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Europe?
Typist wrote:Europe?
A goner...
We might recall that Europe sucked the world in to crisis repeatedly throughout the 20th century. It looks like the next installment is on it's way.
To be fair, with trillion dollar deficits now routine, we in the U.S. seem rushing to catch up.
Magsj wrote:I met a guy who abhorred all authority figures but he was lovely ergo.. the two can go together.
SIATD v2 wrote:Yet, because you are flooded with nationalistic propaganda, you blame Europeans for the debt crisis. Assholes, every one of you...
Magsj wrote:I met a guy who abhorred all authority figures but he was lovely ergo.. the two can go together.
Typist wrote:SIATD v2 wrote:Yet, because you are flooded with nationalistic propaganda, you blame Europeans for the debt crisis. Assholes, every one of you...
I don't dispute that there are plenty of assholes in attendance every where one goes, and that I can be one of them. What this has to do with the thread is less clear.
The documented historical fact is that the 20th century was characterized by a series of huge problems arising out of European culture.
The next documented fact is that the 20th century ended just a dozen years ago. Thus, it's fairly reasonable to wonder if Europe is about to hand us yet another global crisis.
It's true the U.S is on a reckless financial course. We seem to have learned little from the recent financial meltdown. In that sense, we truly are assholes as a nation.
However, the U.S. financial union is not currently on the edge of dissolving. We don't currently face the threat of a domino collapse of one state after another. We may be setting the stage for all this here, but we aren't there yet, as Europe almost is.
Magsj wrote:I met a guy who abhorred all authority figures but he was lovely ergo.. the two can go together.
Now we try to accumulate money so that we can feel comfortable that we'll always be able to buy food, and as such focus on expanding the money supply to the greatest degree possible as though that somehow means more people will get fed.
It has nothing to do with Europe or the US or Japan or wherever because we're pretty much all in the same boat.
If anything, it is Wall Street that is responsible for the controlled demolition of the Euro, so as to keep the dollar afloat.
I can't wait to see you qualify this remark.
Typist wrote:I can't wait to see you qualify this remark.
I can't wait to find a thread where I don't have to. Sigh...
Perhaps you've heard of WWI, WWII and the cold war? If Europe hadn't been acting like Europe, none of this would have happened.
Please react to this with any hysterical anti-Americanism that pleases you.
James S Saint wrote:Haha..Having read no more than that one post in this thread, I thought, "He must be replying to SIATD"
James S Saint wrote:Typist wrote:I can't wait to see you qualify this remark.
I can't wait to find a thread where I don't have to. Sigh...
Perhaps you've heard of WWI, WWII and the cold war? If Europe hadn't been acting like Europe, none of this would have happened.
Please react to this with any hysterical anti-Americanism that pleases you.
Haha..
Having read no more than that one post in this thread, I thought, "He must be replying to SIATD"
Magsj wrote:I met a guy who abhorred all authority figures but he was lovely ergo.. the two can go together.
SIATD v2 wrote:Oh look, another Yank has turned up to say something smug. I am surprised.
Typist wrote:I can't wait to see you qualify this remark.
I can't wait to find a thread where I don't have to. Sigh...
Perhaps you've heard of WWI, WWII and the cold war? If Europe hadn't been acting like Europe, none of this would have happened.
Please react to this with any hysterical anti-Americanism that pleases you.
Typist wrote:Imho, the problem is deeper than that. As evidence I would offer that most of the people in the developed world (where these financial problems are erupting) have never been hungry a day in their life. We take food and other basic survival needs largely for granted.
The consumer culture which dominates these economies is largely about stuff that we don't really need, ipods and such. A couple of billion people across the developed world spend their entire lives working at jobs they don't like, in order to buy things that they mostly don't need. This speaks to some kind of deeper psychological malfunction.
A real world example. The peak of my business career and my Dad's retirement happened at the same time. During those years, my bank account, house and car were all worth approximately 100x that of my Dad, whose life was clean and safe, but quite modest.
There was no observable difference between his happiness and mine. But of course that didn't stop me from trying to build an ever bigger pile of cash and stuff etc. If I had instead chosen to live like my Dad, I probably would never had needed to work again. But, being your typical modern citizen, I jumped back on the merry-go-round.
It has nothing to do with Europe or the US or Japan or wherever because we're pretty much all in the same boat.
Ok, I could go along with this.
If anything, it is Wall Street that is responsible for the controlled demolition of the Euro, so as to keep the dollar afloat.
I don't know about this, but wouldn't dispute it. It's true that Wallstreet is completely out of control, and has nobody's interests at heart except it's own. What's strange is that we STILL let them roll the dice with our entire civilization. We seem to be very, very dense.
I'm not sure most of us really realize how quickly a financial collapse can turn in to yet another world war. When people's backs are against the wall, literally anything can happen.
Perhaps the WallStreet types think they are immune from such consequences, and that would have been true in the past, but most likely isn't now. The dogs of war are MUCH bigger than they were the last time we almost demolished all of western civilization.
Sorry for the gloom and doom, but knowing all this could be just around the corner does tend to focus the mind.
Magsj wrote:I met a guy who abhorred all authority figures but he was lovely ergo.. the two can go together.
Typist wrote:SIATD v2 wrote:Oh look, another Yank has turned up to say something smug. I am surprised.
And even though you are probably not a Yank, you seem to be keeping up in this smugness arms race. Perhaps the Europeans can defend themselves after all??? HELP, my whole smug condescending thesis is going up in smoke!!
Magsj wrote:I met a guy who abhorred all authority figures but he was lovely ergo.. the two can go together.
SIATD v2 wrote: I just can't stand the hypocrisy of Americans blaming Europeans for causing global crises.
Typist wrote:SIATD v2 wrote: I just can't stand the hypocrisy of Americans blaming Europeans for causing global crises.
Oh whoa is you, who cares?
Magsj wrote:I met a guy who abhorred all authority figures but he was lovely ergo.. the two can go together.
The problem for you is that you now have two options - respond again and confirm that you do in fact care, or don't respond in a display of how little you care, which in reality also confirms that you do in fact care...
It's in your own interests as Americans to admit this, comes to terms with it, and do something about it.
Typist wrote:It would be in our interests as Americans to focus on America, but you guys keep sucking us in to your big messes. Americans didn't start WWI. Americans didn't start WWII. America would have disarmed after WWII, like we did after WWI, and there would have been no cold war, except that you Euros weren't done with the conflict yet.
It's the same thing, time and time again. Remember Bosnia, genocide within the borders of Europe, going on for years? And what did Euros do? Waited for the Big Brother Yanks to come and clean it up for them. Whereupon we are called imperialist warmongers.
How about Libya? Europeans want to take the lead for once, which is great, except that they can't even conduct a little air war just across the Med, so once again we have to pull the weight.
You don't mind at all when we repeatedly spend lives and money on defending YOUR freedom, but when we try to do exactly the same thing for anybody but you, then we are declared cowboy imperialist warmonger etc etc.
I propose that what you don't like about Americans is that we are smart enough not to buy the silly lies Europeans tell themselves, and we're stupid enough to say it out loud.
Look, there's exactly zero chance either of us are going to change our minds on any of this, so I suggest we declare this war over and move on. All we can accomplish at this point is to bore the other readers to tears. If you wish to declare victory, I have no objection.
Magsj wrote:I met a guy who abhorred all authority figures but he was lovely ergo.. the two can go together.
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