## Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychology?

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## Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychology?

Economics can explain more than sociology and more than psychology.
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Economics can explain more than psychology but not more than sociology.
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Economics can explain just as much as sociology and psychology.
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Economics can explain just as much as sociology.
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Economics can explain just as much as psychology.
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Economics can merely explain less than sociology and less than psychology.
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### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

CelineK wrote:

planet broken beyond repair... stable financial system??

If you ask me, then I answer you that the said financial system of Bretton Woods ended 1971, exactly on 15 August 1971 when Nixon relinquished the gold backing of the US Dollar. (And by the way: Keynes said during the Bretton Woods monetary conference that he wanted to relinquish the gold backing, but he meant the gold backing of the British Pound [ ], and had no success, because the USA dominated the Bretton Woods monetary conference, so the gold standard was set at $35.00 an ounce, as you can see it on the table above.) Since the 15th of August 1971 the gold price and a phantom system of expectations of expectations have been exploding. Of course: it is an instable financial system, probably the most instable financial system of all times. Note: The 15th of August is also a Christian holiday, a Christian holy day: Assumption of Mary. Richard Nixon in 1971 (!): Arminius ILP Legend Posts: 5732 Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol CelineK wrote: Eric_The_Pipe wrote:I see many problems with Keynesian Economics, but I'll point out that even the Keynesians don't go along with everything he said any more... "We are none of us Keynesian any more." -Milton Friedman. Inflation is one of the easiest ways to raise taxes without having to ask for permission... And that is just the tip... refreshing to see somebody on here who can understand the pitfalls of Keynesianism. On here or elsewhere. I find discussing economics with people who cannot comprehend 'inflation' (hidden tax, sure) nerve raking, to be honest, and considering what awaits the planet around the corner. Never read friedman, just aware of his reputation, but von mise, hayek, rothbard, I've quite enjoyed the Hayek reading I've done, the fatal conceit being my favorite, and I need to do more Mises, and Rothbard. Friedman is sorta a student of them, though in a "idea whos time has come" sorta way. His papers destroying the theories of the great depression being fixed by the new deal are great... Mostly, though, I like his "Free to Choose" TV show. You can find examples of it on the Youtube. Its fun to watch (if you like that sort of thing). “Give a man a fish and he will ask for tartar sauce and French fries! Moreover, some politician who wants his vote will declare all these things to be among his ‘basic rights’” – An old saying rewritten by a follower of Thomas Sowell "It's true that the bastards would win. But we shouldn't shut down a system just because the bastards win. A good system should be like a hamster wheel for bastards hooked up an electric generator. A well designed system is not one that prevents bastards from winning, but one that generates a lot of positive externalities from bastards trying to beat each other. And that's exactly what markets do. Markets entice bastards, they reward bastards, and the bastards love them, but as they operate they generate a lot of good that inadvertently benefits everyone else." - Carleas The Newest EconPop: Economics of Demolition Man The man, Thomas Sowell: Wealth, Poverty and Politics Sowell's Writing Eric_The_Pipe Thinker Posts: 735 Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:06 pm Location: Colorado ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol Arminius wrote: Eric_The_Pipe wrote:I see many problems with Keynesian Economics, but I'll point out that even the Keynesians don't go along with everything he said any more... "We are none of us Keynesian any more." -Milton Friedman. Inflation is one of the easiest ways to raise taxes without having to ask for permission... And that is just the tip... Yes, but I remind you of the historical fact that Keynes was not the absolute winner of the Bretton Woods monetary conference. So the Bretton Woods system does not merely mean Keynesianism. Sure, many things are given to "his system" that he would never actually go along with. There are even interviews with Hayek, were he mentions that Keynes was "coming over to the other side of thinking." Either way, it is the Keynesian system by terminology, though I suppose neo-classicists is the new name... I stand with much of the problems with Keynesian Economics comes from a math basis. Things that work well on paper, theoretically, but don't make much sense when put into practice empirically. It takes training in Economics to beat this into a persons head. (Or at least some good critical thinking classes, if I'm being generous to other fields.) Also, a gold standard is stupid. (Simply put, it is an arbitrary set value that accomplishes little.) Note that the 35 an ounce has long sense been blown out of the water... Bottom line: Government cannot mandate success, it can only mandate failure, all the little economic tricks people pretend are going to accomplish something come down to passing the failure to someone they don't like politically. “Give a man a fish and he will ask for tartar sauce and French fries! Moreover, some politician who wants his vote will declare all these things to be among his ‘basic rights’” – An old saying rewritten by a follower of Thomas Sowell "It's true that the bastards would win. But we shouldn't shut down a system just because the bastards win. A good system should be like a hamster wheel for bastards hooked up an electric generator. A well designed system is not one that prevents bastards from winning, but one that generates a lot of positive externalities from bastards trying to beat each other. And that's exactly what markets do. Markets entice bastards, they reward bastards, and the bastards love them, but as they operate they generate a lot of good that inadvertently benefits everyone else." - Carleas The Newest EconPop: Economics of Demolition Man The man, Thomas Sowell: Wealth, Poverty and Politics Sowell's Writing Eric_The_Pipe Thinker Posts: 735 Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:06 pm Location: Colorado ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol Arminius wrote:- Markets are never really "free". - Globalism means that the global banks / corporations (super-organisms) dominate and blackmail the states (nations). - Unregulated competition leads to the plunder of all resources, especially of all human resources. - This leads to the situation that all acquirable resources of this planet are owned by very few persons or super-organisms. Arminius ILP Legend Posts: 5732 Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol Arminius wrote:Combine