Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

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Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby James L Walker » Fri May 18, 2012 8:24 pm

If history is a teacher of anything it is that civilizations rise, exist temporarily, and inevitably always fall. Civilizations are not immune to entropy or the law of thermodynamics.

It is no different in the modern setting despite what nations might naively think of their own false sense of superiority.

What is different now in this era are the weapons of mass death that encompasses modern civilizations. This is the first era of history where collapsing civilizations or societies have the ability of destroying all life on the planet on their ascension to permanent stagnation.

This is new in that previously collapsed civilizations did not have the abilities to do this.

Of course the motto militarily of nations all across the planet is mutually assured destruction of each other in this advent which is only more telling in all of this.
"The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual crime."
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"Laws are made by governments and are enforced by violence." - Leo Tolstoy-

"I am a disciple of chaos. I like to watch civilization burn and despair." - By Me

"Propaganda of the deed." - Bonnot Gang 1912

"My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet airplane. My son's son will ride a camel just like my father before him."- Arab Peak Oil Proverb

"Civilization is nothing more than a globalized overly worshipped farm where the owners violently and oppressively domesticate other human beings like enslaved cattle enforcing the direction of their labors for their own individual profit."- Random Anarcho Primitivist
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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby 0belafekete0 » Sat May 19, 2012 7:17 pm

civilization collapses hertofore usually were the result of attack on 2 fronts: First: an internal collapse strated from within. By a number of factors ----moral-ethical/corruption/ &economic. Second, and external push by attacking legions nationalities and groups to conquer and plunder. These factorrs were recognized even back during the collapse of the Roman Empire, where during the end, conquering people even were elevated to the post of Roman Emperor. However the enemies were too numerous far and wide.--------The United States is using similar techniques, by which, it is accomodating outside nations by mass immigration from various countries/regions-----. The most important process by which equalization of internal and external factors are brought about, is, the internationalization -as a byproduct of multi national corporations........This is new in international relations,-----the linear interpreations have given way to multi probability evaluation, as pragmatism has been extended throughout the world. This makes things different.
Given this, --------there are no forgone conclusions, as regard to how future events are going to go down.
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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby Stoic Guardian » Sat May 19, 2012 7:44 pm

They all collapse...and Rise again...
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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby MagsJ » Sat May 19, 2012 7:52 pm

It does appear that the more we move from ancient times towards modernity, the longer civilisations remain standing - it's almost impossible to imagine our current cities derelict and abandoned, but perhaps their socio-economic structures might prevent that path for once.
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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby MagsJ » Sat May 19, 2012 7:55 pm

Stoic Guardian wrote:They all collapse...and Rise again...
That's a lot of money to see collapse without implementing preventative measures to prohibit this standard.
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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby SIATD v2 » Sun May 20, 2012 10:11 am

I dunno, the Germans seem to have built and collapsed their empire at least three times in the last century or so. They are still chugging along quite merrily.


UNTIL THEY ENCOUNTERED DIDIER DROGBA!!!!!!!

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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby 0belafekete0 » Sun May 20, 2012 10:50 am

They. Were going to buld a 1000 year Reich but it failed. What happened before that and after were just squirmishes. (Regional not global powers) Even the Holy Roman Empire was mostly Austrian.! Hapsburg if you consider that an empire,
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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby MagsJ » Sun May 20, 2012 12:35 pm

SIATD v2 wrote:They are still chugging along quite merrily.


UNTIL THEY ENCOUNTERED DIDIER DROGBA!!!!!!!

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What a great end to a tension-filled match that penalty shoot-out was...
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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby nameta9 » Mon May 21, 2012 2:32 pm

From:

http://kunstler.com/blog/2012/05/dancing-shoes.html

"At some point, the easy energy runs out and people realize that the new model is to do more with less, and scale back, not go chasing down dreams like phantom returns on dubious Facebook stocks.

All this is leading toward an adjustment in the future, when there is no more means of coping and adjustment to changing circumstances. We don't build or plan for these changing circumstances, only get more desperate to preserve our current models. All this means is that when we can no longer sustain them at well, we will collapse, because there is no other model to follow, and this will be the new Dark Age."

The problem is that there is no "New Model". Who says the problems rotate around "Resource Scarcity myths" like Peak Oil or Peak Wealth ? Who can be so sure ? I have often declared that the problem is the exact opposite: we have way too much Money, Wealth, Technology to know what to do with it, we are way too rich compared to what we know what to do with it and compared to what our model of living has always been up until a few decades ago, until the Technological Economy did away with scarcities once and for all and we cannot adjust to living without the need for working (the constraints of limits mankind has always had to deal with, but today these limits are no longer present, they are mostly psychological, political and cultural) since the economy generates wealth automatically, system wide, technologically wide, etc.

