Menial Slavery In Our Own Time

[James L Walker]

This is a thread I plan on discussing the phenomena of modern slavery where I will write my thoughts about the subject from time to time.

Modern slavery is of course menial wage slavery and it exists everywhere without question by society that generally looks the other way.

I feel confident about writing on this topic as it is a lifestyle I have lived through for a very long time.

The greatest slaves of course are those that deludes themselves to be free.

Modern slavery of course differs from that of ancient versions in that as a modern slave you are payed and compensated. Of course what you are payed is very little and with taxation or paying off basic monthly expenses you are left with hardly anything at all where the lack of ownership of course is just another mark of slavery.

Not only are you payed very little but the jobs of menial slaves are the most miserable, dull, and labor intensive. You are literally forced to survive and exist doing a miserable oppressive job that you cannot stand.

Nothing is of course more fascist than the work environment in that the manager to the employee is the supreme dictator.

If you of course do not obey and perform such jobs you are threatened to be homeless or a ostracized nonperson which is why many obey grudgingly accepting their own slavery.

If you rebel acting violently towards the state and the rest of society you are classified as a criminal where you become imprisoned or executed.

Since the state practically claims ownership of the family with the children in it that is just another way modern slavery is enforced getting people to accept being the menial slaves of others. Get out of line and they can take your children away from you for instance.

[Flannel Jesus]

Modern slavery of course differs from that of ancient versions in that as a modern slave you are payed and compensated.

The other major difference is that you can choose to quit working for your employer. Most slaves didn't have that luxury.

[James L Walker]

Modern slavery of course differs from that of ancient versions in that as a modern slave you are payed and compensated.

The other major difference is that you can choose to quit working for your employer. Most slaves didn't have that luxury.

As a modern slave your only choice is to quit the current plantation you work on and work for another corporate plantation owner or be homeless ostracized as a outcasted nonperson within society.

The illusion of free choice and overall so called freedom.

[Flannel Jesus]

I don't really agree with such a light usage of the word slavery. It really debases the meaning of it. Real slaves are dragged from their homes and whipped and forced to work. That's different from actually deliberately going to macdonalds and applying for a job. There's a real, fundamental difference there.

[James L Walker]

I don't really agree with such a light usage of the word slavery. It really debases the meaning of it. Real slaves are dragged from their homes and whipped and forced to work. That's different from actually deliberately going to macdonalds and applying for a job. There's a real, fundamental difference there.

There is a difference between old world slavery and new world slavery since today's version is merely more evolved.

Modern slavery is very subtle but similar to old world slavery.

Modern slavery is more sophisticated.

You don't need a violent physical presence to enslave modern slaves in that they are enslaved through wages.

You don't for instance have to control their mobility or area where they live because the wages they are enslaved through does all of that without the need of a physical presence.

Everything is controlled by income where there is no need of a physical person with a whip.

There is not much need of physical force in modern slavery in that everything is more psychological or mental.

Where old world slavery and new world slavery stays the same is that people are forced to survive miserably against their will just to exist by others.

Modern slaves are just as exploited today just like yesterday's slaves.

Just because today's slaves are enslaved by the usage of money instead of the brutality of weapons or actual chains does not make it any less real.

[Flannel Jesus]

Unless you can coherently and intelligently explain why I should consider it slavery, I don't see any reason to.

[James L Walker]

Unless you can coherently and intelligently explain why I should consider it slavery, I don't see any reason to.

Until you can provide me evidence or argument that slavery is not pervasive in modern society I think you are full of shit. You must be very sheltered to not see it everywhere around you.

[Flannel Jesus]

Ah, so you can't intelligently explain it. That's what I was looking for.

[James L Walker]

Ah, so you can't intelligently explain it. That's what I was looking for.

How can you deny what I have said in this thread? You won't even construct a argument or rebuttal.

[Flannel Jesus]

How? How can I have the gall to not believe something that you refuse to provide an argument for? How dare I question your conclusions! How dare I! I'm sick, huh? I'm a sick fuck. I should be taught a lesson - never contradict the almighty Joker. Never ever! Accept what he says without question goddamnit!

No. You said it's slavery, it's time to say why. I've said why I don't think it's slavery, now it's your turn.

[James L Walker]

How? How can I have the gall to not believe something that you refuse to provide an argument for? How dare I question your conclusions! How dare I! I'm sick, huh? I'm a sick fuck. I should be taught a lesson - never contradict the almighty Joker. Never ever! Accept what he says without question goddamnit!

No. You said it's slavery, it's time to say why. I've said why I don't think it's slavery, now it's your turn.

Did you not read the motherfucking original post of this thread?

Kiss ass! Where are your well presented arguments to the contrary?

[SIATD v2]

I don't really agree with such a light usage of the word slavery. It really debases the meaning of it. Real slaves are dragged from their homes and whipped and forced to work. That's different from actually deliberately going to macdonalds and applying for a job. There's a real, fundamental difference there.