the human's fight against nature (exploitation of nature) with the techno-creditism, and you will get the reasons for the huge chaos in the future, regardless whether the "Olduvai Theory" is false or not. Arminius ILP Legend Posts: 5732 Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol Banks and corporations are super-organisms. Since the occidental - thus industrial - modernity these super-organisms have been becoming the dominating super-organisms, and since at least the beginning of the globalism they have been dominating the older super-organisms like the churches or the states. This implies that since then the newer super-organisms have been blackmailing the older super-organisms more and more. One of the symptoms that have been increasing since then is the female part of the human resources as a commons (compare: the tragedy of the commons). Arminius ILP Legend Posts: 5732 Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol Arminius wrote:Banks and corporations are super-organisms. Since the occidental - thus industrial - modernity these super-organisms have been becoming the dominating super-organisms, and since at least the beginning of the globalism they have been dominating the older super-organisms like the churches or the states. This implies that since then the newer super-organisms have been blackmailing the older super-organisms more and more. One of the symptoms that have been increasing since then is the female part of the human resources as a commons (compare: the tragedy of the commons). This isn't an issue of the organism, but the commodity that the organism is using. Banks and corporations involved in basic resources have a leverage advantage over others, not because they are better or wiser, but merely because of their particular business. No matter how much of an idiot, if he controls the monetary resources, he has power over nations. That is what usury is all about - mindless, soulless power. Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony Else From THIS age of sleep, Homo-sapien shall never awake. The Wise gather together to help one another in EVERY aspect of living. You are always more insecure than you think, just not by what you think. The only absolute certainty is formed by the absolute lack of alternatives. It is not merely "do what works", but "to accomplish what purpose in what time frame at what cost". As long as the authority is secretive, the population will be subjugated. Amid the lack of certainty, put faith in the wiser to believe. Devil's Motto: Make it look good, safe, innocent, and wise.. until it is too late to choose otherwise. The Real God ≡ The reason/cause for the Universe being what it is = "The situation cannot be what it is and also remain as it is". . James S Saint ILP Legend Posts: 25976 Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:05 pm ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol James S Saint wrote: Arminius wrote:Banks and corporations are super-organisms. Since the occidental - thus industrial - modernity these super-organisms have been becoming the dominating super-organisms, and since at least the beginning of the globalism they have been dominating the older super-organisms like the churches or the states. This implies that since then the newer super-organisms have been blackmailing the older super-organisms more and more. One of the symptoms that have been increasing since then is the female part of the human resources as a commons (compare: the tragedy of the commons). This isn't an issue of the organism, but the commodity that the organism is using. Banks and corporations involved in basic resources have a leverage advantage over others, not because they are better or wiser, but merely because of their particular business. No matter how much of an idiot, if he controls the monetary resources, he has power over nations. That is what usury is all about - mindless, soulless power. Agreed. If one cell of a living being (or a human being as a "cell" of a super-organism) does not work rightly, then it will almost certainly not cause the death of that living being. But if the living being (like a super-organism) as a whole does not work rightly, then this living being as a whole will almost certainly die soon, so each cell of that living being (like each human being of a super-organism) too. Arminius ILP Legend Posts: 5732 Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol Arminius wrote:Banks and corporations are super-organisms. Since the occidental - thus industrial - modernity these super-organisms have been becoming the dominating super-organisms, and since at least the beginning of the globalism they have been dominating the older super-organisms like the churches or the states. This implies that since then the newer super-organisms have been blackmailing the older super-organisms more and more. One of the symptoms that have been increasing since then is the female part of the human resources as a commons (compare: the tragedy of the commons). Banks and secret societies in the secular human world have taken over the role of the church from civilization's ancient past. Civilization is a ship of fools headed to a one way destination of catastrophe and annihilation, its many captains populated by asshole-idiots that all agree it is unsinkable. Mictlantecuhtli Nihilistic Mystic And Hermit Posts: 7202 Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:31 am Location: Concrete Wilderness. ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol HaHaHa wrote: Arminius wrote:Banks and corporations are super-organisms. Since the occidental - thus industrial - modernity these super-organisms have been becoming the dominating super-organisms, and since at least the beginning of the globalism they have been dominating the older super-organisms like the churches or the states. This implies that since then the newer super-organisms have been blackmailing the older super-organisms more and more. One of the symptoms that have been increasing since then is the female part of the human resources as a commons (compare: the tragedy of the commons). Banks and secret societies in the secular human world have taken over the role of the church from civilization's ancient past. The church is a super-organism too, but if one compares it with the current super-organisms - one of them can buy and has bought almost all states of this planet - and take the money or monetary assets as a comparison, then one has to say: "the church is merely a small super-organism". Arminius ILP Legend Posts: 5732 Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol Arminius wrote: HaHaHa wrote: Arminius wrote:Banks and corporations are super-organisms. Since the occidental - thus industrial - modernity these super-organisms have been becoming the dominating super-organisms, and since at least the beginning of the globalism they have been dominating the older super-organisms like the churches or the states. This implies that since then the newer super-organisms have been blackmailing the older super-organisms more and more. One of the symptoms that have been increasing since then is the female part of the human resources as a commons (compare: the tragedy of the commons). Banks and secret societies in the secular human world have taken over the role of the church from civilization's ancient past. The church is a super-organism too, but if one compares it with the current super-organisms - one of them can buy and has bought almost all states of this planet - and take the money or monetary assets as a comparison, then one has to say: "the church is merely a small super-organism". Well, before the rise of today's secular banks we must remember historically that in years past the church as a political entity once dominated banks. Think of the past role of the Catholic Church for instance. Civilization is a ship of fools headed to a one way destination of catastrophe and annihilation, its many captains populated by asshole-idiots that all agree it is unsinkable. Mictlantecuhtli Nihilistic Mystic And Hermit Posts: 7202 Joined: Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:31 am Location: Concrete Wilderness. ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol Yes, of course. Arminius ILP Legend Posts: 5732 Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol An ethical question: Do you think that dominating banks is good or evil? Arminius ILP Legend Posts: 5732 Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol Ethical question?? no i dont think so, the idea of "dominating and managing anybody's life" is immoral/evil to start with. after having put all the european countries in deep red ink, ECB blows €400billion on 'Brexit Black Friday' bank bailouts... and who is paying for this: taxpayers/consumers who will see their purchasing power going down even more. Arminius wrote:An ethical question: Do you think that dominating banks is good or evil? The Laws Of Light, Emotions And Sexuality. http://www.celinek.net The time has come in the history of man's journey from his material jungle to his spiritual mountain top when it is imperative that he must live more and more in the cosmic Light universe of knowing, and less in the electric wave universe of sensing -- Walter Russell. ============================================================= A Money-Free Society Is Now Reality! The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth and not to fall under the will or legislative authority of man but only have the law of nature (immutable principles) for his rule. Samuel Adams. -- http://www.earthcustodians.net CelineK Posts: 477 Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:37 pm Location: No Man's Land In A Money-Free Wold ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol alas, they have been in bed since day one HaHaHa wrote:Well, before the rise of today's secular banks we must remember historically that in years past the church as a political entity once dominated banks. Think of the past role of the Catholic Church for instance. The Laws Of Light, Emotions And Sexuality. http://www.celinek.net The time has come in the history of man's journey from his material jungle to his spiritual mountain top when it is imperative that he must live more and more in the cosmic Light universe of knowing, and less in the electric wave universe of sensing -- Walter Russell. ============================================================= A Money-Free Society Is Now Reality! The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth and not to fall under the will or legislative authority of man but only have the law of nature (immutable principles) for his rule. Samuel Adams. -- http://www.earthcustodians.net CelineK Posts: 477 Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:37 pm Location: No Man's Land In A Money-Free Wold ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol CelineK wrote:Ethical question?? no i dont think so, the idea of "dominating and managing anybody's life" is immoral/evil to start with. To start with? This thread consists of three pages resp. 66 posts. CelineK wrote:after having put all the european countries in deep red ink, ECB blows €400billion on 'Brexit Black Friday' bank bailouts... and who is paying for this .... Who is paying for this? The German taxpayers - as always. Arminius ILP Legend Posts: 5732 Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol what I meant is that fighting back will has never worked and never will, today there more slaves than any time in history, mostly economic slaves. But I digress, it always has economic purposes. to break through this impasse, we just have to watch it go down and not sustaining it by whatever means then restarting it from scratch with brand new dynamics. But most would rather entertain the delusion that it can be fixed. And "they" know that most do not have the courage, so they remain in charge of the controlled chaos. impossible to address a perception with violence/coercion/domination. The Laws Of Light, Emotions And Sexuality. http://www.celinek.net The time has come in the history of man's journey from his material jungle to his spiritual mountain top when it is imperative that he must live more and more in the cosmic Light universe of knowing, and less in the electric wave universe of sensing -- Walter Russell. ============================================================= A Money-Free Society Is Now Reality! The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth and not to fall under the will or legislative authority of man but only have the law of nature (immutable principles) for his rule. Samuel Adams. -- http://www.earthcustodians.net CelineK Posts: 477 Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:37 pm Location: No Man's Land In A Money-Free Wold ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol Do I understand you rightly when I say that you are speaking for doing nothing? Arminius ILP Legend Posts: 5732 Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol I would say that yes, economics is instrumental in determining reality. Psychology is the reaction to economics, because economics defines how people can expect to exist in the future, thereby determining their psychological constitution on a day to day basis. Any status-economy requires division, so already there's explanation for frictions and regular expressions of violence (media violence, riots, homicides, terrorism, etc etc). Thus the root problem is the existence of status, and the needs of status. Economics is to serve status (territorial greed). Therefore to avoid the problem, economics itself has to be fundamentally averted (which is to say that any kind of status-economy needs to be abolished). Housing, healthcare, education and food and beverage all must be free, however to compensate for this freedom the entire condition of civilisation needs to be changed - all kinds of social circles have to be ended, as do all kinds of individual identity. shellytrokan Posts: 421 Joined: Sat Jun 25, 2016 6:37 pm ### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol I am all for for doing something, but here is 2 quotes that I have mastered since about a while: Action and reaction are equal and opposite, and are expressed simultaneously. Sequentially they are repeated in reverse, the reaction becoming the action and the action the reaction -- Walter Russell Action has meaning only in relationship, and without understanding relationship, action on any level will only breed conflict. The understanding of relationship is infinitely more important than the search for any plan of action -- Jiddu Krishnamurti then we have this.... America’s '$1 Trillion Nuclear Weapons Plan'. Take out Russia, Iran and North Korea? http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-doomsd ... an/5534549

