little Nancy and Suzy and Ryan and Tommy, all having a ball, all having FUN, oh what FUN!!!

WJJ$JJ%J%J%JTHJHTT–PP====----::MM---------------

Wow, now that is a really new mind - universe entity! I can see a words to extension converter (as words are only relationships (logical and cause and effect systems) while Matter and what we see is extended and full of details, but we just see the fairy tale relationships, as the relationships and logic are all and totalizing, but they should be irrelevant as we should just experience the extensions of Mass Energy as in Existence against Function, our mind - thought completely obsessed with function, KILL FUNCTION, long live extensions and random details), an aggregator of time and past experiences into solid particle condenser (we need electrical schematics here with WILD SYMBOLS, symbols going crazy all on their own) an all to nothing particle constructor, and so on and so forth, as this is “The Insanity I Have to Deal With”.

Just do it, go man go, first gear, it’s allright! second gear hold on tight! third gear you’re out of sight!

Quo Vadis ? Baby…

From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/a-dist … ing-1.html

Language as a Deceiving Abstraction

Gavin saith, “why I am still stuck in a job that pays barely $300 a week, often closer to $200? (And why are all the applications for employment I put in met only with crushing silence?) The reason that finally came to me, is that society does not value any of what I have done. The question that arose from that answer was of course, what then, at this point in America’s history, does society value?”

There is no “society” that is valuing anything: it is another aggregator symbol, the word “society”, what on earth does it mean ? where is it ? who is it ? etc. If you think “hard enough” you will see how this word and concept is just as vague, undefined, and invisible as just about 99 % of all of our words and concepts, as language is an abstractor, is a machine that abstracts and stereotypes (simplifies to the greatest degree) any number of distinct, often unrelated, often not even clearly bound or defined sets of entities, actions and reactions, causes and effects (imagined ?), human feelings and emotions as related to other humans and what they do, or our memory, or our story and patterns projected in time (from past to future?), and so on.

Society, can you touch it ? can you feel it ? the typical response of religious people when trying to convince you to believe in the invisible, do you love your children ? can you touch “love” or feel it ? and so on: but I finally figured this one out, what they really are getting at is that this concept and word and like many other concepts and words are Information Relationships, are imagined, sometimes real, sometimes fake, mostly in between and hard to verify and define and measure feelings that situations, other people, their judgments (as you imagined them) provoke, their importance, their meanings, how important they become.

But why substitute an abstractor symbol such as “Society” with another abstractor symbol such as “Information Relationship”, isn’t that circular reasoning, isn’t that what all language and thought is really all about ? An algorithm that doesn’t go anywhere, that just keeps on cycling forever through an ever changing new sequence of symbols that each time, thinks that “it is on to something”, that is “has advanced”, that “this time it’s different”, this time “I finally got it right”.

Nothing Further From the Truth, it will never be right, it is wrong from the outset, it is doomed from the outset to be always wrong, as our mind and thought and language itself is always wrong no matter what.

What does “society” value and why aren’t you making “more money” ? no answer at all, pure luck, pure chance, the absolute random - quirk way the forces around you are engaged, the power relationships that are keeping you in a corner (but remember if you get out of the corner, someone else will take your place and ask the same question), there is nothing that society values as society doesn’t exist, each person values different things, each person invents a different thing, judges according to nothing at all but what he perceives as “valuable” (which has no reliability whatsoever).

On a more fun note, I like the big NASCAR engines, we need more of them, we need 800 horsepower, we need noise and violent metal in our world, we need to show Matter who is the BOSS, we will produce a trillion NASCAR Cadillacs all over the place, we need to get nature on the run, big time, we need to crack nature’s head open with a baseball bat, go man go, just do it. And we need to crack a lot of other heads open also, like god’s, like Mass - Energy’s, like The Laws of Physics’s, all of these heads must be cracked open with a baseball bat, go for it little Lucy, wow she is running around wild laughing and screaming, having a ball, the new generation will knock this world into order, they are being programmed correctly for the final showdown, MIND AGAINST MATTER, SYMBOL AGAINST MASS ENERGY, the final war, the Laws of Physics are on a run, they are running like crazy, they finally got the message on who the BOSS is!

