Unconditional

[nameta9]

Unconditional

The worldwide economy needs only one thing: to give out scott free salaries (800 dollars a month) and cheap rents (200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom house) to all 8 billion people worldwide, bar none. The surviving of people must no longer depend on any conditons and conditionals like you must work to survive; this is a flawed ideology and no longer works in a worldwide Technological Economy that doesn't and will no longer create jobs, no matter what anyone thinks, since the technological economy structurally is eliminating as many jobs as possible and will end up eliminating all of them no matter what your mental model thinks is operating.

There are only so many possible real jobs people can perform no matter what anyone thinks, there are only maybe at most 1,000 sectors worldwide and maybe at most 10,000 workers for each sector, so at most 10 million people can work in real meaningful and productive jobs producing real stuff and not hot air and fairy tale services and high real estate prices and high health care costs and such all other BS.

Actually I have a hard time imaging more than 3 or 4 sectors no matter what, cars, houses, TVs, computers and some other manufacturing stuff, health care, schools (but education is another fairy tale, abstract, impossible to judge BS services trash, etc.), cops and a few others so where on earth are all the jobs worldwide going to come from ? they won't, they will never come back, the worldwide population is destined to be idle and have nothing to do no matter what.

So the deal is to give out free salaries and homes to all to survive and to still keep some of the consumer economy rolling since there is no alternative. And especially, when they all talk about Investments and such crap! There is nothing left to invest in anymore, very few endeavors can bring any return in an old, saturated, optimized and Technological Economy hell bent on eliminating labor in all of its forms. And especially the idea that investments will "create jobs": are they all sick in the head or what ? exactly what investments by hiring people can give anyone any return anymore ? totally sick and crazy people that still talk about all of this BS, there is nothing left, no investment and job creation is possible anymore, it is the end of the story, the end of the line.

So the deal is to give out free stuff Unconditionally, without any condition, so as to not create power structures, inequality and the desire to repress others to obtain some imaginary gain when all of this is no longer even necessary or worthwhile.

As a side note, the reasons why the economy went to hell is also simply all of Our Fault: we allowed health care costs to skyrocket and no one said or did anything, everyone should have refused to pay anything over a 100 dollars for anything health related, we allowed property prices to go sky high thinking that that would make everyone rich, what BS, no one should have bought houses at those prices, we allowed to create debts in all sectors, public and private with the illusion of being able to pay them back by a future "growing econmy" (by magic in other words) when no debts should have been ever made and such. So now, suck it all up, everyone in the EU and USA and JAPAN made the same idiotic mistakes, now it is payback time.

[MagsJ]

Isn't what you are proposing akin to Communism... or Dubai

[nameta9]

Read all of my past posts very carefully, we must redesign the Mind and change the Man Brain to create a non conflicting machine.

And also:

http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/04/as-if- ... tters.html

http://instantsingularity1.blogspot.it

http://instantsingularity3.blogspot.it

[MagsJ]

I actually agree with you, as I have always thought that the basic human need for food and shelter should be met - that would then amount to a global welfare system, which isn't that unfeasible if some countries already have it.

...but you didn't laugh at the 'or Dubai' gag

[brevel_monkey]

The worldwide economy needs only one thing: to give out scott free salaries (800 dollars a month) and cheap rents (200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom house) to all 8 billion people worldwide, bar none.

If this happened, people would sit at home having more and more children. Most of those children would survive and be well fed and healthy. The resulting population boom could eventually push the whole world to starvation.

(btw, 200 dollars a month for a 3 bedroom house is not 'cheap rent' where I live - it would be quite expensive)

Anyway, it won't happen, because no one could possibly afford it.

[MagsJ]

I was going to mention the over-population factor, seeing that we are there already, but I couldn't be bothered until someone brought it up - offspring could always be limited to two per family?

[SIATD v2]

I was going to mention the over-population factor, seeing that we are there already, but I couldn't be bothered until someone brought it up - offspring could always be limited to two per family?

Another eugenicist myth...

[nameta9]

You can see the deception so clearly by just looking at Europe and all of the debates and political fights they are having in Spain, Italy and Greece over "Labor Laws": why all the emphasis on the problems of hiring and firing people ? why all of the resistance to hiring ? simple: there simply is not any work available for anyone anymore, the game is over, so what they are saying is simply we will hire only if we can easily fire, since it is a given that what they all mostly will do and and have to do or just want to do for fun, just out of boredom, is to fire, mostly fire, and fire with pleasure, but they don't want any pesky "Labor Laws" interfering with their field day of hiring and firing and all of that BS. And why ? because there is no possible investment that can give any profit anymore by "hiring people" to do no one knows what, since there is absolutely nothing left to do in most work environments given the level of optimization, automation, outsourcing, and you name it achieved by a Technological Economy.

So what the powers that be do is put the blame squarely always on workers and some problems and shortcomings the workers have, since they have no idea on how to distribute all the huge profits corporations are making (also known as free wealth a technological economy provides by automation and huge use of energy and all such as in the creation of an Infinite Resource Society but they must hide this fact very carefully by pitting everyone against everyone else and such, especially all the weaker classes against other weaker classes) since there is nothing left for people to do at jobs and there will be no work available for anyone anymore in the future no matter what they all say, they invent all kinds of excuses to not give out the profits unconditionally and for free to all.

But, alas, it is all useless, the Man Brain can only follow a predetermined Ape Man and Stone Age path of conflict and must simply be hosed and changed into a new non conflicting and fighting machine.

In the meanwhile, we must give out free salaries to all, cheap rents and build trillions of skyscrapers and spaceships and such. And overpopulation is a myth, and even in the worst case, the world can host thousands of trillions of people in trillions of high tech skyscrapers, and trillions of people are needed to explore the Solar System and inhabit Mars and Venus and such, and there could be trillions of hobby factories worldwide where people put in some time building skyscrapers and spaceships as a hobby, maybe just one or two hours a day (but if you want you can stay all day and all night long and such), etc.

check out:

http://www.salon.com/2010/04/19/populat ... h_ext2010/

and also all of my posts on the Resource Scarcity Myths and such...

THUS SPOKE THE APESTER

[MagsJ]

I was going to mention the over-population factor, seeing that we are there already, but I couldn't be bothered until someone brought it up - offspring could always be limited to two per family?

Another eugenicist myth...

isn't this an option rather than a myth? or if you are going with myth.. then do please explain why you think that...?

Edited to add: 26-04-12 @ 13.17
Oh, you mean that the premise that the planet is over-populated being bandied around is a myth? for the sake of a modern-day genocidal culling?

[nameta9]

We are excess capacity achieved by the outset: compared to how many action reaction circuits we must respond to (very few), how many emergencies in pain/pleasure events we must apply ourselves to (too few) (in fact we are only a reaction to an action in a circular process, nothing more, just like a carbon molecule is a reaction and reaction to its environment, we are just a bunch of carbon molecules within an action reaction circuit, etc.) we are over sized, we are too much, hence we occupy our minds with millions of indirections and distractions and symbols, always occupied with something else, something far away, something that is not our immediate surrounding, since the immediate surrounding rarely imposes and emergency and full attention and such.

The origin of Religion is exactly this: too much free time available for the Man Brain to think and make things up, hence he creates religions, and all else, all similar items.