Doing nothing? how about to let it go, watch the system sink, withdraw our support in any fashion? Scary, right... but so is the fear of freedom which is the fear of possible chaos. There will be chaos, but I choose the creative one.

Arminius wrote:Do I understand you rightly when I say that you are speaking for doing nothing?
The Laws Of Light, Emotions And Sexuality. http://www.celinek.net The time has come in the history of man's journey from his material jungle to his spiritual mountain top when it is imperative that he must live more and more in the cosmic Light universe of knowing, and less in the electric wave universe of sensing -- Walter Russell.
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A Money-Free Society Is Now Reality! The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth and not to fall under the will or legislative authority of man but only have the law of nature (immutable principles) for his rule. Samuel Adams. -- http://www.earthcustodians.net

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### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Arminius wrote:Who is paying for this? The German taxpayers - as always.

well europe already suffers from inflation, inflation is a tax on the purchasing power, so anyone/european using the currency is paying.
The Laws Of Light, Emotions And Sexuality. http://www.celinek.net The time has come in the history of man's journey from his material jungle to his spiritual mountain top when it is imperative that he must live more and more in the cosmic Light universe of knowing, and less in the electric wave universe of sensing -- Walter Russell.
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A Money-Free Society Is Now Reality! The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth and not to fall under the will or legislative authority of man but only have the law of nature (immutable principles) for his rule. Samuel Adams. -- http://www.earthcustodians.net

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### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

CelineK wrote:
Arminius wrote:Who is paying for this? The German taxpayers - as always.

well europe already suffers from inflation ...

Europe has the lowest Inflation.

