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Postby Stoic Guardian » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:34 pm

We citizens of the U.S. have taken on (for the last few hundred years) the title of America and Americans when referring to our nation and countrymen respectively.

Most Europeans, Asians and Africans do the same.

But we seem to have offended our fellow continentals, particularly those south of the U.S Border who believe we are misusing the moniker.

What (if anything) should be done about this?

I like the Name myself and a majority of the world uses it in the same way as we U.S. citizans do.

If not America(ns) whats the alternative?

Yankees? Those living in the south and west would most likely be slower to embrace the title than those living in the northeast. Personally I don't mind it but I think many others might.

United Statesian? United Statesmen? They don't particularly roll off the tounge.
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Re: America

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:44 pm

Well, we usually use gringo, but I see how that might not work...

North american usually does the trick. After all, Canada and the US are extremely similar cultures and nobody really asociates Mexico with north America.

I dunno man, your country desperatly needs a name.
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Re: America

Postby Stoic Guardian » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:58 pm

We have one, Some just seem to take issue with it.

I don't know. :-k

It should probably be taken up in official channels.
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Re: America

Postby d63 » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:08 pm

Do exactly what we're doing now.

I think people attribute a little more to words than they warrant by acting as if they are reality rather than indicators that point to different aspects of reality. They don't have such a magic power that if we continued as we were it would fix us into any present state, anymore than changing it would automatically change the reality that the dissenters associate with our use of it.

It's a lot of nitpicking if you ask me based on a lack of understanding of the Diffe'rance that characterizes language: the shifting, precarious, and unstable nature of meaning.
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Re: America

Postby Trajicomic » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:16 pm

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Re: America

Postby statiktech » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:21 pm

See, this is why I've always been a proponent of the alternative offered to us by the illustrious region of the U.S. known as the 'Bible belt.'

'Merican.

Isn't it about time we dropped that horribly impractical, not to mention antiquated, capital "A"? I don't even understand why we bother with it. I mean, we've got another "a" right there at the end. Do we really need two or are we just being selfish?
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Re: America

Postby Stoic Guardian » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:41 pm

No No No, the "A" give the word it's Power and character.

Hell our countrymen have fought so many wars under the name I think we've earned it.
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Re: America

Postby Kriswest » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:13 pm

Why not just use the Initials from United States. US, It is US that is important, it is US that kicks ass, it is US that leads the world.......... I find US very catchy :D
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Re: America

Postby statiktech » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:01 pm

Stoic Guardian wrote:Hell our countrymen have fought so many wars under the name I think we've earned it.


I think you kind of answered your own question here. Would an army of soldiers from Mexico or Canada fight under that same name, or prefer to represent their respective countries? In the same sense, U.S. soldiers prefer to represent their country, America. Not "The Americas", or "North/South America"; just "America." Plus, are we not the only country in 'The Americas' that bears the name of its locality, or continent? We claimed right to the demonym long ago and have marketed the hell out of it since. Even to the extent that Canadians traveling abroad apparently resent being called "American."

Thought you might find this funny, too--

    Wiki wrote:In Spanish, América is the name of a single continent composed of the subcontinents of Sudamérica and Norteamérica, the land bridge of Centroamérica, and the islands of the Antillas. Americano/a in Spanish refers to a person from América in a similar way that europeo or europea refers to a person from Europa. The terms sudamericano/a, centroamericano/a, antillano/a and norteamericano/a can be used to more specifically refer to the location where a person may live.

    Citizens of the United States of America are normally referred to by the term estadounidense (rough literal translation: "United Statesian")
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Re: America

Postby Trajicomic » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:03 pm

The rest of the continent should change their name if they don't like it. We are AMERICANS, FUCK YEAH!!!!
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Re: America

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:11 pm

d63 wrote:Do exactly what we're doing now.

I think people attribute a little more to words than they warrant by acting as if they are reality rather than indicators that point to different aspects of reality. They don't have such a magic power that if we continued as we were it would fix us into any present state, anymore than changing it would automatically change the reality that the dissenters associate with our use of it.

It's a lot of nitpicking if you ask me based on a lack of understanding of the Diffe'rance that characterizes language: the shifting, precarious, and unstable nature of meaning.


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Re: America

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:13 pm

statiktech wrote:See, this is why I've always been a proponent of the alternative offered to us by the illustrious region of the U.S. known as the 'Bible belt.'

'Merican.

Isn't it about time we dropped that horribly impractical, not to mention antiquated, capital "A"? I don't even understand why we bother with it. I mean, we've got another "a" right there at the end. Do we really need two or are we just being selfish?


My god that's it! You guys ar 'Mericans!

I'll settle for 'Mericans if you say US or United States or USA or United States of America instead of America when refering to your country.
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Re: America

Postby Trajicomic » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:26 pm

AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT PEZER.

LOVE IT.....OR LEAVE IT!

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Re: America

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:32 pm

Trajicomic wrote:AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT PEZER.

LOVE IT.....OR LEAVE IT!



I leave it every time I finally get through the connection to get to Canada.

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Re: America

Postby Calrid » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:57 pm



I think this answers your question. :)

Usians is a good alternative, a strange race from a galaxy far far away, that have come to inhabit Earth for many diverse reasons, of which there is no small blame on us. Although they would claim they are not natives to "Planet Earth". ;)

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Re: America

Postby statiktech » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:41 pm

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statiktech wrote:See, this is why I've always been a proponent of the alternative offered to us by the illustrious region of the U.S. known as the 'Bible belt.'

'Merican.