This is the real final rapture, the sign of the Beast, the War, the Fight, Logical Contradiction finally allowed to let it all hang out, go for it little Suzy and Ryan, they are having oh so much FUN, jumping up and down, laughing, screaming and running around the backyard, while Mommy cooks in the kitchen, we are having so much FUN, it is so nice to play around like this: soon Mommy will call us in for dinner, what a fine day today!

ON the sensations to thought ratio S/T, I guess playing Football (the American one, for all of you Eurosclerotic and Latin American Latinos types) increases this variable to a higher number, less thought and more sensations as in physical activity, the flow of thought to touch or feeling and energy, interesting take. Maybe Rugby too …

Hey, San Jose Mommy, did your teenage girly, that is a doll, find the new mental contraption - universe perceived item in the backyard ? Shame on you for not answering, that is not good manners, your girly probably is more educated than you on this: if asked a question it is good manners to answer correctly. And say Sir at the end of the answer…

Are you going to ask me over for dinner tonight ? I can talk about some Metaphysics…

From:

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Kill Environmentalists

I’m, sick and tired of the greens, environmentalists, tree huggers, nature protectors and nature lovers always afraid, always scaredy cats, always afraid of manipulating and using nature for the well being of Man: it is another religion, another abstraction, another make believe entity that inhibits action, interdicts the path towards our pleasure, another invention out there to hose what Man should do and namely change, manipulate, build, make and break, who cares about Nature, Nature is the Enemy.

We must hate nature with all of our guts, kill it, hose it, there are a billion people in India that want their Cadillacs, and they will get it, they want all of the Automatic for the People and we will give it to them the environment will take care of itself, as usual, nature knows and takes care of itself, not withstanding all of our puny ideas about protecting it, and then why protect it ? because if you get sickness A because of pollution you will die sooner ? what punks, you will die anyways, so who gives a crap, you are fighting a losing war, so just win it by dying sooner and killing nature sooner, who cares!

How I hate that idea, if you do this then this other thing will happen, you could have avoided this and that, be careful: that is a bunch of BS, no matter what you can’t avoid anything, you can just kick the can down the road, you may avoid B but you will get C, the entire afraid of getting sick because there is this chemical, this radiation, this and that is based on the illusion of control, on the illusion that you are in charge, that you can plan things out: Nothing Further from the Truth, the devil of nature already has other plans in store and will hose you no matter what!

They think they can win a game that is rigged from the very definition of the game: no matter what, no matter how well you plan it out, or calculate “the risks” or all else, no matter how you expect B from doing A, sooner or later, somewhere and somehow down the road you will get C, just what you didn’t want. So therefore just assign “Will Power Achieved”, just make everything as it is and as it always was and will be automatically correspond to exactly as you want it, just assign it, just make believe you always win, just bluntly lie to yourself, and you can always win, your Will Power Achieved always, no matter what, a “Constant Winning Machine”, no matter what, or what pain/pleasure they generate, get out of the prison of pain/pleasure, good/bad, true/false (or is that truth/untruth?), right/wrong, judgment of others of you being good or bad, etc. you are free.

On another note, we need to nuke the earth, devastate it, we need to devastate the entire universe, pollute it wildly, go for it little Tommy, Kill Nature Big Time, show nature who is the Boss, extreme manipulation, extreme pollution, extreme everything, split the earth, put all the environmentalists inside gigantic atom bombs and nuclear reactors, show them how beautiful it is to finally accept the killing of nature, no more green on this planet, now only rocks and dead Iron and Steel (I could never understand what is so special about carbon chemistry and why the greens think that carbon chemistry is so “religiously good” against the higher atomic number atoms like uranium, and Steel and Iron and so forth!).

The sickness is life, death is the cure, nay, the sickness is existence and there is no cure for it.

We need extreme infinite pain, we need to lose big time, god doesn’t have a trademark on hell, we can make a worser hell, a more intense total chaos and infinite pain, go for it little Suzy, show god how to create a real hell, devastate everything, nuke everything, we should nuke everything just for the fun of it, break, kill, destroy, destroy everything possible, just let it all hang out, no more logic here, no more Civilization here, finally Instinct has hosed Logic, Impulse has killed the Consciousness and cause and effect, we are now free.