There is a difference between old world slavery and new world slavery since today's version is merely more evolved.

[Flannel Jesus]

i did read the op. didn't find what i was looking for.

[James L Walker]

i did read the op. didn't find what i was looking for.

Bullshit.

We both agree society is largely inequal.

I do not understand why people have such a inability to admit that modern slavery exists everywhere. I think it has to deal with people's inability or non-desire to look at humanity's and their own individual wretchedness. Denial is powerful.

At any rate I can see the problems of admitting the existence of modern slavery since after all postulating it's existence would mean that morality, ethics, law, and all foundations of government is bullshit by default.

This is why people through their own denial need the illusion of fairness and justice so that those concepts and continuance of government is maintained. People want to believe in a lie so the illusion is maintained.

[Flannel Jesus]

I agree that slavery exists pretty much everywhere, I just don't agree with you about who the "slave owners" are. Pav offered you a job recently, if I remember correctly -- if we're to judge by your writings in this thread, that makes Pav your master and you his slave. By your standards of what constitutes a slave, that's an accurate categorization. By my standards, it's not. By my standards, Pav's just a good-willed guy who gave you an offer.

[Stoic Guardian]

Joker, always stretching the definiton of words to encompass all he dislikes so that he can more easily demonize it.

[James L Walker]

I agree that slavery exists pretty much everywhere, I just don't agree with you about who the "slave owners" are. Pav offered you a job recently, if I remember correctly -- if we're to judge by your writings in this thread, that makes Pav your master and you his slave. By your standards of what constitutes a slave, that's an accurate categorization. By my standards, it's not. By my standards, Pav's just a good-willed guy who gave you an offer.

The slave owners are the business owners. Of course there is a lot of professional middle men that helps out the slave owners that may not be owners themselves but instead just the professional hired help that maintain the corporate plantations.

The modern slave class consists of the unskilled labor workforce.

The unskilled labor force is the sacrificial disposable class. It is the slave class.

At any rate my relationship with Pav is simple.

I am a unemployed financially broke slave with a pregnant fiance where I could face homelessness as a nonperson any day now if things do not improve quick enough where I have to worry about my unborn child being taken away from me by the state if I do not find a corporate plantation of some kind to take charge of myself in paying me minimal wages to subsist for me and my family.

As a professional middle man Pav is nice enough to give me an offer of employment since he can always give it to somebody else for the position needing to be filled which would make my situation much worse if he did. It is that simple really.

That would make Pav the professional middle man and the corporate hotel my master with myself charged within it's service.

The distinction of course between slaves and non-slaves is income or how much mobility they have within their work place or community.

[Flannel Jesus]

The slave owners are the business owners.

All business owners?

[James L Walker]

The slave owners are the business owners.

All business owners?

Yes. That is how this inequal master slave society functions.

[Flannel Jesus]

That's retarded Joker. All business owners are slave owners. Come on, really? Really?

[phyllo]

I am a unemployed financially broke slave with a pregnant fiance where I could face homelessness as a nonperson any day now if things do not improve quick enough where I have to worry about my unborn child being taken away from me by the state if I do not find a corporate plantation of some kind to take charge of myself in paying me minimal wages to subsist for me and my family.

As a professional middle man Pav is nice enough to give me an offer of employment since he can always give it to somebody else for the position needing to be filled which would make my situation much worse if he did. It is that simple really.

Why don't you stop posting, get on the bus and two days from now you can be a (dis)contented slave with a steady income.

[James L Walker]

That's retarded Joker. All business owners are slave owners. Come on, really? Really?

Yes, because every business employs some level of menial slavery.

Sometimes it is not on site where it is off site but menial slaves are employed everywhere. You do not know this probably because you like so many others take advantage of the status quo as a given.

[Flannel Jesus]

Well, for anybody else reading this thread, I don't need to say any more. You've made my case for me Mr. Joker.

[James L Walker]

I am a unemployed financially broke slave with a pregnant fiance where I could face homelessness as a nonperson any day now if things do not improve quick enough where I have to worry about my unborn child being taken away from me by the state if I do not find a corporate plantation of some kind to take charge of myself in paying me minimal wages to subsist for me and my family.

As a professional middle man Pav is nice enough to give me an offer of employment since he can always give it to somebody else for the position needing to be filled which would make my situation much worse if he did. It is that simple really.

Why don't you stop posting, get on the bus and two days from now you can be a (dis)contented slave with a steady income.

I am in arrangements with Pav still on the phone not that it is anybody elses business.

Even as a discontented slave with a steady minimum income I will keep posting.

[James L Walker]

Well, for anybody else reading this thread, I don't need to say any more. You've made my case for me Mr. Joker.

More denial followed by useless conjecture and ad hominems.

Still waiting on your argument or rebuttal against....

I won't hold my breath.