CelineK wrote:...inflation is a tax on the purchasing power, so anyone/european using the currency is paying.

Economically, inflation means a sustained increase in the general price level of goods and services in an economy over a period of time. Inflation reflects a reduction in the purchasing power per unit of money.

The following map shows the inflation rates around the world in 2013, per International Monetary Fund:

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Martin Armstrong wrote:The Euro on the Brink of Disaster.

We are looking at the collapse of Europe unfold much faster than anyone suspected. I have been warning that the Continental EU banks are in serious trouble. The negative interest rates have devastated Europe. While trying to stimulate borrowers who are not interested without an opportunity to make money, the ECB has wiped out savers, pensions, and sent cash into hiding contracting the European economy – not stimulating it. I have also warned that it is the EURO which is in serious trouble and that BREXIT was the only way to save Britain from being dragged down under as the Euro sinks.

The Italian banks are collapsing and the crisis is now risking bringing down the Italian government. If they do not bailout the banks, the people will be in revolution. If they bailout the banks, they can only print Euros. The is starting to illustrate what I have been warning about. The EURO is in effect like a gold standard. When crisis hit, everyone had to suspend the gold standard for World Wars I and II and then upon the fall of Bretton Woods. The currencies were tied to gold which they could not increase its supply. This is the same crisis now with the EURO. Despite the EURO is really just electronic/paper, its quantity is still fixed by the EU membership. No single member state can just increase its supply unilaterally. That would be like trying to maintain a gold standard and one nation revalued its gold to three times that of what everyone else uses. That becomes impossible. The Silver Democrats nearly caused the bankruptcy of the USA for overvaluing silver relative to the world in the 19th century.

This is why the euro CANNOT SURVIVE. You have sovereign states with their own crisis and that demand measures separate and distinct from other members. This is how the euro system will break. It is extremely urgent that you understand the crisis ahead. This is what will send capital fleeing into the dollar. True, some will buy gold. That is generally retail investors. Pension funds and institutional investors will buy US government bonds, dollars and park them at the Fed, or jump in with both feet into the US stock market.

By the time this mess comes unraveled, we will see the world completely change. We are probably looking at a major world monetary reform come as early as 2018. The speed with which this is unfolding is rather incredible.

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### Re: Can economics explain more than sociology or/and psychol

Arminius wrote:
Otto_West wrote:I am looking forward to the collapse of the American empire at this point, it is the only thing to be hopeful for. There is no reforming or salvaging this decadent corrupt government.

The ticking time bomb is the demographic development - which is negative on the White side and positive on the Non-White side.

And we know that all the immigration to Europe is kicked off and organited by the USA as the main state vassal of the globalists and by certain non-governmental organizations as the main non-state vassals of the globalists.

The enemy is Germany (again; two world wars are obviously not enough; cf.: "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam“ - Cato the Elder), regardless whether it is a member of the same military alliance or not. They try to weaken Germany and to drive a wedge between Germany and the other EU members. The EU itself is such a wedge. The Euro too. They want the German wealth, the German money, the Germoney. This war is a huge economical war and the globalists and their US politicians do not care about the fact that Germany is a member of the NATO. Quite the contrary: Germany and Russia as a possible alliance has always been being the globalists' and their US politicians' fear, at least according to George Friedman:

- http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=geo ... ORM=VRDGAR .
Note the title: "Stratfor: The US Main Interest is to Stop Alliance Between Russia and Germany". To STOP? To stop WHAT? An "Alliance Between Russia and Germany"? There is not such an "alliance"! There is only the absolutely unfounded "fear" of it!
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And by the way:
It would be very much more understandable if the Germans had the fear of an alliance between USA and Russia! There was such an alliance in both the first and the second world war!
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Again:
Remember what Cato the Elder (234-149) said before the third Punic war (149-146): "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam“ ("Besides, I am of the opinion that Carthage must be destroyed"). There was no real "reason", no "alliance", but only the Romans' absolutely unfounded "fear" of Carthage!

And then (146 B.C.):

- http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=geo ... ORM=VDRVRV .

Everything George Soros doesn't want you to know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmMw9aM ... 276.555104 .

James S Saint wrote:.

I have been saying it for a long time: Antifa, even the Russian Antifa, is a paid terrorist group.

And I still wonder how many ILP members are paid trolls.

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Imagine that the situation in the USA has become unbearable and someone says to you: "Go back to Europe, since you can do it, because you are of European origin!“

1) Would you agree?
2) Would you go?

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