Total Metaphysical Insecurity, go for it, we will design an infinite lasting infinite pain system for thousands of trillions of pain sensor entities (no longer even people, or man, simply a new design of an item specialized in feeling the worst possible pain) we will explore all of this, god himself will run away from this new hell, even the laws of physics will run away wildly, they will all be terrorized by what Symbol over Metaphysics can achieve, god help us all (and also extreme pleasure and a wild mix, and trillions of other entities invented in between and parallel, so not only pain and pleasure exists, but also A, and A1, and A2, on for infinity all new Information Relationships, new sensations, new possibilities). And why is a bird made up of a certain structure of tissues, and what if the structure was trillions of times more complex, and what if the same was only very simple ? why is any function or entity tied into how it is designed, when it could have been designed in a trillion different ways ?

On a more fun note, the solution to all economic problems is extreme deflation: you want us to compete against China, ok, give us also 100 dollars a month salary, but let us pay 10 dollars a month rent and 10 dollars a month for food, etc. only extreme deflation can help the economy get back up on it feet.

And then they want you to believe that the economy is “scientific”, when the entire “profit motive”, the need for profit, really simply means someone wants something for nothing, and that translates somewhere and somehow to forcing someone to give you something for nothing, like the agricultural workers or skyscraper builders in the developing world making a 100 dollars a month, while the big bosses, make trillions on profits. That is supposed to be “scientific”; that is supposed to be the “correct economy”: when behind it all is just greed, fights, contrasting Will Powers, A against B, and exploitation of the weak, but this is due to a bad design of mind - brain, this old clunker must be hosed and designed into something new.

The entire idea of “investment”, that money is supposed to increase automatically because you are using it for something else or “investing” in something: Nothing Further from the Truth, if the value of something increases, it is simply because you are indirectly either stealing from some weak worker somewhere in the world, or you are inflating the value of something up to a make believe value: anyways the value of something is only the degree of how powerful the contrasting will powers over that something exercised themselves, the fight, the power relationship.

Italy, Brunetta - Kids are Lazy

I was reading an article on an Italian politician (Brunetta) calling the young college degreed workers who can’t find jobs or find low paying jobs, “lazy” and “spoiled” and not wanting to work the fields or heavy manual labor, in an “Innovation” conference (go figure!). Interesting, as this ideology is so diffused in the Western world, this simple idea that more work means more product and this should produce “more jobs” and more “money for the workers”, and workers are lazy!

1. A Technological Economy needs less and less work structurally, it is made up of “services”, tertiary sector, and work and jobs in these sectors don’t follow a simple cause and effect logic like “manufacturing and factories”, the more you work the more you “produce”, since these sectors don’t produce anything (only fluff and power relationships). A lot of work is automated, optimized either directly or indirectly (computers, software, internet), globalized (factories that work 24 hours a day, anywhere worldwide), there is an ever increasing number of people available to do the labor (all of the North Africans trying to escape and enter in Europe) and other structural, objective reasons, that the genius politician of Brunetta can’t figure out (or makes believe he can’t figure it out).

2. An entire generation of Southern European kids studied in colleges and followed “masters” and so many other qualifications (and even the North Africans are college degreed) hoping to land “high quality”, “high level services” or technological jobs, but these jobs don’t exist and will never exist: it was a lie, the only sectors that offer work are the same old sectors that have been around all of us for decades, but these sectors, being optimized and automated, offer less and less work.

So the politician says there are 4 million low level manual jobs the kids don’t want to do, well then why did the kids have to study ? to do these jobs ? They were lied to, why do the economists and politicians repeat, like a mantra, that they needed more college graduates ? And even if they decide to do those low level jobs, you have to fire and kick out of work all those presently doing those jobs, so this is the goal, a fight amongst the poor. There are still 5 million jobs that are not there anyways.

Everything they said was a lie, the economy doesn’t generate jobs because they are not needed, abstract, fluff jobs are not needed, no one is going to pay people to produce “abstractions”, but in the meanwhile the third world immigrants have landed all those low level jobs and the kids are cut out of both kinds of jobs, low level jobs and imaginary high level jobs. And they get insulted by Brunetta.