The "changing circumstances" are both provoked, invented, created culturally and occurring automatically simultaneously without no one knowing who or what is changing the circumstances and how. No one is in control, no one is deciding anything, it is all automatic, the "events are in the driver's seat at this point" and at the same time we are all creating the circumstances by describing and interpreting reality according to an arbitrary cultural model (the economy must grow, profits must be made, unemployment must drop (and who is to say why ? does this system really need more workers to operate or is the more workers needed only as a wealth distribution mechanism, since money can't simply be given out for free without some kind of excuse to justify it ? especially since this economy is all about consumption and spending and not at all about production and work, nay, the production and work part of it is the easy part, the hard part is to keep people constantly spending and consuming, consumption is way more important than production and labor, bar none)), in other words it becomes intractable, it cannot be followed anymore or it could be followed in any way you want, and hence all of the different opinions, ideas, "interpretations" and "theoretical explanations", macro economic and sociological explanations and such, all the contradicting political choices and movements like the Tea Party opposing the Occupy Wall Street party and such.

So the current model may be coming to an end, but there is no other possible model to substitute it, the only possible model would be Free Salaries to All, Cheap Rents, Huge Public Private projects like Trillions of Skyscrapers, and Trillions of Rockets to Mars and such.

Or any future model is completely arbitrary, is an aesthetical choice, is a random choice of what the majority of the people will want, there is no determinism operating, no necessity for any given model to prevail there is no law of economics that imposes any model and in fact any possible model will do, even no model at all and random chaotic forces going anywhere and ending up anywhere (and then never end up anywhere because they just set the stage for another sequence of events and so forth forever).

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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby James S Saint » Mon May 21, 2012 4:53 pm

nameta9 wrote:The problem is that there is no "New Model". Who says the problems rotate around "Resource Scarcity myths" like Peak Oil or Peak Wealth ? Who can be so sure ? I have often declared that the problem is the exact opposite: we have way too much Money, Wealth, Technology to know what to do with it, we are way too rich compared to what we know what to do with

You got that part right.

Since the time of Ahdam and Eve, Man has never actually gotten it right and is now aiming to an even worse Fall, but at least has ore than sufficient resources to accomplish it..
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think.
The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives.
It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost".
As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated.

Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe.
Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise.

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Re: Collapsed Modern Civilizations And Global Annihilation

Postby 0belafekete0 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:28 am

James S Saint wrote:
nameta9 wrote:The problem is that there is no "New Model". Who says the problems rotate around "Resource Scarcity myths" like Peak Oil or Peak Wealth ? Who can be so sure ? I have often declared that the problem is the exact opposite: we have way too much Money, Wealth, Technology to know what to do with it, we are way too rich compared to what we know what to do with

You got that part right.

Since the time of Ahdam and Eve, Man has never actually gotten it right and is now aiming to an even worse Fall, but at least has ore than sufficient resources to accomplish it..
is there a forgone conclusion of imminent implosion? ----existentially we have lost the essential elements between the intentionality heidegger assigns to a Being, whose nemesis "nothingness" describes the existential predicament of man's consciousness$ It seems as above suggested, that models have failed. I suggest that not that these models failed, some are archytypical, and have eternal ,ideal ontological standing. Its just that they have been misplaced into the realm of psychoanalysis, mythology, and folklore. The model to come have to gain three dimensionality, away from the one dimensional man---that has been reduced. By a conscious two fold method. One a simplistic linguistic-mathematical pragmatism, and second by an existential analysis which has applicability in people like Bingswanger and Rollo May. The model has become a shallow analysis of the simplified Platonic cave, from which as Nietzche pointed out, we get stared back from if we dare to look into it. So what's the adive? Overcoming by a strength of will. Heidegger's intentionality is also a play with shades of meaning, but, it leaves the model too anthropomorphic, and hence leading to a cognitive reduction of a political expediency. The only way to salvage this predicament is to go back to the essential structures still there but hidden. The hiddenness is like the zen poem, its so obvious that it hides only enigma of the question. It disattaches the meaning from the usage, and hence it creates the pathos underlying it. Its meaning. Light it's true meaning when its detached both from usage, and its original a apprehension. Very generally a kind of paradise regained, nothing we will work, to save the original model. This is not nothingness, and not even an intentional act, but a necessary, eternal return. The new man----has to come, to be invented, and utilized. Its the super super consciousness, with utilization of natural limits, to growth, social planning, and capital accumiation. .
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