Isn't it about time we dropped that horribly impractical, not to mention antiquated, capital "A"? I don't even understand why we bother with it. I mean, we've got another "a" right there at the end. Do we really need two or are we just being selfish?


My god that's it! You guys ar 'Mericans!

I'll settle for 'Mericans if you say US or United States or USA or United States of America instead of America when refering to your country.


Wait... we'd be doing the settling. The only people who would actually be happy to be 'Merican would also be happy to eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner in a Walmart McDonald's. Barefoot.

Just curious -- why the concern over how U.S. citizens refer to their country?
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Re: America

Postby Calrid » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:45 pm

Pezer wrote:
statiktech wrote:See, this is why I've always been a proponent of the alternative offered to us by the illustrious region of the U.S. known as the 'Bible belt.'

'Merican.

Isn't it about time we dropped that horribly impractical, not to mention antiquated, capital "A"? I don't even understand why we bother with it. I mean, we've got another "a" right there at the end. Do we really need two or are we just being selfish?


My god that's it! You guys ar 'Mericans!

I'll settle for 'Mericans if you say US or United States or USA or United States of America instead of America when refering to your country.


Merkins is the new webology accepted meme.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=merkin

That said it does have other connotations, but merkins is the word not merkin.
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Re: America

Postby Calrid » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:48 pm

statiktech wrote:
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statiktech wrote:See, this is why I've always been a proponent of the alternative offered to us by the illustrious region of the U.S. known as the 'Bible belt.'

'Merican.

Isn't it about time we dropped that horribly impractical, not to mention antiquated, capital "A"? I don't even understand why we bother with it. I mean, we've got another "a" right there at the end. Do we really need two or are we just being selfish?


My god that's it! You guys ar 'Mericans!

I'll settle for 'Mericans if you say US or United States or USA or United States of America instead of America when refering to your country.


Wait... we'd be doing the settling. The only people who would actually be happy to be 'Merican would also be happy to eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner in a Walmart McDonald's. Barefoot.

Just curious -- why the concern over how U.S. citizens refer to their country?


Not sure it's probably because there is more than one country on the Americas, In fact there are dozens. Hence America is imprecise, even North American falls short. Some people are anal, some people are Canadian. Some people just think that if you're going to delineate you might as well make it PC, to avoid confusion and of course forestall the next war between Canada and China. I mean how would you as Usians pick sides in the coming war? Side with Canada? What have they done for you lately. ;)
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Re: America

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:54 pm

The Americas is a stupid fucking term merkins came up with to allow themselves to continue talking like idiots who eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner in a Walmart McDonald's. Barefoot.

Let me tell you something, the guy who sailed his ass over here wasen't called Americas Vespucio, it was Americo. And then the o was changed to a because a continent is feminine. That's right, the name you are using now has more to do with Spanish than English.
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Re: America

Postby FilmSnob » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:55 pm

I will stop this anti-gringo tirade now before it gets ugly, so I'll take my leave and be thankeful for the word merkin, which I will now use.
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Re: America

Postby statiktech » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:13 am

Yeah, I get that. But it's just a matter of clarification. If someone describes himself, or someone else, as "Asian", I don't literally think the person is from the entirety of Asia. I'd ask what part or what country if I wanted to get more specific.

If I told someone I was "American" and he asked me to be more specific, I'd oblige. As far as I'm concerned, anyone from any part of the Americas can call themselves "American." I won't be bothered. I sense a tinge of cultural resentment underpinning a trivial concern like that, which is what I'm more curious about.

You can call me "Cap'n 'Merica" if makes you feel better, Pezer. The bigotry is coming from your end, not mine.
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Re: America

Postby statiktech » Thu Feb 02, 2012 3:24 am

That's right, the name you are using now has more to do with Spanish than English.


Interesting. But why should this bother or concern me in the slightest? If the name we are using has more to do with Spanish culture, which you seem to have an affinity for, why would you have a problem with it?

This is all obviously very rational and sophisticated. I beg you aid my feeble understanding.
   
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Re: America

Postby Trajicomic » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:34 am

Usian, I like that. You're a genius, whoever created that! :banana-dance:

Merican is not so cool.
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Re: America

Postby Calrid » Thu Feb 02, 2012 1:46 pm

Trajicomic wrote:Usian, I like that. You're a genius, whoever created that! :banana-dance:

Merican is not so cool.


I have no idea who created but it is definitely web derived. :-k

Pezer wrote:I will stop this anti-gringo tirade now before it gets ugly, so I'll take my leave and be thankeful for the word merkin, which I will now use.


I don't know it made me laugh but that's probably because I aitent merkin.
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Re: America

Postby PavlovianModel146 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 1:33 am

Stoic Guardian wrote:We citizens of the U.S. have taken on (for the last few hundred years) the title of America and Americans when referring to our nation and countrymen respectively.

Most Europeans, Asians and Africans do the same.

But we seem to have offended our fellow continentals, particularly those south of the U.S Border who believe we are misusing the moniker.

What (if anything) should be done about this?

I like the Name myself and a majority of the world uses it in the same way as we U.S. citizans do.

If not America(ns) whats the alternative?

Yankees? Those living in the south and west would most likely be slower to embrace the title than those living in the northeast. Personally I don't mind it but I think many others might.

United Statesian? United Statesmen? They don't particularly roll off the tounge.


I'm just going to call myself an Ohioan, then I no longer have to be associated with those from the fucking South. Except Smears, he's cool, and Slick Willie Clinton, but that's about it.
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