We need a radical Deflation, we need the prices of all goods to go way down, house rents 100 dollars a month (and house prices 50,000 dollars at most), store rents the same, even in big important cities like Rome, Milan, Madrid, Paris, New York, Tokyo, etc. And the central banks and governments must print trillions of dollars of money and hire 20 million young kinds in Europe (and the USA) in government jobs to do research (and even if they do nothing at all who cares, there is no way the number of jobs that are needed will be produced by “the invisible” hand of the market) at 800 dollars a month, it can be done, it would only cost 200 billion dollars a year, in an economy that is 10,000 billion dollars a year.

But especially we have to get rid of the “profit motive”; the myth of “investment”, people buying bonds and debts, and investing in real estate, etc. If people can save some money, just put it on your bank account and don’t let it do anything, it should be against the law to buy debts, and bonds, the whole concept of profit and investments and debts is a huge BS turd.

The street fights in Greece are the result of this investment and profit myth, and only the weak and workers and poor pay for it, so what we need is a huge worldwide default on all debts, tell the rich to go fly a kite, no more debts, and profits and investments, how I hope they all default, finally free from this huge block of cement holding down millions of people, with the scare of economies blowing up because some turds (all of us, as we are all sinners ?) had “to profit” and make money off “investments”!

But Brunetta’s ideology wants people to fight each other, a war between the poor, what better way to induce violence and hate and the desire to beat up someone by saying that they are “lazy” and “don’t want to work”, etc. This linearity is so comforting to the mind, this instinct is such a simple cause and effect mechanism, it is so easy to finally blame someone and beat them up, everybody loves this talk, finally free to beat someone up and hate them with all your guts, cool isn’t it ?

But even if the kids decide to become low level manual workers, the next day all of a sudden, only high level college degreed jobs will all of a sudden become “needed”. But the kids will never be able to guess the right jobs “that are needed”, since there are no right jobs, it all just hides a fight, a power struggle, the class struggle that has always been going on, They want to convince the kids and workers that it is always “their fault” since they “guessed the wrong job” (along with debts to pay colleges).

But we are simply fights, A against B, that is the only story behind everything, there is no objective, “scientific” economy, only instincts, and fights, and the desire to beat someone up, Rich beat up Poor, strong beats up weak, until they exchange positions (therefore hose the mind - brain, design a different and better one).

From:

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From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/a-dist … ing-1.html

Right Wing Thug says:

“Hey Spider you’re putting a lot of time and effort into your posts but it is just a waste BECAUSE NOBODY IS READING YOUR LUNATIC BULLSHIT!!! So get a f----g job!”

I answer:

You see, it’s just a fight, A against B. In a sense, the blog is a better representation of that abstract “common world”, that imaginary common space where the truth lies, where what is right and correct lies (or lies in as saying a lie?) that imaginary space everybody wants to take control over, that abstract plane and space where truth or right (as opposed to wrong) must exist and express itself, and in fact, in this case you can follow the fight, a block of text, an attempt at a response (almost always contradicting it in some way, but sometimes aggregating on to it, as we are now agreed and together on this, only to break up later on some other issue, and so forth and so on).

Only, there is no common space, there is no external reality, only instantaneous status challenges, power struggles, instantaneous actions and reactions, you do A, I do B, fights, contrasts and contrasting Will Powers, Reciprocal Information Relationships, Reciprocal Measurements and associated Definitions of chunks of Information (and will powers ? and minds ? and brains - people ?) colliding with each other. But by my method of “Will Power Achieved”, I always win everything, since it is assigned as won, and everyone else always loses, no matter what, even if they perfectly agree with me, I want to be a hog, a winning hog, that takes the prize all for myself.

Pissed Off Loser

I’m a pissed off loser, I can’t stand the fact that house prices are so high in big important cities, and practically everywhere! Why do they have to cost so much ? I hate their guts, I would crack their heads open with a baseball bat when they ask for more than 100 dollars a month rent or more than 50,000 dollars for a 1,200 sqft or 100 sqm house in the center of New York, Paris, Tokyo, London or even “Paris, Texas”! Why do they do this to me ? Why do they punish me like this ? Why can’t I win ? How I would love and hope that house prices and real estate, everywhere in the world would become worth a few pennies, I would like to beat them up so badly, that represents a power relationship where I am the loser since I don’t have that cash. Why am I so angry, and frustrated and would like to jump on everyone and kill and destroy everyone and everything because of this remote, metaphysical power relationship that the market magically assigns as objective scientific, etc ?

Then I do like JHK, he hates cars (but probably loves them, but is afraid to say so to himself because the mind is that huge clusterphk of self contradiction always, is a mathematical mistake, all of that Freud and psychoanalysis stuff, the trillion minds all conflicting making up one mind and so on, what a huge turd, and then they say “human nature”, but if human nature is just a huge turd, a logical mistake, a one transistor circuit (good/bad: pain/pleasure) that is worth less than zero, what is there to know or appreciate ? Kill the mind brain, end of story!) and invents that story of some structural limit that will eliminate them, no more oil, and tries to win a game he already lost, hoping that the structural limit makes him right, but he will lose, cars will run on anything from methane to electricity, but there will be ever more cars and oil isn’t running out, it is just wishful thinking.

So I keep on thinking and inventing al kinds of excuses to why eventually real estate prices will go down, should go down, there are no jobs that can guarantee a 20 year mortgage, if so much money is pumped into paying for a box (a house is just a box, they should have been free by now!), there isn’t any left for other economic endeavors, and so forth and all kinds of seemingly logical thoughts that bring me to think that real estate will go down, etc. Nothing Further from the Truth, they will keep on going up, ever more so because they represent something else, not the turdy box that it is, but the power relationship, who can force who to need and buy a house, who is on the winning side and who is on the losing side: and I am on the losing side, no way jose’ that some structural limit will make me win, I lost from the get go, I am a loser from the outset, end of story.

And I am envious and hate people with all of my guts, why do they get to have it and not me ? Why are there young, and pretty and rich people enjoying and not me ? I hate their guts, let it all hang out, be yourself, hate freely, be envious, say the truth, you are a puny loser, ugly, Impotent (sexually, psychologically, you name it), old and very weak, without cash (because I didn’t “work hard enough”, or “don’t deserve it”, ok, true, but then I would love to just rob it from you, crap who wins making me lose!), others have it all and crush you, now go on, rub it in, go on be angry pissed off loser, envious, hate and kill and hope they all die and get crushed. And everyone judges you badly, in the worst possible way, go on, all the worst possible judgments are against you, go on, rub it in. There, now I said it.

Any hot gals out there ? Never mind I can barely get up, I can barely sustain the next heart beat, I am old Impotent, a piece of trash and turd (kill everyone, how I hate people and Man and everyone, I would nuke the whole world, If I can’t get it, no one will get it, hate and envy free to flow and express itself, so cool!) Just give it to me or just lie to me it’s ok, all right, I will lie to myself, I got it anyways, you see I always win, I won (but I know I am a loser, a pissed off loser), but if I didn’t lie to myself, I would have had to put a hole in my head a long time ago.

So you want to communicate QSHTICK (and all you others, actually everyone on earth, I only have to say the same thing to all) ? OK, why do you suck so much ? why are you an aswipe, why are you a phtrd (thanks tootise - fabian for teaching me all the words everyone on earth deserves, since they are all turds) ? Ok, satisfied with this communication ? Why do people only deserve to be hated on and killed ?

So you never “liked me” ? Well, what is there to like ? I am the voice of the truth, just telling things the way they are, of course you don’t like me, but in reality you don’t like the truth of a crappy system. Beware of Right Wing Thugs that always push an ideological discussion into a personal discussion, if you are talking about work becoming obsolete, they will answer you are a turd, nice to change subjects, they always change the level of discussion, to some personal thing, or something related to puny people, to how bad someone is and so forth, and everyone always falls for it. Since they can’t debate the structural limitation, they just turn on you. But they are right anyways, all of my debates about work, society are just wishful thinking, hoping that there are structural limits that will force things the way I want it, but it will never happen, no matter what, the power structure determines what is, and what is decided already, no matter what logic or structural limits.

Cool the idea of 20 year mortgages, each day at work is judgment day, you never know what is going to hit you since the only thing that exists today is power relationships (the work to be done not only is not needed, but is simply an excuse to express a power relationship), the strong love to keep the weak on thin ice, always worried, they love to torture the poor workers, knowing that in just one second they can hose them, that is why real estate costs so much, it is something solid that somehow you can rely on, in a way, even though it is simply a proxy for power relationships. But that is why the prices also go up, the more the risk of being hosed at work and not being able to pay the mortgage, the more the mortgage should go up, what a contorted huge pile of crap this economic system is, what a huge turd and pile of crap Man is with his mind and fights and conflicts, always only A against B, what a piece of crap. Hate it with all of your guts!

Property, it is like going to church, it is a totem, the cross, something to worship, and you hope that the value of the house increases, a number that gives you more power, power you can exercise against another poor slob that needs a house etc. It is a religion, worship the box, it means you can beat someone else with that proxy power relationship that is the worth of property.

But when it goes up by itself, that is make believe value, that increase is directly robbing it from the weaker classes, so go on, appreciate the box.

Same with everything else, you got that pretty gal, you have won that status and power challenge, you win, you got this and that, your money (an abstract number meaning how much you are winning, how much you win) is a proxy of how much you win compared to another: it is always a comparison game, a numbers game, and the story of all your wins, a keeping the score, but when you die the score becomes zero, no one is really keeping score, the score doesn’t exist.

All I write and say is a lie, is me trying to win and convince myself that I can win a game I already lost BIG TIME; I am a Pissed Off Loser, ok, I know, I didn’t work hard enough (too lazy), I don’t have the skills (too crappy, worthless crap I am, ok, I accept it) I know, rub it in, go on, punish me, challenge and win me, go on, do it.

But then, why do I feel the urge to just rob it and take it all away from the winners ? why do I want to just break the rules and hog it all up not deserving anything ? I want to force it, but I am a pussy whip…

From:

kunstler.com/blog/2011/06/a-dist … ing-1.html

Dead End

Thanks for comparing me to a dead end exit over fly over country in the US. In fact it is a dead end, we are at a dead end: and we are exiting this universe by creating a modified mind that ends this world and enters another, a real dead end exit.

On another note the US spent 3,000 billion dollars for the banks, same for the EU, they could have hired, together 60 million young kids in research, government jobs for 10 years paying them 800 dollars a month, and giving them a cheap 100 dollars a month rent with all the empty homes in both continents. So don’t give me the excuse that free salaries and cheap rents can’t be done. They don’t want to do it, and everyone plays along, thinking that the kids “have to deserve it”, “they have to work for it”, “they are lazy” and so on and so forth, they all believe the huge deceptions that the ruling class and economists have been telling everyone for years, first they need high precision machine tools guys, then engineers, then someone to pick potatoes in the fields, you name it, whatever you are, you are in the “wrong” labor sector, with the “wrong” skill set. And they hit on Greece because they “retire too early”, what punks and cocks all these Right Wing Thugs are, so the banks and Wall Street instead deserve it right ? The companies that outsourced millions of jobs to China and India deserve the profits right ? Go blow!

The dog and pony show that they hire in the South of the US because there are no unions: what idiots those who believe all of this BS, as if corporations are afraid of puny unions and the peanut salaries workers make! They just want to put on a show, they want to express their ideological position by calling the cards and making up the excuses, and since they have the power and decide everything, even what the truth is and reality is, everybody buys into the ruling class BS. They have the power to invent and brainwash everyone with a never ending array of excuses, pensions are entitlements, medical is costing so much, you are not innovative and competitive, the debts and on and on, but they hog trillions and there is never any money left for anything else: what punks.

The truth is that since work is no longer necessary and needed, since labor no longer can condition anyone, since workers can’t put on any kind of constraint on the bosses and corporations, since labor is irrelevant, not needed, an option, the ruling class can freely express their power and free will, and that is what they do: automation didn’t free workers, it made them become slaves of the arbitrary will powers and decisions of bosses who have so much fun expressing their total power and conflicting the will powers of powerless workers, since their services are no longer needed, they can do without, now it is all fun and games for the ruling class and bosses, play around and terrorize workers, lay them off, do everything you want, workers have been 100 % defeated, and everyone plays along with it and agrees with the ruling class, as they have been totally brainwashed.

That is why we need government, a machine to hire millions and give them free salaries and cheap rents, the bosses are all out to express their Free Will that has become infinite in power, since work has been rendered obsolete, not needed, an option, something to play around with and hose and hose forever the weaker class.

Read:

michael-hudson.com/2011/06/how-a … s-written/

And the Right Wing Thugs are still busting everyone’s balls about workers costing too much, not innovative, not competitive, etc. Really insane stuff, we need a civil war to get all our money back and fast!